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ball teacher wrote:.500 and haven't played with our starting 5 all season going into the break. There is a lot to be optimistic about. Kemba playing the best ball of his career, Cliff coaching better, Al returning soon. The second half of the season should be interesting.
fatlever wrote:Best game Kemba has had in a few weeks. He was having his way with their defense in the 2nd half and he was doing a good job of getting others shots after he got past their first line of defense.
MKG hit 4 shots tonight that he would never have hit in previous seasons - the two post up fadeaways, the runner to the left off the glass, and the 3pter. But he missed a dunk. What is happening.
I wonder if there were Vegas odds on MKG and Zeller hitting a 3 in the same game. Greatest prop bet ever. 1,000,000:1.
Batum with two straight great games, the toe must be feeling better.
What the hell is going on with the bench lately? These guys need to figure it out. (no need to respond to this question. We don't need another 20 posts about what is wrong with the bench)
Watching Chicago get their doors blown off makes it all the more impressive that we were able to actually win some games in January when we were down MKG, Batum, Jefferson, Zeller, Lamb and Lin with a bad foot.
BigSlam wrote:Tough night to dial out the Hammers tonight.
In a good way.
Could very easily spilt them amongst the three guys.
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TinmanZBoy wrote:fatlever wrote:Best game Kemba has had in a few weeks. He was having his way with their defense in the 2nd half and he was doing a good job of getting others shots after he got past their first line of defense.
MKG hit 4 shots tonight that he would never have hit in previous seasons - the two post up fadeaways, the runner to the left off the glass, and the 3pter. But he missed a dunk. What is happening.
I wonder if there were Vegas odds on MKG and Zeller hitting a 3 in the same game. Greatest prop bet ever. 1,000,000:1.
Batum with two straight great games, the toe must be feeling better.
What the hell is going on with the bench lately? These guys need to figure it out. (no need to respond to this question. We don't need another 20 posts about what is wrong with the bench)
Watching Chicago get their doors blown off makes it all the more impressive that we were able to actually win some games in January when we were down MKG, Batum, Jefferson, Zeller, Lamb and Lin with a bad foot.
i thought he always has those
TinmanZBoy wrote:Ok, let's break down how the bench unit performed
the first half, they did a pretty good job, when Lin came in the lead was 11 points, when he left (the end of bench unit), the lead was 20 points, so the bench brought it...you can't say the bench did not perform well...
the second half, they led 22 points into the 4th quarter. Nic, Lin, lamb, Frank, Hawes
1, offense, Lin no look pass to Hawes, mis-communication, TO bad offense,
2, defense, McBucket iso lin, hit a tough jumper.... 2 points.. good defense,
3, offense, Lin missed a wide open three jumper... good offense
4, defense, Frank could not close out on Portis, basically gave him an open 3, he hit it... ok defense,
5, offense, Nic missed a leaning three... ok offense
6, defense, good d, brooks missed a layup good defense
7, offense, Lamb going one on three on the left block, missed a jumper ...should pass the ball, bad offense
8, defense, McBucket fast break, Lamb did not run back, frank and spencer weak defend too, let him get an and1 bad defense
9, offense, Nic push off, TO back offense
10, defense, good d, lin blocked brooks good defense
11, offense, Frank missed a three... ok offense
12, defense, barstow missed a tough one good defense
13, offense, spencer hit a jumper good offense
14, defense, snell miss a tough three good defense
15, offense, spencer bounce pass to lamb, TO bad offense
16, defense, force bairstow take a three good defense
17, offense, lin hit a lay up, waived off, spencer offensive foul good offense
18, defense, bairstow got a layup, bad PnR defense from Nic and Spencer... bad defense
19, offense, Frank got fouled on a freethrow line jumper.... ok offense
during 5 minutes period, bulls got a 10-3 run, cut the lead to 15 points.....
the bench's night is over....
over all, i think the bench performed fine, all in the plus except Frank got a minus 2....the game has ebb and flows... they could not stretch the lead, however I think they defended well down the stretch... some silly TOs, Nic did not help either...
TTNN wrote:
Before the bench force 1 used to played with Marvin and Batum in the line up or PJ sometime, I'm not sure, but maybe coach should try to play MKG with the second unit a bit more than Batum. Second team is a bit too strong with offense, but a bit less defensive there.
fatlever wrote:TTNN wrote:
Before the bench force 1 used to played with Marvin and Batum in the line up or PJ sometime, I'm not sure, but maybe coach should try to play MKG with the second unit a bit more than Batum. Second team is a bit too strong with offense, but a bit less defensive there.
