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Post#1441 » by leeramundo » Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:06 am

bigbob wrote:not a great game by lin tonight..way too many turnovers especially in the first and 2nd quarters. Looked like he lacked energy. Still..this team its not working out. The way that hornets live and die with kemba is going to blow any chances of making playoffs. Lin needs to keep stats in decent condition and leave hornets asap


I hope not, there aren't many places he could end up that would be better for him. He gets to play a big role here for a coach that trusts him and is obviously actively integrating him into the system. This is also a team that's at least in the race for the playoffs. Kemba has been good this season, dropped off lately, but overall very good. He's a closer, every team has one, or 2. Where are you gonna find a team that would make Lin the 1st option? He's always going to have to deal with a couple of guys over him in the pecking order in terms of offense. That's just the way it is with pretty every single team, unless he wants to play for the sixers. Plus, he's been given the opportunities to take big shots, as have Lamb, Marin, Cody, Kam. You'll be hard pressed to find a better situation for Lin elsewhere, and if you do, I question how far that team goes.
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Post#1442 » by bws94 » Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:09 am

I like Lin on this team. This team is as good as most of the other teams in the Eastern conference and aren't playing their best basketball yet. I have no problem with the minutes and role Lin has on his team. Lin's not found his 4Q game yet on the team but he's getting the chances, and that's fair because he'll find it. The team is now not running on all cylinders and I hope they right the ship soon.
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Post#1443 » by bigbob » Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:14 am

leeramundo wrote:
bigbob wrote:not a great game by lin tonight..way too many turnovers especially in the first and 2nd quarters. Looked like he lacked energy. Still..this team its not working out. The way that hornets live and die with kemba is going to blow any chances of making playoffs. Lin needs to keep stats in decent condition and leave hornets asap


I hope not, there aren't many places he could end up that would be better for him. He gets to play a big role here for a coach that trusts him and is obviously actively integrating him into the system. This is also a team that's at least in the race for the playoffs. Kemba has been good this season, dropped off lately, but overall very good. He's a closer, every team has one, or 2. Where are you gonna find a team that would make Lin the 1st option? He's always going to have to deal with a couple of guys over him in the pecking order in terms of offense. That's just the way it is with pretty every single team, unless he wants to play for the sixers. Plus, he's been given the opportunities to take big shots, as have Lamb, Marin, Cody, Kam. You'll be hard pressed to find a better situation for Lin elsewhere, and if you do, I question how far that team goes.


you've mistaken me...i don't care that much if lin is first option, as long as he helps the team wins. The way things are going, it doesn't matter HOW good he plays, as long as kemba is stinking it up and cliff still runs the game through his golden boy, there is no chance at all of getting the win. Bulls would be a decent option imo...they dont have as much shot chuckers and even though lin would backup d.rose, d.rose actually plays decent team ball.
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#1444 » by leeramundo » Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:24 am

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bigbob wrote:not a great game by lin tonight..way too many turnovers especially in the first and 2nd quarters. Looked like he lacked energy. Still..this team its not working out. The way that hornets live and die with kemba is going to blow any chances of making playoffs. Lin needs to keep stats in decent condition and leave hornets asap


I hope not, there aren't many places he could end up that would be better for him. He gets to play a big role here for a coach that trusts him and is obviously actively integrating him into the system. This is also a team that's at least in the race for the playoffs. Kemba has been good this season, dropped off lately, but overall very good. He's a closer, every team has one, or 2. Where are you gonna find a team that would make Lin the 1st option? He's always going to have to deal with a couple of guys over him in the pecking order in terms of offense. That's just the way it is with pretty every single team, unless he wants to play for the sixers. Plus, he's been given the opportunities to take big shots, as have Lamb, Marin, Cody, Kam. You'll be hard pressed to find a better situation for Lin elsewhere, and if you do, I question how far that team goes.


you've mistaken me...i don't care that much if lin is first option, as long as he helps the team wins. The way things are going, it doesn't matter HOW good he plays, as long as kemba is stinking it up and cliff still runs the game through his golden boy, there is no chance at all of getting the win. Bulls would be a decent option imo...they dont have as much shot chuckers and even though lin would backup d.rose, d.rose actually plays decent team ball.


