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Fat's PG Rankings (2/3/2014 update pg 8) 

Post#1 » by fatlever » Wed May 9, 2012 7:59 pm

its always fun. lets see what you've got. rankings based on current form (not past accomplishments or future projections).

1. tony parker - 18.3/7.7 - i'm sure this pick will catch some heat, but i have a hard time thinking of any other point guard in the league that i would rather have on my team right now. as deep as the spurs are, parker is the unquestioned best player on that team right now and that entire offense is all about him. nobody can keep him out of the lane. he is a 1st team all-nba this year, imo.

2. chris paul - 19.8/9.9 - as much as i hate the guy for how he flops and for basically being a complete lebron follower, i can admit that he is still awesome. he is the most balanced point guard in the game.

3. russell westbrook - 23.6/5.5 - the best scoring point guard of the bunch and defensively a beast, but his passing is questionable at best and the turnovers are a problem at times. this is as high as i can rank him as a point guard.

4. rajon rondo - 11.9/11.7 - i feel that rondo is the best playmaker in the league, ahead of nash. he sees things on the floor like only a handful of other point guards (magic, stockton, kidd, nash). his defense is still among the best. if he could shoot he'd be #1 on my list every year. his inability to put a team on his back and score for himself in crunchtime pushes him down the rankings.

5. derrick rose - 21.9/7.9 - a year ago he as #1 on the list. injuries kicked his ass all season, but prior to the ACL tear last week i would have still taken him at 80% over anyone else below him. obviously when 100% healthy he is a lock for top 3.

6. deron williams - 21.0/8.8 - every year deron puts up great numbers, yet i still don't get the feeling that he impacts the game the way a player of his skills should. he just seems to be lacking in something, maybe leadership, toughness?

7. steve nash - 12.5/10.7 - the old man is amazing. he looks like he could play another 5 years.

8. kyrie irving - 18.5/5.4 - something tells me he will be in the top 10 for a decade.

9. kyle lowry - 14.4/6.6 - i had him in my top 6 after the first 2 months of this year. i'm not sure how healthy he is now, so i dropped him a few. he still needs to improve his shooting and shot selection. defense and rebounding among the best for his position.

10. ricky rubio - 10.6/8.2 - hopefully the ACL tear wont slow him down much. he had the twolves playing +.500 ball and they fell apart w/out him. great passing, great defense, has to fix the offense to go any higher.

11. ty lawson - 16.4/6.6 - total blur on the court.

12. john wall - 16.3/8.0 - top 5 potential in terms of skills, but does he have the work ethic, understanding and leadership needed to get there. until then, no higher than this and 12 might be generous.

13. mike conley - 12.7/6.5 - he is a poor mans tony parker. like parker he keeps getting better every year.

14. jrue holiday - 13.5/4.5 - the defense is sublime. he needs to work on shooting and passing to match.

15. steph curry - 14.7/5.3 - next year he could be top 10 or down to 30 depending on that ankle. i cant wait to see what he does with ellis out of the picture.

16. Jason Kidd - 6.2/5.5 - 40 years old and still going. stats dont measure his impact. he can still defend and shoot 3s and his passing is always great.

17. andre miller - 9.7/6.7 - like kidd, stats dont measure his impact on the game. and he never misses games.

18. brandon jennings - 19.1/5.5 - harsh ranking for a near 20ppg scorer. i am still not convinced he has a clue how to play point guard.

19. goran dragic - 11.7/5.3 - i admit i am guessing a bit on this one. he put up good stats the last month, but it didnt really help the team much. not sure about his defense either. love his aggressiveness off the dribble though.

20. jeremy lin - 14.6/6.2 - gotta prove it wasnt a fluke and gotta kills those turnovers before he can go higher.

best of the rest

21. jeff teague
22. jameer nelson
23. dj augustin
24. ray felton
25. devin harris
26. jarrett jack
27. ramon sessions
28. luke ridnour
29. kemba walker
30. mo williams

now you guys can have fun ripping my rankings apart :)

(edit - nash to 7, irving to 8, miller to 17, jennings to 18, dragic to 19)
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Re: OT: fat's 2012 point guard rankings 

