MrNYYNYGNYK wrote:GMs and coaches saw that Winslow is not 6'6 and closer to 6'4 so he's really between a 2 and 3! Barkley was listed as 6'6 and was shorter but Barkley was a freak of nature! Winslow may become a star but players drop in the draft all time for various reasons...
No he is closer to 6'6'' in shoes which is why he is listed at 6'6''. Nobody cares how tall a player is without their shoes on considering they don't play without their shoes on. 6'4.5'' without shoes, 6'5.5'' with shoes.
It was a perfect storm for Winslow to drop, doesn't knock him as a prospect at all. He should have went top 5, top 8 at the latest, but the Euros (one of which is just a bunch of potential right now) rising and the Kings drafting for need, which caused Mudiay to fall, and then SVG being stupid and MJ doing his annual dumpster fire routine in the draft caused Winslow to fall. I really don't see how it's any knock on him. Phil Jackson took the player with the most upside in the draft (and biggest risk), the Magic needed shooting and offense more than another versatile defensive wing so they took Hezonja, the Kings had to take Mudiay just like the Heat had to take Winslow, SVG as usual is a bad judge of talent, and MJ's track record in the draft speaks for itself even though in this case it's more understandable since there is overlap with MKG and Winslow, but Winslow is still a better version of MKG, if for nothing else than because he shoots better.
Years90Suns wrote:I have not seen anything special in Winslow yet.
6-5, may be, no shooting range, no good handling (or any handling)..
Yes, he is a gressive, he is a fighter, he plays defense... but, come on, he will be just a good role player in a very good scenario.
Kaminsky could be a burst, but he has many more tools than Winslow to be a good player, even a second echelon star player in this league. He is 7 or 7-1, has a long reach, can shoot, can play inside out, is intelligent (not as Winslow) and can play at least two positions.
There is no one thing specifically he does special. What's special about him is that he already does everything other than shoot midrange jumpers well at 19 and can still improve on all of those skills, on top of becoming a better off the dribble shooter. That would project him as an all around two way player in the mold of PG, Kawhi, Butler, Grant Hill, Pippen, Kobe, etc. Those guys run the league. Whether he will be able to fine tune his skills like the aforementioned were able to is another question, but the point is that he has the base and all the prerequisite tools that can't be taught to do it, and given his work ethic which has been reported to be on the same level as the great ones (and showed on the court considering he went from being a non-shooter in high school to 42% from 3 in college just one year later) I wouldn't bet against him.
He is about 6'5.5'', which can be rounded up to 6'6''. Not a big deal. Most guys aren't their listed heights. 42% from 3 says different. Not being a good shooter off the dribble and being a bad shooter in general are two different things. He showed in college he can be a spot up shooter and hit open shots when he has his feat set. He was in the 92nd percentile when unguarded. His shot is not broken like MKG's and some other guys who come out. He has good form and base and a nice high release, he just has an inconsistent hitch and isn't comfortable shooting off the dribble. Things that are some of the most fixable issues in the game and he's only 19.
To say he has no good handling or no handling at all, is pretty much saying you have never even seen him play. Or maybe you've only seen little bits of him or something and look at the way he dribbles and think he has no handles. His handles are fine. They may not be the prettiest and he isn't Harden or Curry but neither is LeBron and he makes it work. Winslow is the same way and his handles will only get better as he, you know, handles the ball more. All you have to do to see your statement isn't true is watch him on any fast break after he rebounds the ball, the numerous times he drives to the hole, or carries the ball up the court. If he didn't have handles he'd have a much higher turnover rate and he'd look comical in his fast break drives going as fast as he does.
lol Kaminsky having more tools than Winslow. Kaminsky is no where near as explosive or athletic as Winslow, doesn't play defense like Winslow, and while he is versatile for a big man he naturally isn't as versatile as a versatile wing like Winslow. You sale Winslow's super short and I can tell you haven't actually watched the kid extensively if you think Kaminsky has more tools than Winslow because he is 7'1'' and can shoot better. All those other traits you listed Winslow literally has them all. And Winslow can play 3 positions, possibly 4 in the future.
There is a reason Winslow was being talked about as a top 5 pick and it's not just because he blew the tourney out, he checks off every single box you want in a modern wing as well as the upside box. Just because he is already solid at multiple facets of the game doesn't mean he won't get better, which he will. GMs and bad teams **** up and if you look at why Winslow dropped it is because the usual suspects in the lottery passed on him and a team known for its winning culture took him. I'd very much bet on teams like the Sixers, Kings, Knicks, Hornets, and a Detroit team that just paid Reggie Jackson $80 million and thought Josh Smith was the answer to their wing problems being wrong as usual than there being a problem with Winslow.