I can't say anything about tonight's game because I didn't get to watch it, but I haven't found Kemba to be that bad of a blackhole this season. The thing is, nobody really steps up to make plays, iso or team plays, outside of Kemba and Batum. Lin does this sometimes, and have been successful, but even he tends to defer to Kemba unless he's going nuts that night, like in the first NY game. The only other guy who does this sometimes is Lamb, who pretty much only shoots. That's my impression anyways.
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#1445 » by gafun » Thu Dec 24, 2015 3:59 am

Lin needs to play as aggressive as Frank. He could have contributed more if he played pg more.


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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#1446 » by bigbob » Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:07 am

leeramundo wrote:
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leeramundo wrote:
I hope not, there aren't many places he could end up that would be better for him. He gets to play a big role here for a coach that trusts him and is obviously actively integrating him into the system. This is also a team that's at least in the race for the playoffs. Kemba has been good this season, dropped off lately, but overall very good. He's a closer, every team has one, or 2. Where are you gonna find a team that would make Lin the 1st option? He's always going to have to deal with a couple of guys over him in the pecking order in terms of offense. That's just the way it is with pretty every single team, unless he wants to play for the sixers. Plus, he's been given the opportunities to take big shots, as have Lamb, Marin, Cody, Kam. You'll be hard pressed to find a better situation for Lin elsewhere, and if you do, I question how far that team goes.


you've mistaken me...i don't care that much if lin is first option, as long as he helps the team wins. The way things are going, it doesn't matter HOW good he plays, as long as kemba is stinking it up and cliff still runs the game through his golden boy, there is no chance at all of getting the win. Bulls would be a decent option imo...they dont have as much shot chuckers and even though lin would backup d.rose, d.rose actually plays decent team ball.


I can't say anything about tonight's game because I didn't get to watch it, but I haven't found Kemba to be that bad of a blackhole this season. The thing is, nobody really steps up to make plays, iso or team plays, outside of Kemba and Batum. Lin does this sometimes, and have been successful, but even he tends to defer to Kemba unless he's going nuts that night, like in the first NY game. The only other guy who does this sometimes is Lamb, who pretty much only shoots. That's my impression anyways.


hmm...maybe you're right about that, the fact nobody steps up. Either way, im going to log off, got my first warning for my heated kemba bashing lol. Not sure what i was even doing wrong, i wasn't even bashing him to make lin look good or anything like that, because obviously lin was horrible tonight as well. oh well, im off lol
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#1447 » by 13th Man » Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:52 am

Lin's handles were pretty bad tonight, kept fumbling the ball at first touch and was lucky he didn't have more turnovers. He missed a couple of easy basket opportunities because he couldn't get a handle on the ball so had to resort to the more difficult fade away shot. Some nights he's ok with the ball, tonight he was butterfingers.

Hate to say it but Lin hasn't fare well against Isaiah Thomas, something about little speedy guards that gives him fits.
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#1448 » by fatlever » Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:24 pm

[tweet]https://twitter.com/JLin7/status/680074611111923712[/tweet]
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Post#1449 » by bws94 » Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:39 pm

People will always want more so yeah, enjoy what you have.
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Post#1450 » by bigbob » Thu Dec 24, 2015 7:05 pm

fatlever wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/JLin7/status/680074611111923712[/tweet]


lin seems very grounded, i like that about him.. to bad his fans are a little crazy
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Post#1451 » by AustinPowers » Thu Dec 24, 2015 9:27 pm

Topic: Arc Awareness

At exactly the 1:30 mark of this Frank highlight video, Lin drives. Batum, instead of making a bee line for the corner 3 like Ariza used to do so successfully with Wall, he floats to the hashmark which keeps Crowder in the passing lane and provides no outlet for the kick.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=aeo6tybYvrc


*Sidenote: A poster in the Batum thread has already provided multiple posts that illustrate Batum is nearly +20% better at catch-and-shoot 3s than dribble stop 3s. (50% vs 30%)

**Tom Tolbert, the radio color of the Warriors, often comments on his radio show the 1) importance of the corner 3 2) the importance to run the shooter off the corner 3 if given a choice between defending a corner 3 vs an elbow 3.