Post#2 » by penquin11 » Wed May 9, 2012 9:14 pm

Don't know if Parker is as good as CP3, but Im not going to rave about it as if it is totally unjust.... I would rank Rondo above Westbrook, Nash above Kyrie (for now), and Lawson above Rubio
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Re: OT: fat's 2012 point guard rankings 

Post#3 » by Eoghan » Wed May 9, 2012 9:31 pm

1. tony parker - 18.3/7.7

2. rajon rondo - 11.9/11.7

3. chris paul - 19.8/9.9

4. deron williams - 21.0/8.8

5. derrick rose - 21.9/7.9

6. russell westbrook - 23.6/5.5

7. steve nash - 12.5/10.7

8. ricky rubio - 10.6/8.2

9. kyrie irving - 18.5/5.4

10. Jason Kidd - 6.2/5.5

11. ty lawson - 16.4/6.6

12. mike conley - 12.7/6.5

13. john wall - 16.3/8.0

14. jrue holiday - 13.5/4.5

15. brandon jennings - 19.1/5.5

16. kyle lowry - 14.4/6.6

17. jameer nelson

18. ramon sessions

19. andre miller - 9.7/6.7

20. goran dragic - 11.7/5.3

best of the rest

21. jeff teague
22. jeremy lin - 14.6/6.2
23. jarrett jack
24. dj augustin
25. Jose Calderon
26. kemba walker
27. devin harris
28. luke ridnour
29. Isaiah Thomas
30. Brandon Knight
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Re: OT: fat's 2012 point guard rankings 

Post#4 » by Battery » Wed May 9, 2012 9:37 pm

Andre Miller>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon Jennings


Andre is a winner while Jennings is a loser. That's insult to have Jennings higher than him.
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Re: OT: fat's 2012 point guard rankings 

Post#5 » by BobsBuddy » Wed May 9, 2012 9:54 pm

:argue:
Whatever the rankings are one things for sure.
Augustine and Walker are ranked 23 and above out of 30 teams!

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Re: OT: fat's 2012 point guard rankings 

Post#6 » by fatlever » Wed May 9, 2012 10:10 pm

Battery wrote:Andre Miller>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon Jennings


Andre is a winner while Jennings is a loser. That's insult to have Jennings higher than him.


i can dig it. i love miller and i hate jennings. miller is hard to gauge since he is playing mostly off the bench, but he is still a great pg. good call.
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Re: OT: fat's 2012 point guard rankings 

Post#7 » by fatlever » Wed May 9, 2012 10:11 pm

BobsBuddy wrote::argue:
Whatever the rankings are one things for sure.
Augustine and Walker are ranked 23 and above out of 30 teams!

Hello there is a message here :-? :-? :-?


what? are you suggesting i ranked dj and kemba too low?
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Re: OT: fat's 2012 point guard rankings 

Post#8 » by fatlever » Wed May 9, 2012 10:14 pm

penquin11 wrote:Don't know if Parker is as good as CP3, but Im not going to rave about it as if it is totally unjust.... I would rank Rondo above Westbrook, Nash above Kyrie (for now), and Lawson above Rubio


i think those are all fair assessments, especially nash over kyrie. for all of kyries skills he still has a lot to learn. nash has forgotten more about running a team that kyrie probably knows at this point. and its not like kyrie makes up the difference in defense at this point.
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Re: OT: fat's 2012 point guard rankings 

Post#9 » by Battery » Wed May 9, 2012 10:35 pm

fatlever wrote:
Battery wrote:Andre Miller>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Brandon Jennings


Andre is a winner while Jennings is a loser. That's insult to have Jennings higher than him.


i can dig it. i love miller and i hate jennings. miller is hard to gauge since he is playing mostly off the bench, but he is still a great pg. good call.




I think he's been the most underrated player in the entire league the past 5 years.

I'm sure Hon-essim will soon join in the discussion and give us a blurb about why Miller sucks and then a ten page book report on Alvin Robertson being the most underrated player in 1987 because Julius Erving was on his last legs. :-?


