Juke Skywalker - The Kemba Walker Thread II

[BigSlam]

Getting to the 100 page thresh hold in the original thread. Pick up all things KeMVPba here.

[countryboi]

Kemba is awesome


The end

[TheKingofSting]

This thread should be awesomer than the last one.

[Bomber]

Needs to run the offense better.

[vorbis]

kemba is doing great. the offense is basically kemba right now so i'd say he's running it pretty well.

[Bomber]

kemba is doing great. the offense is basically kemba right now so i'd say he's running it pretty well.

Indeed. He most certainly is doing better. However this team still has way too many 24 shot clock violations. From the Bobcats vs Lakers game, in the 3rd quarter back to back there were shotclock violations because of Kemba. If we ever want to make that next step, it starts with Kemba getting us in position and running the offense. Too many games now we've started off slow, and it's all on Kemba. Not making him to be a scapegoat btw, he's playing well, but organising and facilitating the offense he's not doing that good.

[Liver_Pooty]

kemba is doing great. the offense is basically kemba right now so i'd say he's running it pretty well.

Indeed. He most certainly is doing better. However this team still has way too many 24 shot clock violations. From the Bobcats vs Lakers game, in the 3rd quarter back to back there were shotclock violations because of Kemba. If we ever want to make that next step, it starts with Kemba getting us in position and running the offense. Too many games now we've started off slow, and it's all on Kemba. Not making him to be a scapegoat btw, he's playing well, but organising and facilitating the offense he's not doing that good.

Lol

[KembaWalker]

the team gets shot clock violations because the only competent offensive players we have right now are Kemba, Kemba's backup, and a combo guard that should be Kemba's 3rd stringer but ends up playing SG and getting us murdered on defense

[DY_nasty]

kemba is doing great. the offense is basically kemba right now so i'd say he's running it pretty well.

Indeed. He most certainly is doing better. However this team still has way too many 24 shot clock violations. From the Bobcats vs Lakers game, in the 3rd quarter back to back there were shotclock violations because of Kemba. If we ever want to make that next step, it starts with Kemba getting us in position and running the offense. Too many games now we've started off slow, and it's all on Kemba. Not making him to be a scapegoat btw, he's playing well, but organising and facilitating the offense he's not doing that good.

Started off slow wut

The number one way to tell how the Bobcats are going to finish a game is by seeing how the offense does the moment Kemba hits the bench for the first time.

Were those two bad mistakes? Yeah. But its almost always because he's trying too hard. Not everyone can dribble in circles and let it fly with no ***** like Ben Gordon.

[Bomber]

First Quarter.

Bobcats vs hawks
19 first quarter points
Clippers
21 points
GSW/SAS
23 points
Bucks
20 points

We're always playing catchup because we start slowly, and a lot of that is because of Kemba.

[mrknowitall215]

First Quarter.

Bobcats vs hawks
19 first quarter points
Clippers
21 points
GSW/SAS
23 points
Bucks
20 points

We're always playing catchup because we start slowly, and a lot of that is because of Kemba.

You do realize that Kemba is the one that plays the integral role in the "catchup" role too, right?

[mrknowitall215]

Honestly, it's not that the 'Cats have been having slow starts, because what I've been witnessing is solid starts to the 1st quarter, slow endings to the 1st quarter when the 2nd unit come in, continued into the beginning of the 2nd quarter, and from there they are usually fighting an uphill battle by being in a double-digit deficit.

[KembaWalker]

First Quarter.

Bobcats vs hawks
19 first quarter points
Clippers
21 points
GSW/SAS
23 points
Bucks
20 points

We're always playing catchup because we start slowly, and a lot of that is because of Kemba.

its really not

[Bomber]

First Quarter.

Bobcats vs hawks
19 first quarter points
Clippers
21 points
GSW/SAS
23 points
Bucks
20 points

We're always playing catchup because we start slowly, and a lot of that is because of Kemba.

You do realize that Kemba is the one that plays the integral role in the "catchup" role too, right?

And how does it justify that we always play from behind? He helps us in catching up. Wouldn't it be easier to be ahead in the first place, and then when you're ahead, you get more ahead. Not constantly expending huge amounts of energy to get ourselves into the game and then running out of steam at the end.

its really not

I disagree, and here's why. Of the averages in 2012 NBA season thus far, Bobcats rank 26th out of 30 teams at 22.6. That's pretty damn poor if you ask me.

Other teams below us? Washington (understandable), Philly (surprising), Memphis (even more surprising) and Orlando.

Source: http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/1s ... s-per-game

[catch20two]

Can Kemba do better? Yes. But is it his fault? No. You have to understand that we just aren't that well-rounded of a team yet to compete with other solid teams on a consistent basis.

The Lakers are #1 in 1st quarter points per game and they're below .500.