*** Currently the best SF to "float" with the ballhandler and provide the open look for the corner 3 is Harrison Barnes (IMO).
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Post#1452 » by lin is ok » Fri Dec 25, 2015 1:21 am

through better or worst is here for the season. I ok with Lin's role now, just hope we get the wins
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Post#1453 » by Liver_Pooty » Fri Dec 25, 2015 1:33 am

Well at least Lin didn't tweet a bible verse or else his life would be in turmoil
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#1454 » by blueice » Fri Dec 25, 2015 6:49 am

bigbob wrote:
kinein wrote:
bigbob wrote:honestly, id rather not play the rockets again this season, ESPECIALLY not on their home court. You need to play the rockets, in a different kind of way you do most other teams. Hopefully, this was a valuable experience for the hornets, and I also hope our boy lin starts to improve his flopping skills. He has potential from what I saw last night.


https://youtu.be/63gE8R_jgmg?t=21s

Now. Set speed via YOUTUBE control to .25 speed.

NEXT WATCH AT 23. Harden steps forward, between Lin's legs, his foot then clips the BACK of Lin's RIGHT HEEL. This is combined with a push with Harden's left arm.

The minute Harden feels that, he prepares to shoot.


Hope all you want, but that was no flop. You can watch that video 100 times and you still won't find a flop. NOW IN HD QUALITY :D


If you want to see a decent example of what ankle breaking looks like without a TRIP or SHOVE.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gjB2t2Kpcg

You can even slow this video down in .25 speed.


yes lin slightly tripped on hardens ankles, but I think that when harden threw an elbow, lin tried to sell it as a flop. Im not 100% certain, but just the fact that he flopped 3 times prior to this "ankle breaker" gives me some doubts. Flopping hard on dwight howard, then on corey brewer, and finally pat beverley (which was one of the funniest flops ive seen, literally pretending to trip and fall into him while bringing up the ball). Yes, lin was just flopping all over the place last night, and im not sure if that play with harden wasn't a little bit of a flop attempt by lin as well. Too bad there weren't any refs nearby on the sidelines, he might have gotten the call. Either way, the way lin and pj hairston played last night, flopping like idiots was what made yesterdays game enjoyable lol.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcOIgvLbVIc
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Post#1455 » by Roy Tarpley » Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:54 pm

In the last 5 games, Lin is getting 33 minutes/game, with 17pts, 4 rebs, 5 asts, shooting 48% FG and 40% 3PT.

But the Hornets are 1-4. Not happy about this. Would love it everyone played well at the same time!
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Post#1456 » by bws94 » Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:42 pm

Roy Tarpley wrote:In the last 5 games, Lin is getting 33 minutes/game, with 17pts, 4 rebs, 5 asts, shooting 48% FG and 40% 3PT.

But the Hornets are 1-4. Not happy about this. Would love it everyone played well at the same time!


If you take out the 35 point game, what's his average?

He's getting minutes, he's played well except the last game. The team has to step it up, coaches, players, everyone. Time to start winning again. They win and lose as a team with some guys emerging as the key to wins some nights. If there is that one guy on the team that as he goes the team goes, or close to it, it's Kemba. And he's not going so great lately. But he can, and I think he will. Lin's OK if he doesn't play like he did last game.
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Post#1457 » by Teddyb » Sat Dec 26, 2015 5:00 pm

bws94 wrote:
Roy Tarpley wrote:In the last 5 games, Lin is getting 33 minutes/game, with 17pts, 4 rebs, 5 asts, shooting 48% FG and 40% 3PT.

But the Hornets are 1-4. Not happy about this. Would love it everyone played well at the same time!


If you take out the 35 point game, what's his average?

He's getting minutes, he's played well except the last game. The team has to step it up, coaches, players, everyone. Time to start winning again. They win and lose as a team with some guys emerging as the key to wins some nights. If there is that one guy on the team that as he goes the team goes, or close to it, it's Kemba. And he's not going so great lately. But he can, and I think he will. Lin's OK if he doesn't play like he did last game.


We need Batum and Walker to shoot better....less turnovers.....Batum is very sloppy with the ball. We were winging because we were hitting shots. Were not shooting well at all right now. Lin is the least of the Hornets problems
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Post#1458 » by hood30 » Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:27 pm

leeramundo wrote:
bigbob wrote:not a great game by lin tonight..way too many turnovers especially in the first and 2nd quarters. Looked like he lacked energy. Still..this team its not working out. The way that hornets live and die with kemba is going to blow any chances of making playoffs. Lin needs to keep stats in decent condition and leave hornets asap


I hope not, there aren't many places he could end up that would be better for him. He gets to play a big role here for a coach that trusts him and is obviously actively integrating him into the system. This is also a team that's at least in the race for the playoffs. Kemba has been good this season, dropped off lately, but overall very good. He's a closer, every team has one, or 2. Where are you gonna find a team that would make Lin the 1st option? He's always going to have to deal with a couple of guys over him in the pecking order in terms of offense. That's just the way it is with pretty every single team, unless he wants to play for the sixers. Plus, he's been given the opportunities to take big shots, as have Lamb, Marin, Cody, Kam. You'll be hard pressed to find a better situation for Lin elsewhere, and if you do, I question how far that team goes.


