2016 Hornets Offseason Plan 2.0

[spaceballer]

Gut tells me they're targeting Lin over Marvin.
1. Batum 2. Lin. 3. Marvin. 4. Lee. 145447. Al

They just brought in a combo guard/sixth man in Belinelli to replace Lin, and used up the #22 pick to do it, along with that $6.3M contract that means less money to spend on free agents like Lin.

The Belinelli move likely means C.Lee and JLin are both out.

I do not see Belinelli as a combo guard. He's a shooter who comes off screens.

That should be sufficient if one of Kemba or Batum is on the floor at all times to run the offense. Just need a vet min guy to guard PGs. Or maybe they can find someone with the Room MLE of $2.9M after they spend the free cap space on a center.

[yosemiteben]

Wiz are supposedly going to offer Noah 120million.

Good luck with that.

ETA: Apparently NYK, MIL, MIN, and WAS are all willing to open the checkbook and write a max check for Noah. Monroe not looking so bad. Batum looking downright cheap.

[euphorbus]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2648278-undrafted-nba-free-agents-2016-predictions-for-top-prospects-available

[SWedd523]

If we plan to use Marco in Lin's role that's a big downgrade and still doesn't address our need for backup PG. Only thing Marco does better than Lin is shoot 3s, something I feel we had enough of last year.

Why not just "promote" Troy? He's proven he can come in and make threes whenever needed, knows the team, and is much cheaper than Belinelli. Could always sign some min level player to take Troy's old spot and still maintain more money and less roster spots to fill.

The whole thing just seems lazy by Cho so far.

[fatlever]

If we plan to use Marco in Lin's role that's a big downgrade and still doesn't address our need for backup PG. Only thing Marco does better than Lin is shoot 3s, something I feel we had enough of last year.

Why not just "promote" Troy? He's proven he can come in and make threes whenever needed, knows the team, and is much cheaper than Belinelli. Could always sign some min level player to take Troy's old spot and still maintain more money and less roster spots to fill.

The whole thing just seems lazy by Cho so far.

I hear ya, but I'll at least suggest that Marco is a better all-around player than Troy, at least 3 inches taller, with more playmaking ability. Wings who can play both spots, shoot 3s and make some plays for others are valuable. In that sense he add more to the team than Troy.

But, is it enough to take on 5 mil of salary making it harder to retain Lin/Lee/Marvin or add a free agent center?

And I am still struggling to see how Marco replaces Lin as the defacto 2nd string PG. I'm not seeing that part of his game. Even paired with Batum on the 2nd unit, a PG will need to be added for defensive purposes. Losing Lin and Lee also leave us so thin behind Kemba and MKG.

[BlackOutBuzz]

I'm still trying to figure out how Cho thought adding more salary to an already tight situation was the best move.

I think that, once they realized that they could get Belinelli, the strategy switched from clearing space to keep Lee to cutting bait and replacing him with Marco. Lee's on record as wanting about double what Belinelli makes, and it's not like Lee has a low cap hold to soften some of the blow. So, in that way we are actually saving money.

Basically I think Lee is gone, and now we're almost certainly gonna be a cap space team instead of just relying on our Bird Rights. Which means Lin is likely still in they plans as well (I'm not sold on Belinelli as a backup PG).

Our current guys plus any Batum's roster hold and any minimum/empty roster holds should put us around $74M. So that's about $20M for Marvin/Lin/Al, plus at least one of Lamb and Hawes are most likely gone.

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[yosemiteben]

Who would you most prefer on this roster next season, Lamb or Belinelli?

[fatlever]

I'm still trying to figure out how Cho thought adding more salary to an already tight situation was the best move.

I think that, once they realized that they could get Belinelli, the strategy switched from clearing space to keep Lee to cutting bait and replacing him with Marco. Lee's on record as wanting about double what Belinelli makes, and it's not like Lee has a low cap hold to soften some of the blow. So, in that way we are actually saving money.

Basically I think Lee is gone, and now we're almost certainly gonna be a cap space team instead of just relying on our Bird Rights. Which means Lin is likely still in they plans as well (I'm not sold on Belinelli as a backup PG).

Our current guys plus any Batum's roster hold and any minimum/empty roster holds should put us around $74M. So that's about $20M for Marvin/Lin/Al, plus at least one of Lamb and Hawes are most likely gone.

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is my post from the previous page similar to what you think might happen? Renounce Lee/Al/Troy/Tyler leaving us about 11 mil (or 13 if we also dump Jorge and Harrison), to be used to resign Lin.

But in that scenario, we really don't leave any money to sign a backup center other than vet min.

[fatlever]

Who would you most prefer on this roster next season, Lamb or Belinelli?

Marco, very easily for me.