Also, in your argument you should mention that we are the worst defensive team in the 1st quarter as well

Source: http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/op ... s-per-game

[DY_nasty]

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I could post them all, but they're easy enough to dig through yourself. Nearly every game that we're competitive in shows the exact same pattern. Kemba and the first unit start off great, there's a big drop or stagnation at best when he leaves the game, and Kemba's return is consistently the start of the next big run.

You keep referencing 1st quarters but Kemba doesn't often play through the entire 1st quarter. I think its only happened once this year. So because that simply isn't true that he's around for the entire first, you'll have to reword your argument.

[Bomber]

Can Kemba do better? Yes. But is it his fault? No. You have to understand that we just aren't that well-rounded of a team yet to compete with other solid teams on a consistent basis.

I do understand that we aren't a well-rounded team. I would love more than anything for the Bobcats to win championships , and yes we are a WIP. We will still be a WIP for the next 2-3 years. I'm not saying it's entirely his fault also. I'm saying a large amount of responsibility falls on Kemba to make sure that we at least have an offense.

The Lakers are #1 in 1st quarter points per game and they're below .500.

That's because the Lakers are crap. No I'm kidding (or am I). Just because you score highly in the first quarter doesn't mean you do well for the rest of the game, but it sets a good tone. And for a team with little to no post presence (besides Mullens when he decides to wander down into the post, and the odd Bis/Haywood score) and not having that good scoring wings (Hendo is servicable, Gordon is lights out but struggles on defense), any advantage we can get counts.

Also, in your argument you should mention that we are the worst defensive team in the 1st quarter as well

Source: http://www.teamrankings.com/nba/stat/op ... s-per-game

Not to much to counter your point, but rather a query of whether I can get rankings for the new lineup with Smack in it and whether it would be better or not.

EDIT: We seem to be worse, interesting.
EDIT2: I seem to somehow double post the same thing when I click edit . (Mods please delete post above, thanks)

[Bomber]

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I could post them all, but they're easy enough to dig through yourself. Nearly every game that we're competitive in shows the exact same pattern. Kemba and the first unit start off great, there's a big drop or stagnation at best when he leaves the game, and Kemba's return is consistently the start of the next big run.

You keep referencing 1st quarters but Kemba doesn't often play through the entire 1st quarter. I think its only happened once this year. So because that simply isn't true that he's around for the entire first, you'll have to reword your argument.

Awesome website, really informative. My regards to you sir, didn't know that website existed, was awesome to skim through that. Probably should of been more clear with my argument. It's not so much the entire first quarter that I'm trying to say, but more aiming at the start of the quarter towards the midway point

We see a 8-0 run from Philly, an 11-2 run from Atlanta right off the bat, and a 6-0 by Toronto. Then we see the Bobcats begin to claw their way back from there, and our troubles begin.

[nyhuskyfan]

How many teams have spent most of the year with a starting lineup of a second-year PG and two rookies on the wing? Mullens isn't a grizzled vet either. Henderson came back recently for a little more experience in the starting lineup, but now Biyombo is starting. With a group that young, stuff isn't gonna look pretty all the time. Should gradually get a little better with Henderson now - another guy who can create or who you can run a play for.

Truthfully, I thought the second shot clock violation against the Lakers was more that he got the ball back very late in the shot clock and tried to go to a quick stepback 3, but it was covered (one of those times it hurts being small so he couldn't rise up over the defender), so he was basically in jail. First one was 100 percent him - he dribbled around for 10 seconds and put someone else in jail.

It seems like the bigger problem lately is the defensive end - just when the Cats get a little momentum, they give up wide open threes on two straight possessions and it's a 6-0 run the other way in a blink. But that's just observational, I haven't studied data.

[fatlever]

when kemba came into the league we wanted to mainly see him prove two points

1) he can score efficiently, since he has had a reputation as a bit of a chucker
2) he can make everyone around him better by getting them easy baskets

at the end of last year the jury was still out on both these points, since kemba had a god awful fg% and also had done nothing to prove he was making everyone else better. thru two month of this season it appears as they he has easily proven he can score, somewhat efficiently. he'll probably never put up steve nash like efficiency numbers, but he is no longer the guy who shot 36%. however, i think it is fair to say that kemba, to date, has not proven that he can make everyone else around him better. i think we are still waiting to see this.

we will hopefully eventually need to add a 3rd point...

3) can kemba be as effective playing next to equal or superior players. kemba was the man his last year at Uconn and he has been the man on this bobcats team for the 1st two years. however, i think that any NBA team that has kemba as the 1st option is probably never going to go deep in the playoffs. how does kemba respond if/when he is paired next to 1 or 2 elite offensive talents? i think we would all like to believe that kemba would be a perfect offensive compliment, but until we see it, it will always be a question mark.