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Re: OT: fat's 2012 point guard rankings 

Post#10 » by Diop » Wed May 9, 2012 10:50 pm

I can't take a point guard ranking seriously that doesn't include Corey "the Goat" Higgins
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Re: OT: fat's 2012 point guard rankings 

Post#11 » by Liver_Pooty » Thu May 10, 2012 3:38 am

I would take Chris Paul hands down number 1. At number 2 its literally a tossup between Parker, Westbrook, and Rondo for me. I am glad to see you have Williams at 6 though. I find it laughable people can compare Williams to Paul. I don't even see it close between the two right now.
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Re: OT: fat's 2012 point guard rankings 

Post#12 » by fatlever » Thu May 10, 2012 4:06 am

Liver_Pooty wrote:I would take Chris Paul hands down number 1. At number 2 its literally a tossup between Parker, Westbrook, and Rondo for me. I am glad to see you have Williams at 6 though. I find it laughable people can compare Williams to Paul. I don't even see it close between the two right now.


regarding paul and deron, the only time it was ever close was the year when paul was playing at 50% with a bad knee. paul immediately makes his teams winners regardless of who is around him. i've yet to see deron really elevate a team.
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Re: OT: fat's 2012 point guard rankings 

Post#13 » by HornetJail » Thu May 10, 2012 4:18 am

Parker's about five spots too high.

To me, Paul is absolutely #1. Best floor general and best defender at the position.
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Re: OT: fat's 2012 point guard rankings 

Post#14 » by Diop » Thu May 10, 2012 4:21 am

I think I would have Paul #1 and Rondo #2.

Rondo has really made me a believer in these finals.
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Re: OT: fat's 2012 point guard rankings 

Post#15 » by Jaruff » Thu May 10, 2012 4:23 am

I'm not going to rate them all but Rondo is my #1 and Westbrook is my #2.
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Re: OT: fat's 2012 point guard rankings 

Post#16 » by KingCat » Thu May 10, 2012 4:39 am

Sachmo wrote:I can't take a point guard ranking seriously that doesn't include Corey "the Goat" Higgins


Finally, someone else understands the greatness that is Corey Higgins.
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Re: OT: fat's 2012 point guard rankings 

Post#17 » by JMAC3 » Thu May 10, 2012 5:04 am

1. chris paul - 19.8/9.9
2. tony parker - 18.3/7.7
3. derrick rose - 21.9/7.9
4. rajon rondo - 11.9/11.7
5. russell westbrook - 23.6/5.5
6. deron williams - 21.0/8.8
7. steve nash - 12.5/10.7
8. kyrie irving - 18.5/5.4
9. ricky rubio - 10.6/8.2
10. Stephen Curry - 14.7/5.3
11. john wall - 16.3/8.0
12. mike conley - 12.7/6.5
13. ty lawson - 16.4/6.6
14. brandon jennings - 19.1/5.5
15. kyle lowry - 14.4/6.6
16. jrue holiday - 13.5/4.5
17. jason kidd - 6.2/5.5
18. goran dragic - 11.7/5.3
19. jameer nelson - 11.9/5.7
20. andre miller- 9.7/6.7
21. jeremy lin - 14.6/6.2
22. george hill - 9.6/2.9
22. d.j. augustin - 11.1/6.4
23. ramon sessions - 12.6/6.2
24. jeff teague - 12.6/4.9
25. jose calderon - 10.5/8.8
26. kemba walker - 12.1/4.4
27. darren collison - 10.3/4.8
28. raymond felton - 11.4/6.5
29. jarret jack
30. chauncey billups
31. brandon knight
32. devin harris
33. isiah thomas
34. mario chalmers
35. luke ridnour
36. mo williams
37. norris cole
38. jerryd bayless
39. kirk hinrich
40. steve blake
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Re: OT: fat's 2012 point guard rankings 

Post#18 » by BobsBuddy » Thu May 10, 2012 4:32 pm

:o :o :o Fats You have rankings close, but Augustine is better than 23. Walkers right.
We need to go after Dragic . Maybe Houston would be interested in Augustine on a sign and trade for him. We can't trade Walker. Then Dragic starts and KW backs up. Augustine in Texas means more Gate reciepts and he can match Dragic's production. :-? :-? :-?
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Re: OT: fat's 2012 point guard rankings 

Post#19 » by Eoghan » Thu May 10, 2012 5:38 pm

I'm sorry but Mo Williams does not belong on any PG list. Lebron plays way more PG than he does.
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Re: OT: fat's 2012 point guard rankings 

Post#20 » by Walt Cronkite » Thu May 10, 2012 7:55 pm

What about fat point guard rankings?

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