#Spacing - Steve Clifford Thread

BeesWax · Post #1861 » by **BeesWax** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:37 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:You know what I liked about Dunlap? He did what the FO told him to do.

You don't think the FO told Cliff to try to make the playoffs?

I think they did yet he made his multiple stupid mistakes a game a missed the playoffs.

Post #1862 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:39 pm

jdm3 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:
BrotherDave wrote:You know what I liked about Dunlap? He did what the FO told him to do.

You don't think the FO told Cliff to try to make the playoffs?

I think they did yet he made his multiple stupid mistakes a game a missed the playoffs.

That has nothing to do with his point or mine.

BeesWax · Post #1863 » by **BeesWax** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:43 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
jdm3 wrote:
yosemiteben wrote:You don't think the FO told Cliff to try to make the playoffs?

I think they did yet he made his multiple stupid mistakes a game a missed the playoffs.

That has nothing to do with his point or mine.

I speaks directly to the question. Did Cliff do what the FO told him to do? No. They told him to make the playoffs which he did not and he did not because he made multiple poor decisions nightly.

BobsBuddy · Post #1864 » by **BobsBuddy** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:33 pm

Well Cliff,You didn't make the playoffs this year,but because your contract awards you a big raise next season,(because you made it to playoffs last year and got swept) you still get a nice 100% raise..First, you lied..You didn't bring Lance here, MJ did....Second....Your rotations suck........Finally......You better start next season strong or you will be gone.

Post #1865 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 3:51 pm

http://www.nba.com/hornets/coach-clifford-live-postseason-press-conference-04/16/15

Post #1866 » by **JDR720** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:03 pm

from his post season conference

Spoiler:

-Ian- · Post #1867 » by **-Ian-** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 4:21 pm

Scott Brooks is going to be evaluated. Anyone who wants him to be our coach?

Hornet Mania · Post #1868 » by **Hornet Mania** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 5:10 pm

-Ian- wrote:Scott Brooks is going to be evaluated. Anyone who wants him to be our coach?

Not especially. He seems to be better at player development than Cliff but his offense is entirely iso stuff. That works okay when you have Durant/Westbrook but with our personnel it would be a repeat of the scoring droughts from this year.

DY_nasty · Post #1869 » by **DY_nasty** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 6:52 pm

lol wow

http://nyloncalculus.com/2015/04/16/vis ... -by-style/

Hornet Mania wrote:
-Ian- wrote:Scott Brooks is going to be evaluated. Anyone who wants him to be our coach?

Not especially. He seems to be better at player development than Cliff but his offense is entirely iso stuff. That works okay when you have Durant/Westbrook but with our personnel it would be a repeat of the scoring droughts from this year.

I'd take him entirely because of the player development. Biyombo and MKG have shown the most improvement out of all of our draft picks by far - that's ridiculous.

LofJ · Post #1870 » by **LofJ** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:11 pm

The fact that Clifford thinks Al has to be our best player makes me want one of them to be out of the door by the start of next season. How a coach can be so in love with a Center (in a power forwards body) that doesn't play defense is beyond my ability to comprehend. I really hope our front office isn't as deluded as our coach is.

Post #1871 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:35 pm

LofJ wrote:The fact that Clifford thinks Al has to be our best player makes me want one of them to be out of the door by the start of next season.

Right after he made that comment he said that was based on the roster as it is today, and given that assumption then I think it's hard to disagree. Al literally carried us in 2013-14 in a way that no one else currently on this team has shown close to being capable.

Most people think Al can't play that well, 2013-14 was a fluke and his body can't handle it. Maybe that's true, but that's a different argument than saying that Al actually didn't play that well that year.

If Al opts in, I don't see any other option than going all in and maximizing his production.

Post #1872 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 7:37 pm

DY_nasty wrote:lol wow

-snip-

Spurs lite.

