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Offseason Review: Charlotte Hornets 

Post#1 » by RealGM Articles » Wed Aug 19, 2015 3:08 pm

The Charlotte Hornets fell back last year after a playoff run the prior season. Injuries to Al Jefferson, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and Kemba Walker, among others, and the ill-fated signing of Lance Stephenson were all contributors to the tough season. Gerald Henderson was forced to carry the offense for large chunks of the campaign. That isn’t ideal for a team with playoff aspirations. Despite the tough year, the Hornets hung in the playoff race right up until the final weeks. Ultimately, the injuries were too much to overcome and Charlotte dropped back to the lottery.


The Hornets began a semi-rebuilding process after the season. Stephenson, who should have filled a hole at the shooting guard spot, was traded to the Clippers for Spencer Hawes and Matt Barnes. Hawes will fill a role as a backup big man for Charlotte, but seems a bit redundant with Cody Zeller already on the roster and what transpired at the draft. 


Barnes’ time in Charlotte wasn’t long, as he was sent to Memphis for Luke Ridnour. The Hornets became one of many teams to own Ridnour’s rights at some point this offseason. The Hornets were able to turn Ridnour’s contract into Jeremy Lamb when the Thunder were looking to clear salary and open up roster spots. Lamb will have every chance to show he is worthy of a spot in the league as at least a bench scorer at shooting guard. 


The day before the draft, the Hornets made their next big move. Gerald Henderson and Noah Vonleh, last year’s first round pick, were sent to Portland for Nicolas Batum. Henderson, despite consistent production and growth, seemed to have worn out his welcome with Charlotte. Vonleh was given up on before even getting a chance to show if he can play or not. That is a steep fall after being seen as one of the steals of the 2014 draft. But Charlotte was getting crowded at the PF/C spots. Batum will fill a need as the all-around player the roster was missing. He may be able to fill what the team thought they would get from Stephenson last year. With Kidd-Gilchrist and Batum the Hornets have two very good wing defenders. This is important as Jefferson and Walker are both seen as defensive liabilities. Any help on that end is very welcome. 


Despite being offered a massive overpay from the Boston Celtics when Justise Winslow slid in the draft, Charlotte chose to stay put and use their pick. Many figured they would then use it on Winslow themselves, as he would have been a nice developmental piece behind Batum and Kidd-Gilchrist. Instead the Hornets picked Frank Kaminsky. The shock wasn’t so much in when Kaminsky was drafted, as it was that he was picked by Charlotte. They already have Al Jefferson, Cody Zeller, Spencer Hawes and Marvin Williams who can play PF, C or both. Jefferson and Williams are both expiring contracts, but for a team that just gave up on Noah Vonleh after one year, Kaminsky was a curious pick. Passing on the bounty the Celtics were offering comes with that much more scrutiny. Charlotte traded their second rounder for two future second round picks from Brooklyn. Without a lot of roster spots available, that was solid work to roll the pick over to next year and add an additional pick.


In free agency, the Hornets were able to add Jeremy Lin using the Bi-Annual Exception. Lin will replace Brian Roberts in the rotation, last year’s backup point guard signing. Lin gives the team an offensive spark off the bench and a solid spot starter should injuries hit Kemba Walker again. The team also brought Tyler Hansbrough back to North Carolina. Given all the other players they have at PF/C, this signing doesn’t make a lot of sense. It was for the Veteran Minimum, however, so there is not much risk there. And finally, Aaron Harrison was brought in as a rookie free agent. And Elliot Williams was signed to a partially guaranteed contract. Those two will fight it out for the final roster spot throughout training camp and the preseason. 


Two players, who were both contributors, moved on as free agents. Mo Williams was very good for Charlotte after coming in at the Trade Deadline. Williams wanted to be on a contender and moved on to Cleveland. His production should largely be replaced by Jeremy Lin. Bismack Biyombo also moved on. Biyombo was drafted by Charlotte with great potential. However, his offensive game never developed. He struggled to do anything offensively beyond putbacks and dunks of perfect passes. His hands and touch aren’t good enough at this point to allow him to do anymore on that end of the court. His defense and rebounding are solid enough, but not anything beyond backup level. If Zeller or Kaminsky develop, he won’t be missed. 


