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Eurobasket 2017 

Post#1 » by UcanUwill » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:00 pm

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Post#2 » by UcanUwill » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:09 pm

With nations already releasing their preliminary rosters, I think it is time to have this thread.

Serbian preliminary roster :


PG
Miloš Teodosić
Nemanja Nedović
Vasilije Micić
Stefan Jović
Dejan Davidovac
Ognjen Jaramaz

SG
Bogdan Bogdanović
Dragan Milosavljević
Branko Lazić

SF
Nikola Kalinić
Nemanja Dangubić
Marko Simonović
Ognjen Dobrić
Marko Gudurić
Aleksa Radanov

PF
Nemanja Bjelica
Milan Mačvan
Stefan Birčević
Vladimir Lučić

C
Nikola Jokić
Boban Marjanović
Ognjen Kuzmić
Miroslav Raduljica
Nikola Milutinov
Vladimir Štimac

Stacked. Talk about powerhouse, if everyone shows up, my money on Serbia to take gold.
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Post#3 » by janmagn » Tue Jun 20, 2017 3:27 pm

Really would like to go see a game or two but don't know if I have the money.

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Post#4 » by LuDux1 » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:20 pm

Lithuanian last 18(16)

C
Jonas Valančiūnas
Artūras Gudaitis
Evaldas Kairys
Martynas Sajus

PF
Donatas Motiejūnas
Domantas Sabonis
SF
Mindaugas Kuzminskas
Jonas Mačiulis
Edgaras Ulanovas
Deividas Gailius
SG
Rokas Giedraitis
Artūras Milaknis

Marius Grigonis
Martynas Gecevičius
Adas Juškevičius

PG
Mindaugas Girdžiūnas
Mantas Kalnietis
Lukas Lekavicius
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Re: Eurobasket 2017 

Post#5 » by UcanUwill » Thu Jun 22, 2017 11:36 pm

LuDux1 wrote:Lithuanian last 18(16)

C
Jonas Valančiūnas
Artūras Gudaitis
Evaldas Kairys
Martynas Sajus

PF
Donatas Motiejūnas
Domantas Sabonis
SF
Mindaugas Kuzminskas
Jonas Mačiulis
Edgaras Ulanovas
Deividas Gailius
SG
Rokas Giedraitis
Artūras Milaknis

Marius Grigonis
Martynas Gecevičius
Adas Juškevičius

PG
Mindaugas Girdžiūnas
Mantas Kalnietis
Linas Lekavicius


Thats pretty underwhelming squad. By the way, its Lukas Lekavicius, not Linas.
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Post#6 » by LuDux1 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:41 am

UcanUwill wrote:Thats pretty underwhelming squad


I don't think it's much worse than last year, Jankunas and Seibutis are only really important player missing. I can't see Kalnietis repeating monster performance of yesteryear, but I also can't see Valanciunas, Grigonis and Maciulis shooting under 40% again. Lekavicius will be huge improvement over Kariniauskas. DMo potentilly is not worse than Jankunas.

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Valanciunas, Gudaitis
Sabonis, Motiejunas(C)
Kuzminskas(PF), Maciulis, Ulanovas
Grigonis, ?, ?
Kalnietis, Lekavicius
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Re: Eurobasket 2017 

Post#7 » by UcanUwill » Fri Jun 23, 2017 12:47 am

LuDux1 wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:Thats pretty underwhelming squad


I don't think it's much worse than last year, Jankunas and Seibutis are only really important player missing. I can't see Kalnietis repeating monster performance of yesteryear, but I also can't see Valanciunas, Grigonis and Maciulis shooting under 40% again. Lekavicius will be huge improvement over Kariniauskas. DMo potentilly is not worse than Jankunas.

My incomplete prediction
Valanciunas, Gudaitis
Sabonis, Motiejunas(C)
Kuzminskas(PF), Maciulis, Ulanovas
Grigonis, ?, ?
Kalnietis, Lekavicius


I think Jankunas is by far their best PF, and will be missed. I hate Motiejunas, he is a negative on the court, complete opposite of Jankunas. A bit surprised Orelik didnt make it, he can at least shoot, would be good fit next to Valanciunas, who absolutely needs to dominate if this team wants to go anywhere. Anyway, comparing to that Serbian roster, Lithuania looks like trash.
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Post#8 » by Muizha » Fri Jun 23, 2017 8:29 am

Latvian candidates

Bigs

Kristaps Porzingis
Davis Bertans
Anzejs Pasecniks
Rolands Smits
Kaspars Berzins
Martins Meiers
Ilja Gromovs
Klavs Cavars
Rolands Freimanis
Andrejs Grazulis

Wings

Janis Timma
Ojars Silins
Janis Berzins
Kristaps Janicenoks

Guards

Janis Strelnieks
Dairis Bertans
Janis Blums
Aigars Skele
Zanis Peiners
Arturs Ausejs
Davis Lejasmeiers
Ingus Jakovics

Hopefully Davis Bertans will play (he will decide sometime at the end of June), also let's see if Pasecniks will be available after the draft. Either way, what do you think - are they potentially the second best team in group D?

