Don't Be Hurtin' Lin - The Jeremy Lin Thread 2

[Liver_Pooty]

Why did fantasybbcoach get suspended?

Because he asked for it. Literally.

[bws94]

Why did fantasybbcoach get suspended?

Because he asked for it. Literally.

I hope the mods deleted that number he posted. That was crazy.

[Liver_Pooty]

Why did fantasybbcoach get suspended?

Because he asked for it. Literally.

I hope the mods deleted that number he posted. That was crazy.

Lol wasn't it credit card info? Just psychotic behavior. Really freaky.

[Braggins]

Why did fantasybbcoach get suspended?

Because he asked for it. Literally.

I hope the mods deleted that number he posted. That was crazy.

I want to believe that it surely wasn't his real CC info. That would be nuts.

[Liver_Pooty]

Because he asked for it. Literally.

I hope the mods deleted that number he posted. That was crazy.

I want to believe that it surely wasn't his real CC info. That would be nuts.

For a split second I thought about trying to purchase something really cheap with it just to see if it was.

Really don't want to go to jail though. So didn't

[Braggins]

I hope the mods deleted that number he posted. That was crazy.

I want to believe that it surely wasn't his real CC info. That would be nuts.

For a split second I thought about trying to purchase something really cheap with it just to see if it was.

Really don't want to go to jail though. So didn't

Lol, I thought the exact same thing, but then decided that if it was real I didn't want to know that there was someone that stupid out there. I wonder how illegal it would have actually been if it was real considering the dude just straight up posted it on an internet forum?

[Liver_Pooty]

I want to believe that it surely wasn't his real CC info. That would be nuts.

For a split second I thought about trying to purchase something really cheap with it just to see if it was.

Really don't want to go to jail though. So didn't

Lol, I thought the exact same thing, but then decided that if it was real I didn't want to know that there was someone that stupid out there. I wonder how illegal it would have actually been if it was real considering the dude just straight up posted it on an internet forum?

Lol. Dunno. May have actually been legal now that I think about it.

[Braggins]

For a split second I thought about trying to purchase something really cheap with it just to see if it was.

Really don't want to go to jail though. So didn't

Lol, I thought the exact same thing, but then decided that if it was real I didn't want to know that there was someone that stupid out there. I wonder how illegal it would have actually been if it was real considering the dude just straight up posted it on an internet forum?

Lol. Dunno. May have actually been legal now that I think about it.

Yeah idk. I'm still slightly leaning towards thinking it would be illegal, but I imagine if he tried to pursue any kind of action and he told the police or his bank or whatever that he posted his info on an internet forum they would probably not be too willing to pursue it.

The thing is, nothing about the situation made it seem like he was trying to be funny or ironic... I would not have been that surprised if it was real. Lin has brought a lot of strangeness to the fanbase. Hard to even make this sh*t up lol.

[Roy Tarpley]

I've noticed some Lin fans who aren't immersed in U.S. culture so they have no concept of sarcasm, which results in lolz.

[lin is ok]

good think i didnt torture myself to watch the game, i am going to be into fan hibernation. Wake me up when hornets gives lin the keys.

[13th Man]

That was one weird stint by fantasybbcoach.

So back to Lin. As I've mentioned a few times that I like to analyze trends rather than knee-jerk after every game. From what I'm seeing over the past half dozen games, imo they are pushing Lamb to be the 6th man on this team as he's been playing pretty well and they've upped their level of trust in him. Unfortunately, what this means for Lin is that he's being squeezed out on both ends; at PG by Kemba who plays close to 35+ mpg (who's also been playing well and his minutes are non-negotiable apparently) and now at SG by Lamb who's starting to see 25+ mpg. This will leave Lin with around 20 mpg even when he's playing well such as tonight, assuming that everybody is healthy.