Offseason Grade: C-. The Hornets are a bit stuck in the middle. They could finish anywhere from seventh to 14th in the Eastern Conference. They do have future flexibility, as Jefferson, Batum, and Williams are all expiring after this season. Walker is signed to a very reasonable deal. The challenges are that Kidd-Gilchrist and Lamb are both Restricted Free Agents after the season. If both prove worthy of big deals, that starts to eat in to the future flexibility. Despite that, the team has plenty of cap space next year to make additions to their young core. 


This year the picture likely won’t be as pretty. The transactions this offseason made sense as individual moves. But when you add them together, the whole thing gets messy. Passing on all those picks from Boston only makes sense if Kaminsky develops in to a top tier big man. This year, he’ll struggle to find minutes with everyone in front of him. Batum was a nice addition, but how big of an upgrade he’ll be over Henderson remains to be seen. The team still lacks shooting, beyond Walker, and has to hope Lamb can provide that. Troy Daniels may actually see run because of his ability to shoot the ball from distance.


Overall, the Charlotte offseason was lacking. Despite some decent moves, there are still too many question marks up and down the roster. Giving up on Vonleh so quickly in a deal for a player who isn’t a clear upgrade is tough. Draft night heavily influenced the grade also, as passing on the trade with Boston, and drafting Kaminsky who doesn’t fill a need is hard to understand. Charlotte should be in the mix for one of the last playoff spots if all goes right. But if that is your upside, is that a successful season?

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Re: Offseason Review: Charlotte Hornets 

Post#2 » by Winsome Gerbil » Wed Aug 19, 2015 6:31 pm

The team still lacks shooting? How much shooting does a team exactly have to add to quit being accused of that?

Batum sucked last year, but he has been over his career a high volume high 30s percentile 3pt bomber who takes 5 threes a game. Jeremy Lamb's supposed calling card would be his shooting. The Hornets went majorly stretchy with their big men, with Kaminsky and Hawes two of the better 3pt shooters of their size in the league. Even Lin is a solid 3pt shooter, although not a volume guy.

They picked up a lot of guys coming off poor years, but I'm not sure there was a move they made this summer besides picking up Psycho T that wasn't focused on precisely addressing that shooting issue. All of a sudden MKG is the only guy except Big Al and Zeller who is NOT a 3pt shooter.

PG- Walker (3pt shooter)/Lin (3pt shooter)
SG- Batum (3pt shooter)/Lamb (3pt shooter)
SF- Kidd Gilchrist /
PF- Kaminsky (3pt shooter) / Williams (3pt shooter) / Hansbrough
C- Jefferson / Hawes (3pt shooter) / Zeller
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Re: Offseason Review: Charlotte Hornets 

Post#3 » by RollingWave » Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:36 am

Winsome Gerbil wrote:The team still lacks shooting? How much shooting does a team exactly have to add to quit being accused of that?

Batum sucked last year, but he has been over his career a high volume high 30s percentile 3pt bomber who takes 5 threes a game. Jeremy Lamb's supposed calling card would be his shooting. The Hornets went majorly stretchy with their big men, with Kaminsky and Hawes two of the better 3pt shooters of their size in the league. Even Lin is a solid 3pt shooter, although not a volume guy.

They picked up a lot of guys coming off poor years, but I'm not sure there was a move they made this summer besides picking up Psycho T that wasn't focused on precisely addressing that shooting issue. All of a sudden MKG is the only guy except Big Al and Zeller who is NOT a 3pt shooter.

PG- Walker (3pt shooter)/Lin (3pt shooter)
SG- Batum (3pt shooter)/Lamb (3pt shooter)
SF- Kidd Gilchrist /
PF- Kaminsky (3pt shooter) / Williams (3pt shooter) / Hansbrough
C- Jefferson / Hawes (3pt shooter) / Zeller

Ehh Walker is a below average shooter at best, Lin / Batum / Lamb are all average shooters. Kaminsky might have the tools to be a above average shooter but odds of it happening right away isn't great, and Hawes / Marvin were good shooters at various points (but with high variance.)

This would be a decent shooting team like 8 years ago, but the NBA standard of what is a good shooting team has gone up a lot in the last few years. right now the Hornets project to start 3 guys that doesn't shoot (well Jefferson can shoot but he never choose to, Zeller probably could shoot 3s but they don't let him.), 1 guy that shoots poorly, and guy that shoots ok.