My prediction for Top 12 if everyone is available:

Porzingis, Pasecniks, Meiers
Davis Bertans, Smits
Timma, Silins
Dairis Bertans, Janicenoks, J.Berzins
Strelnieks, Blums
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Re: Eurobasket 2017 

Post#9 » by Juree93 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:17 pm

welp. its official.. Anthony Randolph can and will play for Slovenia.. i dont know how i feel about that...
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Post#10 » by UcanUwill » Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:41 pm

Juree93 wrote:welp. its official.. Anthony Randolph can play and will for Slovenia.. i dont know how i feel about that...


Hate it myself.
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Post#11 » by BoardCrusher » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:31 pm

UcanUwill wrote:
Juree93 wrote:welp. its official.. Anthony Randolph can play and will for Slovenia.. i dont know how i feel about that...


Hate it myself.


well, lets be honest here, almost every single country from Europe has a good naturalized player mostly from US. Why wouldnt Slovenia have one?

Throughout the history we have always had naturalized players from former YU republics, and none of them ever brought any upside or made a difference in our national team, Randolph fills our weak 4/5 position.

Hats off to Nesterovič and company, amazing move!
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Re: Eurobasket 2017 

Post#12 » by UcanUwill » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:47 pm

BoardCrusher wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
Juree93 wrote:welp. its official.. Anthony Randolph can play and will for Slovenia.. i dont know how i feel about that...


Hate it myself.


well, lets be honest here, almost every single country from Europe has a good naturalized player mostly from US. Why wouldnt Slovenia have one?

Throughout the history we have always had naturalized players from former YU republics, and none of them ever brought any upside or made a difference in our national team, Randolph fills our weak 4/5 position.

Hats off to Nesterovič and company, amazing move!


I dont really care how many nations does it, I will never embrace such naturalization. For me, all the accomplishments with these type of players will be tainted. I am talking about naturalized players who have no connection to the country that gets them. If he was born in Slovenia or had Slovenian ancestors, or was at least living in Slovenia for a long period of time and had Slovenian spouse, that would be one thing, this is your typical Bo McCalebb type naturalized player, I hate those.
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Re: Eurobasket 2017 

Post#13 » by Mirotic12 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:59 pm

BoardCrusher wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
Juree93 wrote:welp. its official.. Anthony Randolph can play and will for Slovenia.. i dont know how i feel about that...


Hate it myself.


well, lets be honest here, almost every single country from Europe has a good naturalized player mostly from US. Why wouldnt Slovenia have one?

Throughout the history we have always had naturalized players from former YU republics, and none of them ever brought any upside or made a difference in our national team, Randolph fills our weak 4/5 position.

Hats off to Nesterovič and company, amazing move!


There are a lot of national teams that don't.

I don't see any naturalized players for Lithuania, Serbia, Greece, France, Italy and so forth.

Muizha wrote:Latvian candidates

Bigs

Kristaps Porzingis
Davis Bertans
Anzejs Pasecniks
Rolands Smits
Kaspars Berzins
Martins Meiers
Ilja Gromovs
Klavs Cavars
Rolands Freimanis
Andrejs Grazulis

Wings

Janis Timma
Ojars Silins
Janis Berzins
Kristaps Janicenoks

Guards

Janis Strelnieks
Dairis Bertans
Janis Blums
Aigars Skele
Zanis Peiners
Arturs Ausejs
Davis Lejasmeiers
Ingus Jakovics

Hopefully Davis Bertans will play (he will decide sometime at the end of June), also let's see if Pasecniks will be available after the draft. Either way, what do you think - are they potentially the second best team in group D?

My prediction for Top 12 if everyone is available:

Porzingis, Pasecniks, Meiers
Davis Bertans, Smits
Timma, Silins
Dairis Bertans, Janicenoks, J.Berzins
Strelnieks, Blums


That's a hell of a talented team they got....
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Post#14 » by BoardCrusher » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:05 pm

roster:

guards:

Goran Dragic (Miami Heat)
Luka Doncic (Real Madrid)
Jaka Blazic (Baskonia)
Jaka Klobucar (Istanbul)

wings:

Edo Muric (Banvit)
Klemen Prepelic (Limoges)
Vlatko Cancar (Mega leks)
?

bigs:

Gasper Vidmar (Banvit)
Ziga Dimec (Krka)
Antony Randolph (Real Madrid)
?

coach: Igor Kokoskov

At this point its hard to say who will fill the remaining two spots, Kokoskov will decide after the preparation games.

