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Re: Europe to the NBA?

Postby Raptor_Claw on Wed Apr 18, 2012 5:10 pm

Johnlac1 wrote:I'll stick to my original statement: Rubio is a much better passer than Teodosic. Or anyone else for that matter. As for defense, Teodosic wouldn't do a worse job than Steve Nash. Probably better since Nash has always been mediocre or worse on defense. In fact, Teodosic paired with Westbrook would be a pretty good combination. He can really shoot.


You obviously never once saw Rubio play in Euroleague, if you really believe this. Once again, he is nothing special by Euroleague standards, in terms of passing.

Also, Teodosic would be a disaster playing next to Westbrook. Teodosic has to have the ball in his hands at all times. He is awful playing off the ball. His shooting is also much better off the dribble, as opposed to off the catch and shoot.

Teodosic and Westbrook, neither one of them can play off the ball effectively. That combination would have a zero chance of succeeding.
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Re: Europe to the NBA?

Postby VUK1 on Thu Apr 19, 2012 1:34 am

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Thats cool, agree to disagree. I can just see him having more points and more assists than rubio in the NBA. I think maybe Orlando would be a better fit, a target man for him inside, plenty of shooters waiting on the wings and then Dwight can protect the inside when whoever Teo is guarding gets past him...
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Re: Europe to the NBA?

Postby Johnlac1 on Thu Apr 19, 2012 12:57 pm

Raptor_Claw wrote:
Johnlac1 wrote:I'll stick to my original statement: Rubio is a much better passer than Teodosic. Or anyone else for that matter. As for defense, Teodosic wouldn't do a worse job than Steve Nash. Probably better since Nash has always been mediocre or worse on defense. In fact, Teodosic paired with Westbrook would be a pretty good combination. He can really shoot.


You obviously never once saw Rubio play in Euroleague, if you really believe this. Once again, he is nothing special by Euroleague standards, in terms of passing.

Also, Teodosic would be a disaster playing next to Westbrook. Teodosic has to have the ball in his hands at all times. He is awful playing off the ball. His shooting is also much better off the dribble, as opposed to off the catch and shoot.

Teodosic and Westbrook, neither one of them can play off the ball effectively. That combination would have a zero chance of succeeding.

Actually, I did watch Rubio play in Euroleague games, the many clips on youtube, and the Olympics against the U.S. My original assessment still stands: Rubio is easily the better passer, Teodosic easily the better shooter. Overall, Rubio the better player.
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Re: Europe to the NBA?

Postby Raptor_Claw on Thu Apr 19, 2012 2:55 pm

Johnlac1 wrote:Actually, I did watch Rubio play in Euroleague games, the many clips on youtube, and the Olympics against the U.S. My original assessment still stands: Rubio is easily the better passer, Teodosic easily the better shooter. Overall, Rubio the better player.


Most Euroleague fans are not going to believe you. I am sure you watched hours of YouTube clips, especially all the Spanish League ones. But it's really hard to take it seriously that you saw Euroleague games when you keep saying no one there can pass like Rubio.

Teodosic, Spanoulis, Huertas, Jasikevicius, Prigioni can all pass every bit as good or better than Rubio can. Diamantidis is maybe just slightly below him in passing. Papaloukas is far better than him at passing. Really, Rubio's not even all that much better at passing than even someone like Cook.

So it's just not believable that you watched Euroleague and yet are saying no one is even close to Rubio there in passing. You are not going to get most Euroleague fans to believe you.

Rubio isn't a better passer or player than Teodosic, and good luck trying to convince most Euroleague fans of that. You really overrate Rubio's level as compared to other point guards in Europe.

Vasilis Xanthopoulos (I guarantee you never even heard of him) is just as good of a passer, if not better than Rubio is. Just watch a couple Greek League games and he is making 4-5 "amazing" Rubio ESPN Sporscenter highlight passes a game, and no one hardly even reacts to them, because it's just considered good point guard play in Europe. Most basketball fans in Europe don't know who Xanthopoulos even is. It's just a random example of how Rubio's "incredible" passing and court vision, is only "incredible" in the NBA.

You can pick random European point guards that are in his level of passing. He's only some special passer in the NBA, where passing is so de-emphasized.

If you really were watching European games, you would know this. But you keep repeating all the NBA only fan talk about how Rubio is so incredible in passing, which is only something that someone that does not have any knowledge of European basketball would say.

Yes, Rubio is "amazing" at passing to people that only know NBA and NCAA. He's fairly typical in passing for most European fans. Rubio is flashier than the other point guards in Europe, just like he is flashier than the other point guards in the NBA. But he isn't a better passer than anyone in Europe and no way even remotely close to what you are claiming with comments like he is "easily better" of a passer than anyone in Europe.

You have the NBA confused with the Euroleague. Say whatever you want to about Rubio's passing ability in the NBA, but you are totally wrong when you try to claim he is way better than anyone in Europe at passing. I have seen Papaloukas make passes that Rubio could not make if his life depended on it.
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Re: Europe to the NBA?

Postby Rasho Brezec on Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:28 am

Oh great, Kwsn-men is back. What is this, your 15th account?
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Re: Europe to the NBA?