Whether this is fair or not is subjective, some think it's the perfect role for him on this team being a 2M player, others think he's deserving of more because of his skillset and the sacrifices that he's made to come here. Because both Kemba and Lamb are playing well and as long as the Hornets are winning, it looks like Lin also has to do his part to strengthen his case, not just by showing up. I feel that he stumbled out of the gates to start off the season with the horrid Atlanta games and a few others but lately have been picking up.

I'm not bothered by tonight's game as the Hornets won and Lin played a good game to help the team. My gripe all along has been the way he's being used in general which is all over the place, and that the minutes distribution could be more evenly balanced. I think we have a right to gripe about this, and on this thread in particular as we're acting as armchair coaches. Complaining in the game threads after every game can be a bit tiresome so I feel for the regulars.

At the end of the day all Lin can do is try his best to help the team win under the given circumstances. It's all about the team until the end of the season which then he can then focus on himself.

[yosemiteben]

Good post 13th Man, agree with all of that.

[bws94]

I don't agree with it. I think Lin complements Lamb and Lin and Lamb play best together. When you take Lamb away from Lin, he produces far less. I think the biggest reason why Lin plays less is Kemba playing so many minutes. I don't think even that Clifford is thinking 6th man or anything like that, I think he's trying to match players up and goes with the needs of the game more than anything else. Since Lin was not really producing in the closing minutes, he switched to Lamb in today's game but that was with only 2 minutes left. I don't think Cliff wants to close with Lamb as much as Lin, I think Lin is just disappearing too much when on the court with Kemba. Lin hardly ever scores with Kemba on the court and that's a problem. Lin needs to get his assists and score and take some of the pressure off of Kemba, not just give it back to him when he gets it. And Kemba needs to find Lin more. But SG Lamb can play with both of them for even more offense when the matchups dictate and they may going forward.

[13th Man]

I don't agree with it. I think Lin complements Lamb and Lin and Lamb play best together. When you take Lamb away from Lin, he produces far less. I think the biggest reason why Lin plays less is Kemba playing so many minutes. I don't think even that Clifford is thinking 6th man or anything like that, I think he's trying to match players up and goes with the needs of the game more than anything else. Since Lin was not really producing in the closing minutes, he switched to Lamb in today's game but that was with only 2 minutes left. I don't think Cliff wants to close with Lamb as much as Lin, I think Lin is just disappearing too much when on the court with Kemba. Lin hardly ever scores with Kemba on the court and that's a problem. Lin needs to get his assists and score and take some of the pressure off of Kemba, not just give it back to him when he gets it. And Kemba needs to find Lin more. But SG Lamb can play with both of them for even more offense when the matchups dictate and they may going forward.

I think that's because of their natural positions and the order of precedence. Kemba will always have precedence over Lin at the point, and Lin over Lamb. The reason why Lin plays better with Lamb is because they are both playing their natural positions, when Lin plays with Kemba, Lin becomes the SG. So when Kemba closes out the game, by default Lamb would make more sense to Clifford playing alongside him because he's a true SG. This is the trend that I see him leaning towards anyways.

I think what you're suggesting is for Lin to play PG and Kemba SG? Unfortunately I don't think that's going to happen.

[bws94]

I don't agree with it. I think Lin complements Lamb and Lin and Lamb play best together. When you take Lamb away from Lin, he produces far less. I think the biggest reason why Lin plays less is Kemba playing so many minutes. I don't think even that Clifford is thinking 6th man or anything like that, I think he's trying to match players up and goes with the needs of the game more than anything else. Since Lin was not really producing in the closing minutes, he switched to Lamb in today's game but that was with only 2 minutes left. I don't think Cliff wants to close with Lamb as much as Lin, I think Lin is just disappearing too much when on the court with Kemba. Lin hardly ever scores with Kemba on the court and that's a problem. Lin needs to get his assists and score and take some of the pressure off of Kemba, not just give it back to him when he gets it. And Kemba needs to find Lin more. But SG Lamb can play with both of them for even more offense when the matchups dictate and they may going forward.