Zoran Dragic probably wont make a recovery in time to join the team.


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Re: Eurobasket 2017 

Post#15 » by BoardCrusher » Fri Jun 23, 2017 7:32 pm

Mirotic12 wrote:
BoardCrusher wrote:
UcanUwill wrote:
Hate it myself.


well, lets be honest here, almost every single country from Europe has a good naturalized player mostly from US. Why wouldnt Slovenia have one?

Throughout the history we have always had naturalized players from former YU republics, and none of them ever brought any upside or made a difference in our national team, Randolph fills our weak 4/5 position.

Hats off to Nesterovič and company, amazing move!


Mirotic12 wrote:There are a lot of national teams that don't.

I don't see any naturalized players for Lithuania, Serbia, Greece, France, Italy and so forth.


you really gotta nitpick so much?



Teodosic said he wont join the NT if they bring in a naturalized player, but they were considering it.

Italy got Hacket that aquired his bball knowledge in US highschool and college.

France has Kahudi and Gelabale, neither were born in France so....

Greece rolled with baby Shaq for years so please...

youre right only on Lithuania which is a powerhouse and has always had a **** of players to choose from


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Re: Eurobasket 2017 

Post#16 » by Mickey8 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 9:16 pm

BoardCrusher wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:
BoardCrusher wrote:
well, lets be honest here, almost every single country from Europe has a good naturalized player mostly from US. Why wouldnt Slovenia have one?

Throughout the history we have always had naturalized players from former YU republics, and none of them ever brought any upside or made a difference in our national team, Randolph fills our weak 4/5 position.

Hats off to Nesterovič and company, amazing move!


Mirotic12 wrote:There are a lot of national teams that don't.

I don't see any naturalized players for Lithuania, Serbia, Greece, France, Italy and so forth.


you really gotta nitpick so much?



Teodosic said he wont join the NT if they bring in a naturalized player, but they were considering it.

Italy got Hacket that aquired his bball knowledge in US highschool and college.

France has Kahudi and Gelabale, neither were born in France so....

Greece rolled with baby Shaq for years so please...

youre right only on Lithuania which is a powerhouse and has always had a **** of players to choose from

This is of course incorrect.
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Post#17 » by jolbin » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:19 pm

well Serbia was pretty open about their pursuit of Doncic. Its not a Randolph style of naturalization,but still.. dont act innocent ;)

i dont really like this Randolph stuff..yea he gives us the last shot at a medal,this being Dragic's last tournament..but still..dont like it..

roster looks like this i guess..

Dragic - Klobucar - Nikolic/Rupnik
Doncic - Prepelic
Muric - Blazic - Hrovat
Randolph - Muric - Cancar
Vidmar - Randolph - Dimec

Ths third stringers are pretty irrelevant though. Doncic being able to play many positions,Muric sliding to PF, Randolph sliding to C...
i like the versatility of this team,but the depth in frontcourt is sorely missing..
also a shame that a heart of national team (Z Dragic) is missing :(
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Post#18 » by Mickey8 » Fri Jun 23, 2017 10:58 pm

His father is from Serbia, his grandparents still live n Serbia ,Doncic is half Serb, I don't know what are you talking about :roll: We are talking about naturalized players from USA, Africa etc. What Antony Randolph have in common with Slovenia for an example, I don't think he even knew that country existed before they offered him citizenship.
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Post#19 » by jolbin » Fri Jun 23, 2017 11:06 pm

as i wrote Doncic wouldnt be a Randolph type of naturalisation, but it still is somehow wrong if u ask me. At least u cant act as a 100% purist in that case, as u might want to appear.
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Post#20 » by Mirotic12 » Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:50 am

BoardCrusher wrote:Italy got Hacket that aquired his bball knowledge in US highschool and college.

France has Kahudi and Gelabale, neither were born in France so....

Greece rolled with baby Shaq for years so please...

youre right only on Lithuania which is a powerhouse and has always had a **** of players to choose from


Not a single one of those players is naturalized. None of them are naturalized. And Hackett grew up in Italy. He grew up in Italy and started playing basketball in Italy, not USA. He also has a very heavy Italian accent, so I'm not sure how in any world he could be considered naturalized.

Kahudi and Gelabale were not born in France...so what? Neither is naturalized. They are French citizens by birth, because they come from Belgian/French territories. It's no different than USA claiming people from US Virgin Islands or Puerto Rico as Americans, which they do.

What in the world does Baby Shaq have to do with being naturalized? He's Greek by birth (Greek father), and he lived there from the time he was like 2 weeks old.

So no, none of those players is "naturalized".

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