[Snidely FC]

I would rather have Belinelli than Lamb

Question: is it possible that when the trade is finally announced that the trade is actually Lamb + 22 for Belinelli + Papagiannis?
If so, why would they not have announced it as Lamb + 22 for Belinelli + 13?


Offseason Plan (Revised) to reflect magical thinking that draft day deal will ultimately be Lamb + 22 for Belly + Poppagiannis (based on Demarcus Cousins' reaction to that pick) & that we can resign Lin at $11 mln.
(showing cap hold)
Batum 19.7 (sign)
MKG 13
Kemba 12
Lin 11 (sign)
Marv 9.1 (sign)
Hawes 6.3
Belinelli 6
Cody 5.3
Jared Dudley 4.3 (sign ufa)
Frank 2.7
#13 Papagiannis 1.8 (draft)
Troy Daniels 1.2
Aaron Harrison 800k
Gutierrez 543k
$93.75 M

Kemba Lin Gutierrez
Batum Belinelli Troy
MKG Dudley Harrison
Marv Frank
Cody Hawes Papagiannis

[JDR720]

Lamb was better than Marco last season by quite a bit

[fatlever]

Not a chance Snidely

[yosemiteben]

Lamb was better than Marco last season by quite a bit

Wasn't really the question though. One guy has a career 3PT% of 38% and just got stuck in a train wreck in SAC, the other is about to start his fifth year and his career season high from 3 is 35.6%.

Lamb is nice as an ISO midrange scorer that can grab some boards, but he's a pretty poor fit with the rest of our roster. I actually think Belinelli is a much better fit next to Lin than Lamb is.

I kind of hope we hang on to Lamb because I think he's primed to put it all together this season, but I could see from a fit perspective how we might prefer Belinelli.

[Stun704]

I'm still kind of disgusted that Cody Zeller will probably be our starting center. We should be trying to sign Howard or whiteside

[JDR720]

Mavs want Marv

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/242392/Mavs-Interested-In-Evan-Fournier-Kent-Bazemore-Evan-Turner-Marvin-Williams

[JDR720]

Lamb was better than Marco last season by quite a bit

Wasn't really the question though. One guy has a career 3PT% of 38% and just got stuck in a train wreck in SAC, the other is about to start his fifth year and his career season high from 3 is 35.6%.

Lamb is nice as an ISO midrange scorer that can grab some boards, but he's a pretty poor fit with the rest of our roster. I actually think Belinelli is a much better fit next to Lin than Lamb is.

I kind of hope we hang on to Lamb because I think he's primed to put it all together this season, but I could see from a fit perspective how we might prefer Belinelli.

but we likely aren't going to keep Lin.

[Snidely FC]

Not a chance Snidely

[Snidely FC]

my sole reason for being ready to deal Lamb is defense. I think he continues to grow on the offensive end. But even if his defensive awareness develops his lateral movement is spastic. He can't seem to get to his spots either mentally or physically. I don't ever see him being good enough on D that Cliff will be happy with him

[BlackOutBuzz]

I'm still trying to figure out how Cho thought adding more salary to an already tight situation was the best move.

I think that, once they realized that they could get Belinelli, the strategy switched from clearing space to keep Lee to cutting bait and replacing him with Marco. Lee's on record as wanting about double what Belinelli makes, and it's not like Lee has a low cap hold to soften some of the blow. So, in that way we are actually saving money.

Basically I think Lee is gone, and now we're almost certainly gonna be a cap space team instead of just relying on our Bird Rights. Which means Lin is likely still in they plans as well (I'm not sold on Belinelli as a backup PG).

Our current guys plus any Batum's roster hold and any minimum/empty roster holds should put us around $74M. So that's about $20M for Marvin/Lin/Al, plus at least one of Lamb and Hawes are most likely gone.

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is my post from the previous page similar to what you think might happen? Renounce Lee/Al/Troy/Tyler leaving us about 11 mil (or 13 if we also dump Jorge and Harrison), to be used to resign Lin.

But in that scenario, we really don't leave any money to sign a backup center other than vet min.

Pretty similar, though guys like Jorge and Troy could be kept on at little liability instead of having an empty roster hold. If we go this route then we'll still have the Room MLE, which is roughly half the size. We would still have the Bi-Annual too had we just offered Lin part of the unused MLE, which still bugs me.

Basically if Lamb is on the way out then it's possible to bring back all of Batum, Marvin, Lin, and probably even Troy as he shouldn't be expensive. Maybe bring back Jorge and Hansbrough on minimum deals. That gets us to 13 players, then use the Room MLE on a cheap big and then maybe give another undrafted guy an unguaranteed deal.

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[Liver_Pooty]

Who would you most prefer on this roster next season, Lamb or Belinelli?

Marco by far.