Best player in international ball?

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Best player in international ball? 

Post#1 » by coca_scola » Tue Feb 28, 2017 6:58 am

Curious to know the opinions of people more in tune with the international basketball scene as I don't know much, who is the best player outside the NBA playing overseas right now?
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Post#2 » by Genjuro » Tue Feb 28, 2017 10:17 am

I guess it would be Teodosic or De Colo. Next year it might be Doncic, though.
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Post#3 » by Mirotic12 » Tue Feb 28, 2017 11:48 pm

Right now, it's Milos Teodosic. After that, guys like Sergio Llull, Nando De Colo, Vassilis Spanoulis. Spanoulis is still the best in a playoff series, or an elimination game though.
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Post#4 » by e_l_f_o » Thu Mar 2, 2017 12:52 pm

I´d say De Colo and Llull
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Post#5 » by 3Diamantidis » Fri Mar 3, 2017 9:35 am

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Post#6 » by UcanUwill » Sun Mar 5, 2017 3:03 pm

DeColo and Teodosic. Both play for the same team - CSKA.
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Post#7 » by baldur » Wed Mar 8, 2017 8:58 am

at the moment, teodosic and de colo make cska favourite for the title slightly above real madrid and fenerbahce. they are a deadly duo. but in the last decade spanoulis has been the best player i would take prime spanoulis over both of prime de colo and teodosic any given day, though.
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Post#8 » by Von Bismarck » Thu Mar 9, 2017 6:40 pm

I'd go for De Colo over Teodosic. His defense makes the difference.

baldur wrote:at the moment, teodosic and de colo make cska favourite for the title slightly above real madrid and fenerbahce. they are a deadly duo. but in the last decade spanoulis has been the best player i would take prime spanoulis over both of prime de colo and teodosic any given day, though.


I would take prime Diamantidis over Spanoulis any time. Diamantidis was better passer, rebounder and way better defensive player (one of the best if not the best perimeter defender in Euroleague). Spanoulis was better scorer but that's pretty much it. Diamantidis was also better shooter behind the arc by a reasonable margin percentage wise.
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Post#9 » by Mirotic12 » Mon Mar 13, 2017 9:55 pm

Von Bismarck wrote:I would take prime Diamantidis over Spanoulis any time. Diamantidis was better passer, rebounder and way better defensive player (one of the best if not the best perimeter defender in Euroleague). Spanoulis was better scorer but that's pretty much it. Diamantidis was also better shooter behind the arc by a reasonable margin percentage wise.


Diamantidis was never much of a threat at any time as a scorer. He also needed a supremely talented finisher to work his screen roll game. He never saw a double team ever...He could never beat anyone off the dribble.

Spanoulis..double and triple teamed with the whole of every defense designed solely on stopping him. Opening up wide open shots and dunks layups for all his teammates. Constantly beating people off the dribble and getting into the lane and paint area and collapsing the defense.

In every Greek NT and Panathinaikos edition they played together, Spanoulis was always first option of the team and Diamantidis varied from something 3rd to 5th option.

Just look at the Panathinaikos versus Olympiacos games over the years...Diamantidis never once double teamed, and barely even trapped, while 2-3 defenders were assigned to Spanoulis at all times (1-2 on the ball with always being trapped) and 1-2 designated to help defense on him off the ball collapsing to him the instant he got dribble penetration, and almost always putting extremely athletic defenders over 6-8 tall on him on any switch or on screen roll.

In NBA terms...Diamantidis = Scottie Pippen, Spanoulis = Michael Jordan

Prime Spanoulis > prime Navarro, Jasikevicius, Papaloukas, Diamantidis - with Diamantidis definitely being the worst offensive player of the group. The argument by some that defense pushed Diamantidis over the others isn't one that holds up to analysis. Because Diamantidis was only good at defense early in his career, and only for a few years of his prime. Even when he was at his peak, he could not defend any quick guards and could not keep players from beating him off the dribble. Even when he was at his prime, he was defending small forwards in both Greek NT and Panathinaikos, because he was too slow to defend point guards and most shooting guards. I remember in Greek NT and Panathinaikos for example....Spanoulis almost 100% of the time being tasked to guard the quickest, fastest, best offensive perimeter guard of the other team, while Diamantidis could just wrestle against small forwards. And in the last 3-4 years of Diamantidis' career, he couldn't guard anyone, and he was torched any time his team tried to match him with an opposing point guard.

Just like how Pedoulakis tried to have Diamantidis guard Spanoulis last year in the Greek Finals....and Diamantidis got so lit up it was unbelievable. But people were even then still claiming Diamantidis was this amazing defender...just because he earned that rep many years earlier. The same way Kobe was never playing defense for many years, yet people were still saying he was this great defender, just because early in his career he was. Diamantidis didn't even try on defense the last few years of his career.

From a coaching perspective, Spanoulis was definitely the superior player.
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Post#10 » by Patsfan1081 » Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:29 am

Who's been the best big man? I know there's been a lot of hype behind Zizic, does spending half the season in the Adriatic league make the numbers he's put up less impressive? How does he stack up to Bourousis talent wise?
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Post#11 » by UcanUwill » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:26 pm

Patsfan1081 wrote:Who's been the best big man? I know there's been a lot of hype behind Zizic, does spending half the season in the Adriatic league make the numbers he's put up less impressive? How does he stack up to Bourousis talent wise?


Now thats a good question, who is the best bigman? I have no idea, Ekpe Udoh is probably my favorite, but he is very challenged offensively. Overseays ball definitely lacks offensive bigman, most of my favorites and best in my opinion are garbage men with good defense. Ekpe Udoh, Kyle Hines, Khem Birch, Bryan Dunston... They all very good at what they do.
Best bigman on O are probably Nikolo Melli, Paulius Jankunas, Georgios Printezis and Ante Tomic.

I have seen Zizic play couple of times this season, but he never stood out to me. Looking at his stats and highlights, he seem to be monster offensive rebounder and has nice touch around the rim. But I wouldn't call him a star in the making.
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Post#12 » by Mirotic12 » Fri Mar 17, 2017 8:51 pm

Patsfan1081 wrote:Who's been the best big man? I know there's been a lot of hype behind Zizic, does spending half the season in the Adriatic league make the numbers he's put up less impressive? How does he stack up to Bourousis talent wise?


Zizic is a very good young center. He's physical and he's skilled. But he does not have anywhere near the physical talent or skills that guys like Tomic and Bourousis had.

Tomic unfortunately, despite having all the talent in the world is just forever too soft. Bourousis not being in the NBA is another in many examples of ridiculousness of NBA talent evaluation. When he was young he was very athletic, and he has always been super skilled with a huge body. The only thing bad about Bourousis over the years is that he can't guard at all in screen roll or on switches.

Tomic had zero physical limitations to be honest, but he's very mentally soft (like Nikola Mirotic and David Andersen). Zizic is a very nice young player, but there have been far better centers than him come through Europe.

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