Postby Johnlac1 on Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:20 am

Raptor_Claw wrote:
Johnlac1 wrote:Actually, I did watch Rubio play in Euroleague games, the many clips on youtube, and the Olympics against the U.S. My original assessment still stands: Rubio is easily the better passer, Teodosic easily the better shooter. Overall, Rubio the better player.


Most Euroleague fans are not going to believe you. I am sure you watched hours of YouTube clips, especially all the Spanish League ones. But it's really hard to take it seriously that you saw Euroleague games when you keep saying no one there can pass like Rubio.

Teodosic, Spanoulis, Huertas, Jasikevicius, Prigioni can all pass every bit as good or better than Rubio can. Diamantidis is maybe just slightly below him in passing. Papaloukas is far better than him at passing. Really, Rubio's not even all that much better at passing than even someone like Cook.

So it's just not believable that you watched Euroleague and yet are saying no one is even close to Rubio there in passing. You are not going to get most Euroleague fans to believe you.

Rubio isn't a better passer or player than Teodosic, and good luck trying to convince most Euroleague fans of that. You really overrate Rubio's level as compared to other point guards in Europe.

Vasilis Xanthopoulos (I guarantee you never even heard of him) is just as good of a passer, if not better than Rubio is. Just watch a couple Greek League games and he is making 4-5 "amazing" Rubio ESPN Sporscenter highlight passes a game, and no one hardly even reacts to them, because it's just considered good point guard play in Europe. Most basketball fans in Europe don't know who Xanthopoulos even is. It's just a random example of how Rubio's "incredible" passing and court vision, is only "incredible" in the NBA.

You can pick random European point guards that are in his level of passing. He's only some special passer in the NBA, where passing is so de-emphasized.

If you really were watching European games, you would know this. But you keep repeating all the NBA only fan talk about how Rubio is so incredible in passing, which is only something that someone that does not have any knowledge of European basketball would say.

Yes, Rubio is "amazing" at passing to people that only know NBA and NCAA. He's fairly typical in passing for most European fans. Rubio is flashier than the other point guards in Europe, just like he is flashier than the other point guards in the NBA. But he isn't a better passer than anyone in Europe and no way even remotely close to what you are claiming with comments like he is "easily better" of a passer than anyone in Europ
You have the NBA confused with the Euroleague. Say whatever you want to about Rubio's passing ability in the NBA, but you are totally wrong when you try to claim he is way better than anyone in Europe at passing. I have seen Papaloukas make passes that Rubio could not make if his life depended on it.

have a nice day :wink:
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Re: Europe to the NBA?

Postby Aether46 on Sat Apr 21, 2012 5:28 pm

Raptor_Claw wrote:
Johnlac1 wrote:Actually, I did watch Rubio play in Euroleague games, the many clips on youtube, and the Olympics against the U.S. My original assessment still stands: Rubio is easily the better passer, Teodosic easily the better shooter. Overall, Rubio the better player.


Most Euroleague fans are not going to believe you. I am sure you watched hours of YouTube clips, especially all the Spanish League ones. But it's really hard to take it seriously that you saw Euroleague games when you keep saying no one there can pass like Rubio.

Teodosic, Spanoulis, Huertas, Jasikevicius, Prigioni can all pass every bit as good or better than Rubio can. Diamantidis is maybe just slightly below him in passing. Papaloukas is far better than him at passing. Really, Rubio's not even all that much better at passing than even someone like Cook.

So it's just not believable that you watched Euroleague and yet are saying no one is even close to Rubio there in passing. You are not going to get most Euroleague fans to believe you.

Rubio isn't a better passer or player than Teodosic, and good luck trying to convince most Euroleague fans of that. You really overrate Rubio's level as compared to other point guards in Europe.

Vasilis Xanthopoulos (I guarantee you never even heard of him) is just as good of a passer, if not better than Rubio is. Just watch a couple Greek League games and he is making 4-5 "amazing" Rubio ESPN Sporscenter highlight passes a game, and no one hardly even reacts to them, because it's just considered good point guard play in Europe. Most basketball fans in Europe don't know who Xanthopoulos even is. It's just a random example of how Rubio's "incredible" passing and court vision, is only "incredible" in the NBA.

You can pick random European point guards that are in his level of passing. He's only some special passer in the NBA, where passing is so de-emphasized.

If you really were watching European games, you would know this. But you keep repeating all the NBA only fan talk about how Rubio is so incredible in passing, which is only something that someone that does not have any knowledge of European basketball would say.

Yes, Rubio is "amazing" at passing to people that only know NBA and NCAA. He's fairly typical in passing for most European fans. Rubio is flashier than the other point guards in Europe, just like he is flashier than the other point guards in the NBA. But he isn't a better passer than anyone in Europe and no way even remotely close to what you are claiming with comments like he is "easily better" of a passer than anyone in Europe.

You have the NBA confused with the Euroleague. Say whatever you want to about Rubio's passing ability in the NBA, but you are totally wrong when you try to claim he is way better than anyone in Europe at passing. I have seen Papaloukas make passes that Rubio could not make if his life depended on it.


Do you watch any other players or leagues except the greek one ? :roll:
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