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Bassman wrote:

MasterIchiro wrote:To add,

I don't think it will be too long before we appreciate the criminality in landing a top-2 protected distant 1st round pick on top of this perfect fitting player we have in Charlotte's native son, Grant Williams.

Kupchak boned the Dallas front office like Debbie of the cult classic Debbie Does Dallas.

And Tre Mann looks like he may have a more successful career than Josh Giddey.

How does one acquire Mann, and Micic for that matter using Gordon Hayward?

Tre Mann is going to change opposing defense as a starter here. He does fit with LaMelo on or off ball. The Celtics are using a dual-PG backcourt in Jrue/D. White.

Indeed the return on those trades appears to be payback for all the disasters stacked previously. Particularly the Hayward deal…just bizarre. Agree on Mann…has potential to be THE answer next to Melo. Williams such a key fit. Micic is a fine bonus…so skilled. Seth is the icing on the cake, with Bert adding sprinkles on top.

I honestly don't see a fireable offense any worse than Presti once trading James Harden for Jeremy Lamb or swapping the picks that became Quickley and Jaden McDaniels for Poku. Presti lost big here on the Mann trade. I think the Thunder overextended their investment in Josh Giddey and Mann is a casualty of that.

Plus there were few large trades preceding this series.

Kemba for Rozier looks like a tie or a win, certainly no disaster.

Duren for NSJ is no disaster when you consider Kupchak turned Devonte Graham into Mark Williams in the same draft.

Miller over Scoot doesn't qualify as a disaster either.

If Mann turns into starting shooting guard and can impact the game like Derek White, Hornets have 5 solid starters in LaMelo, Mann, Miller, Miles, Mark and a potential 6th man in NSJ.

The next GM can likely concentrate on the bench and will have a decent wallet for it. Micic leading the second unit will keep games competitive because he knows how to play winning basketball.

I don't see a starting slot that can be significantly upgraded. Maybe Mann? But we have 1.5 seasons to audition him before his restricted free agency. We landed PJ on a discount contract in his.

I think we really need to upgrade Martin with a wing defender who can actually score and not commit stupid turnovers. And I think we need a stretch big (like WCJ) over Nick Richards.

In this market though, PG depth is so rare. LaMelo - Mann - Micic happens to be the best PG depth maybe in franchise history. Imagine selecting Topic in the draft. You move mountains to accommodate him.

I guess maybe relevant:

yosemiteben wrote:I guess maybe relevant:

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He's not wrong.

yosemiteben wrote:I guess maybe relevant:

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Felt like a shot at previous draft choices

Absolutely a cold dose of reality. I’m sure Clifford appreciated getting his coaching gig here, but he also got stuck with the worst draft Mitch and company ever made. Kai and Bouk were horrible.

Every coach can only control so much. I mark Clifford accountable for those things he can control, which I’ve outlined previously on this board. His time has passed, and it should be over following this season IMO. New start, new GM, new org, new coaches.

yosemiteben wrote:

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Reading that makes me think we really need Jaylon Tyson

Perhaps not so new. I watched the presser, and the owners stopped the moderator from moving on to a new person asking question to clarify and reinforce that they are going to be involved in basketball decisions.

they also clarified and made perfectly clear that Peterson will be the chief decision maker. and of course he'll be working in consultation with ownership, I'm not sure what other arrangement anyone would expect there to be. any head decision maker with an NBA team is going to consult with ownership.

NBA.com posted a feature about Jeff and the new owners on Reel Access:

https://www.nba.com/hornets/videos/reel-access-episode-10-meteoric-riser

Even he forgot Melo is on the team

Nice to see Grant and Brandon going around the locker room and showing the leadership near the end of the clip at least.

SWedd523 wrote:Even he forgot Melo is on the team

who?
carmelo? ddn't he retire?

Random thoughts:

(1) With the timeline getting set for stadium renovations and the new practice facility, I wonder if that timeline impacts the team's interest in retaining Cliff / finding a new coach. I can see the argument that they might have a wider pool of interested coaches if the team looks competent next season and the franchise is about to complete a new practice facility.

