Spain is still going to be elite after Pau, Navarro

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Re: Spain is still going to be elite after Pau, Navarro 

Post#21 » by jptremblay » Fri Jun 30, 2017 12:56 pm

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TKainZero wrote:
sisibilio wrote:Just for the record, Ibaka went to Spain when he was 17-18 not 15.


Consideringibaka is playing like a 32 year old man, who knows


Actually he went first to France (his father lives in France), spent 3 months in France and then went to Spain (with really strange circumstances). More money in spanish basket-ball ^^ Then I find it normal that after becoming a pro in Spain he chose to play for Spain.

Spain (and more surprisingly ... Serbia) tried to recruit Doumbouya last year because in France there is no exception for athletes, and his naturalization took time.

For me for Ibaka case, the matter is if he was not a great basketball player, ccould he be naturalized? That, Russia, Georgia, Macedonia give a passport to a guy for playing, I don't care, but Spain a UE country, I am quite disappointed.
Anyone knows how many years an immigrant as to stay in Spain for applying for nationality?

Yes, the Ibaka case was something weird, he was naturalized by decree...because here we have a rule that allows to naturalize a foreigner in exceptional circumstances (which ones are very unclear). So he did not comply all the requirements to become naturalized in the same way as any other person not famous. But well, it isn't the same as the Slaughter, McCalleb cases...beacuse does guys didn't know a **** about those countries before being naturalized by them...while Ibaka, spent here 3 years and learned our language and culture, and frequently visits Spain in summer.
Mirotic in the other hand, meet all the requirements to become a spaniard citizen, just as any other immigrant who isn't famous.
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Re: Spain is still going to be elite after Pau, Navarro 

Post#22 » by a-French-Fan » Fri Jun 30, 2017 1:27 pm

jptremblay wrote:
a-French-Fan wrote:
TKainZero wrote:
Consideringibaka is playing like a 32 year old man, who knows


Actually he went first to France (his father lives in France), spent 3 months in France and then went to Spain (with really strange circumstances). More money in spanish basket-ball ^^ Then I find it normal that after becoming a pro in Spain he chose to play for Spain.

Spain (and more surprisingly ... Serbia) tried to recruit Doumbouya last year because in France there is no exception for athletes, and his naturalization took time.

For me for Ibaka case, the matter is if he was not a great basketball player, ccould he be naturalized? That, Russia, Georgia, Macedonia give a passport to a guy for playing, I don't care, but Spain a UE country, I am quite disappointed.
Anyone knows how many years an immigrant as to stay in Spain for applying for nationality?

Yes, the Ibaka case was something weird, he was naturalized by decree...because here we have a rule that allows to naturalize a foreigner in exceptional circumstances (which ones are very unclear). So he did not comply all the requirements to become naturalized in the same way as any other person not famous. But well, it isn't the same as the Slaughter, McCalleb cases...beacuse does guys didn't know a **** about those countries before being naturalized by them...while Ibaka, spent here 3 years and learned our language and culture, and frequently visits Spain in summer.
Mirotic in the other hand, meet all the requirements to become a spaniard citizen, just as any other immigrant who isn't famous.


I've just seen on wikipedia that you need ten years to becoming spanish citizen. So it certainly was a royal decree for Mirotic too? The fact it is that great institutions like Real Madrid went and took a talent in Montenegro. Spanish federation disappoints me for this. FIFA punished football clubs for this.
Spain is a great basket-ball country and needn't any naturalized player to win medals.
And of course, I agree with you, Mirotic and Ibaka are not same cases as Slaughter, Pullen, McCalebb etc...
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Re: Spain is still going to be elite after Pau, Navarro 

Post#23 » by jptremblay » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:46 pm

a-French-Fan wrote:
jptremblay wrote:
a-French-Fan wrote:
Actually he went first to France (his father lives in France), spent 3 months in France and then went to Spain (with really strange circumstances). More money in spanish basket-ball ^^ Then I find it normal that after becoming a pro in Spain he chose to play for Spain.

Spain (and more surprisingly ... Serbia) tried to recruit Doumbouya last year because in France there is no exception for athletes, and his naturalization took time.

For me for Ibaka case, the matter is if he was not a great basketball player, ccould he be naturalized? That, Russia, Georgia, Macedonia give a passport to a guy for playing, I don't care, but Spain a UE country, I am quite disappointed.
Anyone knows how many years an immigrant as to stay in Spain for applying for nationality?

Yes, the Ibaka case was something weird, he was naturalized by decree...because here we have a rule that allows to naturalize a foreigner in exceptional circumstances (which ones are very unclear). So he did not comply all the requirements to become naturalized in the same way as any other person not famous. But well, it isn't the same as the Slaughter, McCalleb cases...beacuse does guys didn't know a **** about those countries before being naturalized by them...while Ibaka, spent here 3 years and learned our language and culture, and frequently visits Spain in summer.
Mirotic in the other hand, meet all the requirements to become a spaniard citizen, just as any other immigrant who isn't famous.