I posted this in the Lin thread but I'll repost here.
Counter argument against MKG getting more minutes with bench unit. MKG's main role on this team is for defense, not to mesh with a 2nd unit (or to help Lin play better in the 2nd unit). Cliff is not going to waste MKG vs the other team's bench unit. MKG is being saved so that he can guard the best player on the other team. It is very unlikely that you will see MKG getting heavy minutes with the bench unit, unless you have a situation where someone like Lebron/Durant/Melo etc.. is playing with their bench unit.
You don't want to waste MKGs energy or fouls by having him chase around Iman Shumpert and James Jones when he should be saving his legs for Lebron.
Tonight didn't really matter since the Bulls were starting guys like Moore. Normally, if the Bulls were healthy, MKG would play when Butler is playing. When Butler sits, MKG sits. You want MKG on Butler as much as possible. So unless Butler is playing with the bench, forget about playing MKG with our bench.
TTNN wrote:TinmanZBoy wrote:Ok, let's break down how the bench unit performed
the first half, they did a pretty good job, when Lin came in the lead was 11 points, when he left (the end of bench unit), the lead was 20 points, so the bench brought it...you can't say the bench did not perform well...
the second half, they led 22 points into the 4th quarter. Nic, Lin, lamb, Frank, Hawes
1, offense, Lin no look pass to Hawes, mis-communication, TO bad offense,
2, defense, McBucket iso lin, hit a tough jumper.... 2 points.. good defense,
3, offense, Lin missed a wide open three jumper... good offense
4, defense, Frank could not close out on Portis, basically gave him an open 3, he hit it... ok defense,
5, offense, Nic missed a leaning three... ok offense
6, defense, good d, brooks missed a layup good defense
7, offense, Lamb going one on three on the left block, missed a jumper ...should pass the ball, bad offense
8, defense, McBucket fast break, Lamb did not run back, frank and spencer weak defend too, let him get an and1 bad defense
9, offense, Nic push off, TO back offense
10, defense, good d, lin blocked brooks good defense
11, offense, Frank missed a three... ok offense
12, defense, barstow missed a tough one good defense
13, offense, spencer hit a jumper good offense
14, defense, snell miss a tough three good defense
15, offense, spencer bounce pass to lamb, TO bad offense
16, defense, force bairstow take a three good defense
17, offense, lin hit a lay up, waived off, spencer offensive foul good offense
18, defense, bairstow got a layup, bad PnR defense from Nic and Spencer... bad defense
19, offense, Frank got fouled on a freethrow line jumper.... ok offense
during 5 minutes period, bulls got a 10-3 run, cut the lead to 15 points.....
the bench's night is over....
over all, i think the bench performed fine, all in the plus except Frank got a minus 2....the game has ebb and flows... they could not stretch the lead, however I think they defended well down the stretch... some silly TOs, Nic did not help either...
Before the bench force 1 used to played with Marvin and Batum in the line up or PJ sometime, I'm not sure, but maybe coach should try to play MKG with the second unit a bit more than Batum. Second team is a bit too strong with offense, but a bit less defensive there.
Hope to see coach someday will mix up the line up a little bit, play Kaminsky with the starters and try to play Marvin and MKG with the second team. And let the second team run a little bit.
However, with AI coming back, that will change again, so might not worth to bother.....
TTNN wrote:BTW, we have both Batum and MKG playing at SF, oh, maybe also Marvin, currently all three are starting, and someone will need to play with second team anyway. What I'm saying is that, either MKG or Marvin play with 2nd team will be better than Batum.
TTNN wrote:BTW, we have both Batum and MKG playing at SF, oh, maybe also Marvin, currently all three are starting, and someone will need to play with second team anyway. What I'm saying is that, either MKG or Marvin play with 2nd team will be better than Batum.
bws94 wrote:@tinmanzboy, yes Frank and Lamb look anxious now. Maybe not just letting their natural game come to them and going with the flow but forcing the issue. And Frank, Lam and Lin couldn't get their perimeter game going. Lamb had 1 3-pointer but he ended up 1-5, Lin 1-7 and Frank 0-3. All of these key guys struggled to make shots.