(2) I think the FO is an interesting position right now. Our first round picks have to be at a near all time high in terms of value to opposing teams since for a while they've been guaranteed lotto picks. If the FO is willing to bet on themselves, I bet they could use future CLT picks to acquire some pretty substantial assets. Will be very interesting to see if they are wiling to bet on their own competence or if they are going to preserve assets and use a traditional rebuild approach. Thought of this by reading a post in the trade forum about how we could theoretically offer a more compelling trade package than a team like OKC because based on our history there is greater certainty that our picks will be higher.

Here's what I think may happen:

New owners want to make a splash and get CLT to the playoffs as quick as possible. They trade the picks for a star with a big contract and then resign Miles to a big contract.

Let's look at who would be available:
Trae Young - would clash with LaMelo and we don't need
Brandon Ingram - getting older and injury concerns
Zion - a good fit but effort concerns and likely a huge price
Kyrie - would not come here obviously
Murray - don't think he moves the needle enough but would be nice to have
Beal - I believe PHX will crash in the playoffs and they'll look to trade him but he has a no trade clause and a massive contract so they won't get any value for him and are stuck with him
Michael Porter Jr - I think DEN might sneak trade him but I don't think he's worth the cost
Klay - just can't
Kawai/Paul George - realistically the Clippers will try to ride them until they can't play anymore and they wouldn't come here anyway

Who we really want:
Steph Curry - he won't be traded as he's still playing at an insane level
Mikal - Nets really don't want to trade him

so who we'll end up with:
KAT - huge contract, minny is cheap, they want to give the team to Ant

amcoolio wrote:Here's what I think may happen:

New owners want to make a splash and get CLT to the playoffs as quick as possible. They trade the picks for a star with a big contract and then resign Miles to a big contract.

Let's look at who would be available:
Trae Young - would clash with LaMelo and we don't need
Brandon Ingram - getting older and injury concerns
Zion - a good fit but effort concerns and likely a huge price
Kyrie - would not come here obviously
Murray - don't think he moves the needle enough but would be nice to have
Beal - I believe PHX will crash in the playoffs and they'll look to trade him but he has a no trade clause and a massive contract so they won't get any value for him and are stuck with him
Michael Porter Jr - I think DEN might sneak trade him but I don't think he's worth the cost
Klay - just can't
Kawai/Paul George - realistically the Clippers will try to ride them until they can't play anymore and they wouldn't come here anyway

Who we really want:
Steph Curry - he won't be traded as he's still playing at an insane level
Mikal - Nets really don't want to trade him

so who we'll end up with:
KAT - huge contract, minny is cheap, they want to give the team to Ant

I actually hope we go that route. This draft is really lacking superstar talent.

KAT sounds like an awesome idea. They trying to build around Ant and hand him the keys. They shed salary and get a lottery pick in the process.


Melo/Miller/Bridges/Kat/Mark should be a playoff team next season.

amcoolio wrote:Here's what I think may happen:

New owners want to make a splash and get CLT to the playoffs as quick as possible. They trade the picks for a star with a big contract and then resign Miles to a big contract.

Let's look at who would be available:
Trae Young - would clash with LaMelo and we don't need
Brandon Ingram - getting older and injury concerns
Zion - a good fit but effort concerns and likely a huge price
Kyrie - would not come here obviously
Murray - don't think he moves the needle enough but would be nice to have
Beal - I believe PHX will crash in the playoffs and they'll look to trade him but he has a no trade clause and a massive contract so they won't get any value for him and are stuck with him
Michael Porter Jr - I think DEN might sneak trade him but I don't think he's worth the cost
Klay - just can't
Kawai/Paul George - realistically the Clippers will try to ride them until they can't play anymore and they wouldn't come here anyway

Who we really want:
Steph Curry - he won't be traded as he's still playing at an insane level
Mikal - Nets really don't want to trade him

so who we'll end up with:
KAT - huge contract, minny is cheap, they want to give the team to Ant

Bridges and the picks might make them at least pause to think.

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I hope new facilities like this include medical staff as well. We are the most injured team. A revamp and more medical and training resources is always a big thing.

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what happens to all that space in the arena thats currently the practice court?