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Re: Training Camp Thread

Postby Biz Gilwalker on Wed Sep 12, 2012 11:49 pm

Bobcatsbball wrote:Thanks Rick...in other breaking news, water is wet, fire is hot, the sky is blue.

:o SINCE WHEN.



Honestly, can't Ben Gordon just be our third point guard? Let's sign a big, not a point guard, a young-ish guy who is trying to make a name for himself. Fesenko, Yi, Ivan Johnson could be better options.

But if they really want a third string PG, why not take a chance on Jonny Flynn? I kind of lost track of what happened to him after his hip surgery, but he's got to be better than Higgins, right? His 2k11 rating needs to make some kind of sense. :lol:
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Re: Training Camp Thread

Postby MountBiyombo on Thu Sep 13, 2012 10:32 am

I think that you guys are quiveling for nothing. We haven't even seen the training camp list yet. You are relying on rumours in the media which are wrong more than they are right.
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Re: Training Camp Thread

Postby MKG14 on Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:19 pm

MountBiyombo wrote:I think that you guys are quiveling for nothing. We haven't even seen the training camp list yet. You are relying on rumours in the media which are wrong more than they are right.

I guarantee you Higgins is on the training camp roster. I'd bet you about three hundred dollars.
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Re: Training Camp Thread

Postby fatlever on Thu Sep 13, 2012 3:50 pm

he'll definitely be on that training camp roster. 99% convinced of that.
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Re: Training Camp Thread

Postby therebirth on Thu Sep 13, 2012 8:14 pm

This is what rod higgins had to endure from mj according to the espn writer. Forcing him to sign his own son. Unbelievable!
Higgins must go!
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Re: Training Camp Thread

Postby Snidely FC on Fri Sep 14, 2012 10:32 am

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Snidely FC wrote:Higgins and Jardine. Cho should be embarrassed. MJ proving that he still doesn't get it. They are sh*****g on the fans of this team, that's how I feel.


Stop blaming everything on Jordan. Sound like an old woman.

We need to tank for another year anyway. Jordan has no say so over decisions these days.


Jordan has nothing to do with his daughter's boyfriend being on the training camp roster? I include MJ in my rant only as it relates to Higgins & Jardine. Tanking is a separate issue. This is about nepotism. MJ needs to put an end to the Cory Higgins/Scoop Jardine fiascoes. Seriously, as a fan of the Cats, you're not offended that they appear to be jettisoning Derrick Brown, for instance, to make a spot for Scoop Jardine, largely based on the evidence that he's MJ's daughter's boyfriend?
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Re: Training Camp Thread

Postby MountBiyombo on Fri Sep 14, 2012 11:25 am

Higgins and Scoop play the same position. I don't see us running with either four point guards or four two guards, so one of them is likely out. It is not like there are a ton of great players begging to play for us anyway. So once again I still don't understand why you guys are crying. It is not like we are actually trying to be good next season if they did both make the cuts. Who cares about a little nepotism on a bad team? If Eric Gordon had been begging to sign here, and we dissed him for these two that would be a different colored horse.
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Re: Training Camp Thread

Postby MKG14 on Fri Sep 14, 2012 6:44 pm

I feel like "nepotism" is a little bit dramatic for this situation.
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Re: Training Camp Thread

Postby therebirth on Fri Sep 14, 2012 8:44 pm

Jardine is not coming to training camp. He is headed to the cats d league. He said he will be joining the cats in January.
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Re: Training Camp Thread

Postby chrbal on Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:45 am

I'll accept the team saying "higgins is competiting for 3rd pg" if we actually bring in players for him to compete with. I don't think much of them, but Jonny Flynn or Lester Hudson for example. Not that I think PG is a need, this is a franchise that had "Josh Howard" and "Power Forward" connected in the same rumor, but whatever...3rd PG...super.

And with the idea of tanking, how this franchise hasn't been linked to Yi Jianlian yet astounds me. Hes 24, puts up decent numbers, and can't really seem to shoot the ball. This team gave Byron Mullens the chance to look decent. For the minimum, which is what Yi would get, its worth a shot.

I could sit here and try to find guys like DeJuan Blair who could play now, or decent free agents. But lets be honest, this team wants cheap solutions this year.
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Re: Training Camp Thread

Postby Sachmo on Sat Sep 15, 2012 4:37 am

Yi would have to be worth it for the Chinese streams alone
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Re: Training Camp Thread

Postby Snidely FC on Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:29 am

MKG14 wrote:I feel like "nepotism" is a little bit dramatic for this situation.

You're right, of course I'm being overly dramatic to make a point. We can call it something different. The question remains will they be on this team because of their skill and talent or because they are related to management?

Why this matters to me as a fan: Just because a team is not winning games does not mean I won't watch, right? We all watched all last year, and a lot of it was dreadful, unwatchable. Even the staunchest fans on this board signed off mid-game, posting that they couldn't watch anymore. Cory Higgins had the one game where he "went off" for 18 pts. Other than that game, his shooting percentage hovered around 10% for large chunks of the season. He was not a good passer so despite supposedly being a PG he often played shooting guard. His size should at least have made him a valuable perimeter defender. Nope. His play was often unwatchable. Conversely, think about Derrick Brown's perfect game, and his general play all year long. Often, during bleak blowouts, he was still hustling, still sort of fun to watch. We can still Tank and have Derrick Brown on the team. I am not "crying" for us to go out and sign a top ten player for a lot of money. It's about giving me the fan the sense that the team is building toward something - which they have successfully done with the likes of MKG, Taylor, Biz - and also giving me players that I want to watch, to keep watching, despite the losing. Why was Najera such a fan favorite, so great to watch, even when we were losing? We all want to see someone battle, be fierce, flash talent when given that opportunity. To me, it would have made sense this summer to re-up UPS, and sign a guy like Dominic McGuire (or Malcolm Thomas). These are utility players who could slot in at SF or PF, provide effort, good defense. Establish a team identity. It was so transparent when they rescinded UPS's QO what they were doing: saving a spot for Higgins (because they used the same approach last year, when I kept thinking we could have kept Cunningham who would have helped stop the layup line down the lane, rebounded and shot 50%; this year I'll be thinking we could have kept Brown). As a fan, I'm sorry, that's just deflating. I don't want to watch Higgins play and when I do it's a constant reminder that for this one player team management has their self-interest ahead of the team's interest and the fan's interest. Compound that with Jardine, who people are saying is promised a spot in Jan (?). A lot of you are telling me to stop crying, so be it. I just want a team full of guys who deserve to be there because of their effort, skill and talent, who are still interesting or inspiring or fun to watch even when losing.
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Re: Training Camp Thread

Postby SWedd523 on Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:48 am

Snidely FC wrote:It was so transparent when they rescinded UPS's QO what they were doing: saving a spot for Higgins

You don't really believe that do you?
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Re: Training Camp Thread

Postby Snidely FC on Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:30 am

I do, but I'm open to you explaining to me why I'm wrong.
Last year you explained to me that mgt sold Jeremy Tyler to GS to use that money to buy out Biz's Spanish contract, and that helped me think less of what I thought of as a mistake.
So, please help me again, and explain Derrick Brown vs. Cory Higgins. (I am not being sarcastic, I would like to understand what they are doing).
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Re: Training Camp Thread

Postby fatlever on Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:34 am

i think the best argument against having higgins on this team from day one is it prevents us from reacting quickly mid-year to pick up a player who has been waived or later in the year prevents us from using 10 day contracts on some d-league guys with promise.

think about how many players we didnt take a chance on last year because we had 15 players on the roster.
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