I think that's because of their natural positions and the order of precedence. Kemba will always have precedence over Lin at the point, and Lin over Lamb. The reason why Lin plays better with Lamb is because they are both playing their natural positions, when Lin plays with Kemba, Lin becomes the SG. So when Kemba closes out the game, by default Lamb would make more sense to Clifford playing alongside him because he's a true SG. This is the trend that I see him leaning towards anyways.

I think what you're suggesting is for Lin to play PG and Kemba SG? Unfortunately I don't think that's going to happen.

Not at all. Lin needs to have some more involvement, Kemba is he primary ball handler and should be as he has MUCH better handles than Jeremy.

The point I disagree with is I think Lin is the one Cliff wants to close the game out with. I think he likes Lamb, but Lin offers more defense and just big play ability to be used as the closer.

Lin is also considered a combo guard. Like a 1.5 rather than just a 1 or a 2. So, being on the floor with Kemba will take some give and take on both player's part. I think it is more the dynamics of 2 ball-dominant guys playing together rather than who the shooter and sometimes driver/disher is with them.

[13th Man]

Not at all. Lin needs to have some more involvement, Kemba is he primary ball handler and should be as he has MUCH better handles than Jeremy.

The point I disagree with is I think Lin is the one Cliff wants to close the game out with. I think he likes Lamb, but Lin offers more defense and just big play ability to be used as the closer.

Lin is also considered a combo guard. Like a 1.5 rather than just a 1 or a 2. So, being on the floor with Kemba will take some give and take on both player's part. I think it is more the dynamics of 2 ball-dominant guys playing together rather than who the shooter and sometimes driver/disher is with them.

Ah ok I see. The closing group is still by committee from what I see, just noticing that Lamb's minutes have been steadily rising as well. We'll have to see how it plays out over the long run.

[Braggins]

good think i didnt torture myself to watch the game, i am going to be into fan hibernation. Wake me up when hornets gives lin the keys.

Gonna be a long nap.

[TinmanZBoy]

Now Lin is playing like the first month he came off bench with the lakers, offensively all career lows ...but he is doing his job defensively, so it is still better...i don't think he himself is happy with what he has produced so far...
he has to be more aggressive whenever he touches the ball...
i think coach clifford is a really really good coach...but I always thought Lin would not be at his best under any of Riley/JVG school coaches, and this feeling is more and more real... don't get me wrong, lin is still in a good situation since he is a good player in any system, but to think coach clifford unleashing lin to be the dynamic scorer and play maker he could be is a pipe dream, coach clifford will never tolerate his ultra aggressive plays...

[lin is ok]

good think i didnt torture myself to watch the game, i am going to be into fan hibernation. Wake me up when hornets gives lin the keys.

Gonna be a long nap.

So be it, peace is important.

[RealHusky]

Numbers don't lie. Here are the cumulative net ratings for Hornets for the 17 games so far.



In case someone don't know how to read this, this is number of points scored and against per 100 possessions for both when the player is ON Court and Off Court for both offense and defense. The net rating on court is a good indicator who are the better players on this team. The higher the better.

This is pretty much inline with what I have observed so far. The 3 most efficient players on this team are Kaminsky (although limited minutes), Lin, and Lamb. The defense net ratings are a huge indicator, when those guys are on court the Hornet defenses are much better. Not surprisingly, both Lamb and Kaminsky also spend most of their playing time on court with Lin.

Based on these numbers, Kemba and Batum play way too many minutes for their efficiency. Hornets defense are not good when both of these guys are on court. In fact, they are horrible. Williams is a good player and should play the minutes he has now.

I am not sure Clifford looks at these numbers or he just coaches based on feel. I know other NBA coaches look at these numbers. For a team like Spurs, these numbers especially stand out vs. rest of the NBA.

Lin is clearly being under utilized for his efforts on both ends of the floor. He, along with Kaminsky and Lamb, should play more minutes while Kemba and Batum need to play less. Clifford's minute usage will be masked when playing against weak teams, but will be exposed when playing against better teams. If these usage keep up, I suspect Hornets will be exposed with the next few opponents.