This team still won't be good offensively, but they also don't need to be to be a playoff team, because they have pretty convincingly showed that they can defend with the best of them (and they're in the east.) they just need to be better than a bottom 10 offense, still, that is far from a sure thing.

I think they probably should consider playing small to be honest, i'm not entirely sure it would work but assuming they can defend with almost any MKG lineups then wouldn't it be a good idea to just go as small as possible?

punting on Vonleh is a bit weird and would look bad either way (if he doesn't develop, then you drafted poorly to began with, if he does develop, then you look even worse especially if you can't keep batum.) the non-trade was weird but i think most people seem to ignore the difficulty of making decisions on a very limited clock.
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Re: Offseason Review: Charlotte Hornets 

Post#4 » by Hornet Mania » Thu Aug 20, 2015 5:22 pm

A fair analysis. I wish we had stayed the course and built around the young guys instead of going all-in to be playoff fodder, but it is what it is at this point. Team is improved but not markedly so, if MJ doesn't see a big leap I think our coach and GM will both be on the way out. Those two are fighting for their lives in 15-16.
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Post#5 » by Rashidi » Thu Aug 20, 2015 6:38 pm

This article and grade are terrible.

Boston offered CRAP 1st round picks in SUBSEQUENT years for the 9th. Trading the 9th pick for a bunch of future picks in the 20s (which only get worse as BOS gets better) is hardly a no-brainer, and CHA made the right decision; choosing the most NBA-ready player who just so-happened to fit a glaring team need.

Batum is everything Stephenson was supposed to be, except he won't kill the team's spacing next to MKG. He is an upgrade over Henderson, while Lamb is a solid addition to the bench.

I like Biyombo but he wasn't a great fit, as he couldn't really be played next to Jefferson/Zeller without causing spacing issues. Kaminsky's shooting should push Zeller to the bench, where he'll have space to operate in the post next to Hawes.

Zeller's post production (the majority of his offense) has been dreadful playing next to Jefferson. Vonleh wouldn't have been much different and the one with more trade value was dealt for Batum.

Lin is just as good as Mo Williams, except younger and the team won't give up as much size when they play him at SG next to Kemba.

The team is better, made a solid draft pick (who killed in summer league), and didn't give out any bad contracts, but yeah, sure, C-.
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Re: Offseason Review: Charlotte Hornets 

Post#6 » by HotelVitale » Thu Aug 20, 2015 9:34 pm

Rashidi wrote:This article and grade are terrible. Boston offered CRAP 1st round picks in SUBSEQUENT years for the 9th. Trading the 9th pick for a bunch of future picks in the 20s (which only get worse as BOS gets better) is hardly a no-brainer, and CHA made the right decision; choosing the most NBA-ready player who just so-happened to fit a glaring team need.


Slow down there. According to multiple sources, the offer including this 16th pick this year and the DAL pick next year, which should be in the teens as well. Rumors aren't clear beyond that, but that's at least two picks in the teens.

There's a chance Kaminsky will end up being worth it but the bet on him was for much more than a couple picks in the late 20s. It was a legit huge gamble on Kaminsky that seems like a stretch now. Plus there's the fact that Kaminsky--as-a-slower-than-average 3pt shooting big--offers the same strengths and weaknesses as Hawes. It's very possible that Kaminsky ends up being significantly better than Hawes but it's no sure thing; and considering they could've had Hawes and Winslow or Hawes and a bunch of picks, the move seems somewhere between questionable and risky.
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Post#7 » by RollingWave » Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:29 am

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Slow down there. According to multiple sources, the offer including this 16th pick this year and the DAL pick next year, which should be in the teens as well. Rumors aren't clear beyond that, but that's at least two picks in the teens.

There's a chance Kaminsky will end up being worth it but the bet on him was for much more than a couple picks in the late 20s. It was a legit huge gamble on Kaminsky that seems like a stretch now. Plus there's the fact that Kaminsky--as-a-slower-than-average 3pt shooting big--offers the same strengths and weaknesses as Hawes. It's very possible that Kaminsky ends up being significantly better than Hawes but it's no sure thing; and considering they could've had Hawes and Winslow or Hawes and a bunch of picks, the move seems somewhere between questionable and risky.


Not to mention if they did that trade, Kaminsky probably fall to something like the 11-13, at that point the Hornets probably could have just traded back up and keep an extra pick or two . (after all they're only moving up like 2-3 slots by then.) or if Kaminsky falls all the way to 15 (that's a possibility.) they would have made it out like bandits.