LofJ · Post #1873 » by **LofJ** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 8:47 pm

yosemiteben wrote:
LofJ wrote:The fact that Clifford thinks Al has to be our best player makes me want one of them to be out of the door by the start of next season.

Right after he made that comment he said that was based on the roster as it is today, and given that assumption then I think it's hard to disagree. Al literally carried us in 2013-14 in a way that no one else currently on this team has shown close to being capable.

Most people think Al can't play that well, 2013-14 was a fluke and his body can't handle it. Maybe that's true, but that's a different argument than saying that Al actually didn't play that well that year.

If Al opts in, I don't see any other option than going all in and maximizing his production.

Offensively yes, but defensively hell no. He is not a complete player and at this point in his career he never will be. If Al has to be our best player then we are destined to be mediocre at best.

Post #1874 » by **yosemiteben** » Thu Apr 16, 2015 9:05 pm

LofJ wrote:Offensively yes, but defensively hell no. He is not a complete player and at this point in his career he never will be. If Al has to be our best player then we are destined to be mediocre at best.

I mean, we were a top 5 defense in 2013-14, and when he came out of the game that year our defense barely improved, so I don't buy that.

BallGeek388 · Post #1875 » by **BallGeek388** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 2:48 pm

LofJ wrote:The fact that Clifford thinks Al has to be our best player makes me want one of them to be out of the door by the start of next season. How a coach can be so in love with a Center (in a power forwards body) that doesn't play defense is beyond my ability to comprehend. I really hope our front office isn't as deluded as our coach is.

I 100% agree with you.

In his presser, he reckons that a lot of lack of execution and the inability to sustain high level of play is on him. Yet he keeps bringing the injuries as reasons for individual failures then causing collective failure. I do not understand why he - nor the reporters - never brings up the lack of offensive creativity in the plays.

Being among the worst in offense in the league is partly on the roster but mainly on coaching.

The thing that annihilates any hope going forward if Al and Cliff are still here is the inability for the latter - as MPM pointed out - to objectively view the former as a normal, flawed NBA player which has to be held accountable for every mistake, bad decision or lack of shape as every single other player would be (besides Kemba) as opposed to viewing him like a NBA star based on a 3 months production.

Looking into next year, it is absolutely insane to claim that Al has to be our best player.

And to start with, I do not know why he obsessively needs a "best player". Cliff must watch a lot of good ball coaching, like Atlanta, San Antonio, Chicago, Memphis, where the motto is defend/rebound/half court offense. All of those teams do not necessarily have a clear cut "best player" on offense as he claims to need, but rely on sharing the ball, having an inside/outside balance, making everybody contribute in ball movement and scoring, rather than putting your players in exaggerated roles based on their respective strengths and limitations.

Of course our shooters putting up low % is on them and the lack of talent, but there also has to be poor coaching job to get them open into the equation.

I am not sure it will happen but I would love for Atlanta to beat Cleveland in the playoffs just to show Cliff his example and view was wrong.

We must pair him with an offensive mind lead assistant if we hope for any success in the near future.

Post #1876 » by **Diop** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:24 pm

he looks like an old drunk

Post #1877 » by **fatlever** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:14 pm

Based on those charts, looks like only the Lakers had as bad of shot selection as we did.

therebirth · Post #1878 » by **therebirth** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 6:40 pm

Did he blame the poor start on playing young players? I'm confused because I didn't any young players playing at all.

Vanderbilt_Grad · Post #1879 » by **Vanderbilt_Grad** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:12 pm

therebirth wrote:Did he blame the poor start on playing young players? I'm confused because I didn't any young players playing at all.

He did. I also felt like he was blaming the front office in code, "you have to know where you are to be a leader." He wasn't talking about himself there.

catch20two · Post #1880 » by **catch20two** » Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:25 pm

therebirth wrote:Did he blame the poor start on playing young players? I'm confused because I didn't any young players playing at all.

Clifford's m.o. is to feed the media a bunch of b.s.