For this year, given the fact Clifford has increased Lin's minutes, I agree that this team is turning out to be a good decision for Lin.

On the other hand, I don't think Lin should make himself comfortable in Charlotte just yet....MKG will be back next year and he's a big minute guy with a big contract...than of course, you have Batum if he's re-signed, Kemba and Lamb.....So unless Lin is given guaranteed on playing time, I think he should go.

If Lin can get his PPG to 13 and FG% up to 45, he should get plenty of offers from other teams...Maybe not as a starter but since he can now play 2 position, he could get plenty of time....

I'm simply not sure Lin will get enough minutes with MKG back...A good agent would tell Lin he should not gamble here...MKG injury benefited Lin so he should take advantage of it, pad his stats and leave for better contract and guaranty 25+ minutes.
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#1459 » by TTNN » Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:45 pm

hood30 wrote:
leeramundo wrote:
bigbob wrote:not a great game by lin tonight..way too many turnovers especially in the first and 2nd quarters. Looked like he lacked energy. Still..this team its not working out. The way that hornets live and die with kemba is going to blow any chances of making playoffs. Lin needs to keep stats in decent condition and leave hornets asap


I hope not, there aren't many places he could end up that would be better for him. He gets to play a big role here for a coach that trusts him and is obviously actively integrating him into the system. This is also a team that's at least in the race for the playoffs. Kemba has been good this season, dropped off lately, but overall very good. He's a closer, every team has one, or 2. Where are you gonna find a team that would make Lin the 1st option? He's always going to have to deal with a couple of guys over him in the pecking order in terms of offense. That's just the way it is with pretty every single team, unless he wants to play for the sixers. Plus, he's been given the opportunities to take big shots, as have Lamb, Marin, Cody, Kam. You'll be hard pressed to find a better situation for Lin elsewhere, and if you do, I question how far that team goes.


For this year, given the fact Clifford has increased Lin's minutes, I agree that this team is turning out to be a good decision for Lin.

On the other hand, I don't think Lin should make himself comfortable in Charlotte just yet....MKG will be back next year and he's a big minute guy with a big contract...than of course, you have Batum if he's re-signed, Kemba and Lamb.....So unless Lin is given guaranteed on playing time, I think he should go.

If Lin can get his PPG to 13 and FG% up to 45, he should get plenty of offers from other teams...Maybe not as a starter but since he can now play 2 position, he could get plenty of time....

I'm simply not sure Lin will get enough minutes with MKG back...A good agent would tell Lin he should not gamble here...MKG injury benefited Lin so he should take advantage of it, pad his stats and leave for better contract and guaranty 25+ minutes.


To be honest, I really don't want to spend too much time to think about next season. Following Lin these years, we all know that things could change within a day. When Lin went to Lakers, it looked like a perfect position for him, with Nash as mentor, should have plenty of PT, and got to play with a legendary player in Kobe. Lakers has always been a winning team. Then what, everything changed to we could never imagine.

Then in the summer, we were so sure he would go to Marv, and it turns out he landed in CHA.

So, there is no point of planning for him or imaging where Lin would end up with for next season, as NBA could be so unpredictable, and even when we thought it was a good situation, it could turn bad, and vise versa.

To me, how successful Lin could be really rely on how successful Hornets is, Lin is not superstar like KD (in his early years), AD etc, that they could still shine with their team loosing, Lin need to have team winning to be considered successful. Lin need to demonstrate that he is versatile enough to help the team win in multiple ways to be marketable.

So our focus, and Lin's focus really should be now, one game at a time. One win at a time. With Hornets trying to build up something this season , I'm pretty sure Lin will find his way to help this team, make himself useful and he will have a lot of opportunity that the team will rely on him to be successful.

Next season, we could worry about it later. I hope Lin could grow together with Hornets, then he will be in a much better position next summer.
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Re: The Jeremy Lin Thread 2 

Post#1460 » by lin is ok » Sun Dec 27, 2015 2:38 am

that no basketball was pretty much a game changer there for the hornets.

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