But I think most of us underestimate the difficulty in getting deals done within a very small window. though in terms of trading back Kaminsky the window is actually larger (can be done as long as he hasn't signed rookie deal.)

I probably would have done that trade, but I can fully understand why it didn't happen.
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Re: Offseason Review: Charlotte Hornets 

Post#8 » by HornetJail » Mon Aug 24, 2015 12:10 am

HotelVitale wrote:
Rashidi wrote:This article and grade are terrible. Boston offered CRAP 1st round picks in SUBSEQUENT years for the 9th. Trading the 9th pick for a bunch of future picks in the 20s (which only get worse as BOS gets better) is hardly a no-brainer, and CHA made the right decision; choosing the most NBA-ready player who just so-happened to fit a glaring team need.


Slow down there. According to multiple sources, the offer including this 16th pick this year and the DAL pick next year, which should be in the teens as well. Rumors aren't clear beyond that, but that's at least two picks in the teens.

There's a chance Kaminsky will end up being worth it but the bet on him was for much more than a couple picks in the late 20s. It was a legit huge gamble on Kaminsky that seems like a stretch now. Plus there's the fact that Kaminsky--as-a-slower-than-average 3pt shooting big--offers the same strengths and weaknesses as Hawes. It's very possible that Kaminsky ends up being significantly better than Hawes but it's no sure thing; and considering they could've had Hawes and Winslow or Hawes and a bunch of picks, the move seems somewhere between questionable and risky.

There was a Brooklyn pick in addition to that. I would probably have traded Kaminsky alone for that pick, and retained Biyombo on a favorable contract. At least we'd have interior defense somewhere.
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Post#9 » by HotelVitale » Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:59 pm

MotorKeepsGoing wrote: There was a Brooklyn pick in addition to that. I would probably have traded Kaminsky alone for that pick, and retained Biyombo on a favorable contract. At least we'd have interior defense somewhere.

I think the details are all rumors, no one officially/reliably reported what picks were offered. Hard to believe that they turned down a BKN pick, a BOS pick, and two others; I'm more inclined to believe it was 2 mid-firsts (BOS and DAL) and some junkier ones (MEM).
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Re: Offseason Review: Charlotte Hornets 

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MotorKeepsGoing wrote: There was a Brooklyn pick in addition to that. I would probably have traded Kaminsky alone for that pick, and retained Biyombo on a favorable contract. At least we'd have interior defense somewhere.

I think the details are all rumors, no one officially/reliably reported what picks were offered. Hard to believe that they turned down a BKN pick, a BOS pick, and two others; I'm more inclined to believe it was 2 mid-firsts (BOS and DAL) and some junkier ones (MEM).

I also found it hard to believe that we passed on Winslow for Kaminsky, let McRoberts walk for nothing, signed Marvin Williams for 7 million a year, traded Noah Vonleh, chose Spencer Hawes over Biyombo, and traded Lance Stephenson for negative value. Every report said it was at least 4 firsts.
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Post#11 » by HotelVitale » Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:44 pm

MotorKeepsGoing wrote:Every report said it was at least 4 firsts.

Right, probably two from this year (#16, #28) plus two in the future. Makes more sense that it'd be the DAL + MEM ones, or else one of Boston's own (maybe with some protection). I think they should've taken that nevertheless.
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Post#12 » by robbie84 » Wed Aug 26, 2015 3:08 pm

I just feel so bad for Charlotte fans. At least you've got some flexibility cap wise in the near future, but turning down the Dallas+ Brooklyn picks plus whatever you were getting is just brutal.what makes it so painful is that they took Big Frank who would've gone 12th or 13th in all likelihood. Winslow was there and they would have still had a shot at making the playoffs whilst sporting two awesome prospects in Winslow and Vonleh. They could have fit right in next to Walker for another 7-8 years.
Then they put the cherry on top by trading their only glimmer of a future star in Noah vonleh for an expiring Nic 'Mr mediocre' Batum? It's not like he's even locked up for a few seasons and has already made it obvious he wants to bolt to Toronto.
It's sad that a franchise and it's fans have to suffer because Rich Cho needs a playoff birth to keep his job. Just watch Vonleh BALL in Portland.
Simply sickening what Charlotte's been through for so long.
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