I've just seen on wikipedia that you need ten years to becoming spanish citizen. So it certainly was a royal decree for Mirotic too? The fact it is that great institutions like Real Madrid went and took a talent in Montenegro. Spanish federation disappoints me for this. FIFA punished football clubs for this.
Spain is a great basket-ball country and needn't any naturalized player to win medals.
And of course, I agree with you, Mirotic and Ibaka are not same cases as Slaughter, Pullen, McCalebb etc...

Just reviewed the Mirotic process and I wasn't right, he was naturalized with the same exception decree like Ibaka. I don't understand this because Mirotic came over here at 14 and left Spain at 23...so he could have been naturalized just like any other foreigner citizen.
And yes, you need 10 years to become a spanish citizen, but this rule doesn't apply always, for example in most cases it takes 2-3 years to acquire it, and in others just 5...so I consider Mirotic as a spanish citizen by himself.
But our goverment is always in bad timing, if we just waited some years for Mirotic...he could have play alongside Ibaka.
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Re: Spain is still going to be elite after Pau, Navarro 

Post#24 » by Pachinko_ » Fri Jun 30, 2017 2:56 pm

jptremblay wrote:Marc Gasol/Willy Hernangomez
Mirotic/Hernangomez
Abrines (OKC)/Claver
Rudy Fernández/Pau Ribas
Sergio Rodriguez/Ricky/Llull

That's a pretty deep team. Still a couple of steps behind the US but a favorite for a medal in any tournament.

The Hernangomez brothers are developing nicely, and Ricky is hitting his peak.
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Re: Spain is still going to be elite after Pau, Navarro 

Post#25 » by sisibilio » Sat Jul 1, 2017 6:06 pm

jptremblay wrote:
a-French-Fan wrote:I've just seen on wikipedia that you need ten years to becoming spanish citizen. So it certainly was a royal decree for Mirotic too? The fact it is that great institutions like Real Madrid went and took a talent in Montenegro. Spanish federation disappoints me for this. FIFA punished football clubs for this.
Spain is a great basket-ball country and needn't any naturalized player to win medals.
And of course, I agree with you, Mirotic and Ibaka are not same cases as Slaughter, Pullen, McCalebb etc...

Just reviewed the Mirotic process and I wasn't right, he was naturalized with the same exception decree like Ibaka. I don't understand this because Mirotic came over here at 14 and left Spain at 23...so he could have been naturalized just like any other foreigner citizen.
And yes, you need 10 years to become a spanish citizen, but this rule doesn't apply always, for example in most cases it takes 2-3 years to acquire it, and in others just 5...so I consider Mirotic as a spanish citizen by himself.
But our goverment is always in bad timing, if we just waited some years for Mirotic...he could have play alongside Ibaka.

Nope. It is irrelevant the process the player uses to get the nationality, if he has already turned 15 he's considered naturalized by FIBA.
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Re: Spain is still going to be elite after Pau, Navarro 

Post#26 » by cojayar » Wed Jul 5, 2017 9:26 pm

jptremblay wrote:
a-French-Fan wrote:
jptremblay wrote:Yes, the Ibaka case was something weird, he was naturalized by decree...because here we have a rule that allows to naturalize a foreigner in exceptional circumstances (which ones are very unclear). So he did not comply all the requirements to become naturalized in the same way as any other person not famous. But well, it isn't the same as the Slaughter, McCalleb cases...beacuse does guys didn't know a **** about those countries before being naturalized by them...while Ibaka, spent here 3 years and learned our language and culture, and frequently visits Spain in summer.
Mirotic in the other hand, meet all the requirements to become a spaniard citizen, just as any other immigrant who isn't famous.


I've just seen on wikipedia that you need ten years to becoming spanish citizen. So it certainly was a royal decree for Mirotic too? The fact it is that great institutions like Real Madrid went and took a talent in Montenegro. Spanish federation disappoints me for this. FIFA punished football clubs for this.
Spain is a great basket-ball country and needn't any naturalized player to win medals.
And of course, I agree with you, Mirotic and Ibaka are not same cases as Slaughter, Pullen, McCalebb etc...

Just reviewed the Mirotic process and I wasn't right, he was naturalized with the same exception decree like Ibaka. I don't understand this because Mirotic came over here at 14 and left Spain at 23...so he could have been naturalized just like any other foreigner citizen.
And yes, you need 10 years to become a spanish citizen, but this rule doesn't apply always, for example in most cases it takes 2-3 years to acquire it, and in others just 5...so I consider Mirotic as a spanish citizen by himself.
But our goverment is always in bad timing, if we just waited some years for Mirotic...he could have play alongside Ibaka.


It is not fully true what you say about the 10 years. It depends form which country you are from. There are some cases or nationalities that require less time.
- General rule: 10 years
- Refugees: 5 years
- Iberoamericans, Philipines, Eq. Guinea, ..: 2 years
- Born in Spanish territory: 1 year
- Married with Spanish: 1 year
- Spanish grandfathers: 1 year

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