2017 General Offseason Thread

[MPM]

Oh my. I am wrong. MCW do grade well on DRPM.

Yeah, he's up there with the Lowry's and Hill's. Still not sold on him as a significant minutes player, but like the length and D next to a Monk - he and Weber could give us some different defensive looks. Worth a glance for spot minutes if he came dirt cheap. If not, meh.

[Braggins]

Whats our plan for backup PF if we do a Marvin for Rubio swap? I like that idea in principle, but I think we'd need to pick up someone like Leuer or Darrell Arthur on the cheap. Not sure if its actually feasible, but we could do the Rubio for Marv swap and then do something like trade MKG to Denver for Darrell Arthur + Will Barton.

Kemba/Rubio/Weber
Barton/Monk/Graham
Batum/Lamb/Bacon
Frank/Arthur/JOB
Howard/Cody

[JDR720]

Cliff wouldn't do it but I would just put mkg at pf and start monk. Bacon or Graham can get 10-15mins as a 3&d player

Kemba
Monk
Nic
Frank
Dwight

?
Lamb
Bacon or Graham
Mkg
Zeller

[LofJ]

Whats our plan for backup PF if we do a Marvin for Rubio swap? I like that idea in principle, but I think we'd need to pick up someone like Leuer or Darrell Arthur on the cheap. Not sure if its actually feasible, but we could do the Rubio for Marv swap and then do something like trade MKG to Denver for Darrell Arthur + Will Barton.

Kemba/Rubio/Weber
Barton/Monk/Graham
Batum/Lamb
Frank/Arthur/JOB
Howard/Cody

Maybe a 3 team trade would be easier:

We send Lamb, Marvin, and Sessions
We get Rubio and Arthur

MIN sends Rubio
MIN gets Marvin and Barton

DEN sends Arthur and Barton
DEN gets Lamb and Sessions

Kemba/Rubio
MKG/Monk
Batum/Miles
Frank/Arthur
Howard/Zeller

And then sign Miles, Afflalo, Sefolosha, Tucker, etc. using the MLE.

[JDR720]

d on the starting lineup is dog poo tho. Dwight will need to do work.

[Braggins]

Whats our plan for backup PF if we do a Marvin for Rubio swap? I like that idea in principle, but I think we'd need to pick up someone like Leuer or Darrell Arthur on the cheap. Not sure if its actually feasible, but we could do the Rubio for Marv swap and then do something like trade MKG to Denver for Darrell Arthur + Will Barton.

Maybe a 3 team trade would be easier:

I like the idea of a 3 team deal here. I'd try to get Barton sent our way. I think hed fit very well here. I think hes good enough to start for us, but would be amazing as a first wing off the bench. It would be amazing if we could keep MKG and get Barton, but it might not be worth it for Denver. If we are sending them Lamb then we wouldn't be sending out enough salary to take on Arthur, so hed have to be replaced by Lyles or Hernangomez. This is the best I could come up with.

Charlotte in: Ricky Rubio + Will Barton + Juan Hernangomez
Charlotte out: Marvin Williams + Jeremy Lamb + 2018 1st (top 10 protected)

Denver in: Jeremy Lamb + 2018 1st (CHA - top 10 protected)
Denver out: Will Barton + Juan Hernangomez + 2018 2nd

Minnesota in: Marvin Williams + 2018 2nd (DEN)
Minnesota out: Ricky Rubio

Kemba/Rubio/Weber
Batum/Monk/Graham
MKG//Barton/Bacon
Frank/Hernangomez/JOB
Howard/Cody

Use the MLE on an emergency big option at whichever front court position we thin JOB is least suited for.

That could be hell of a team honestly. Might get us to 3rd in the East if everything pans out. No way we are catching Cleveland or Boston (if they add George and/or Hayward), but that would still be a hell of an improvement.

[yosemiteben]

Take the range of minutes you expect from Monk, take 30% from the low end, and that's what he'll have. He's not going to start or be a huge part of our rotation as a 19 year old rookie.

[CatgutStitches]

Take the range of minutes you expect from Monk, take 30% from the low end, and that's what he'll have. He's not going to start or be a huge part of our rotation as a 19 year old rookie.

Yeah...Id be shocked if he played more than around 15-18 min a game as a rookie. Depending on who we bring in as a PG and injuries of course.

TBH I dont think he ever starts unless he can play the point or small ball becomes even more prolific. I also dont care if he starts or not, you can have a damn nice career playing 25-30 min off the bench and carrying the offensive load again 2nd units

I really dont see another big trade incoming...we could possibly move Lamb for a PG or something but a move like that is about the extent

Either way, Im pretty happy with the rosters current makup barring a backup PG or staggering minutes so Monk guards the backup PGs and plays with Nic/Frank

[Vanderbilt_Grad]

Take the range of minutes you expect from Monk, take 30% from the low end, and that's what he'll have. He's not going to start or be a huge part of our rotation as a 19 year old rookie.

I don't know that your narrative there holds well against what Cliff has actually done. Here are the numbers in MGP

Year 1
Vonleh - 10.4
PJ - 15.3
Cody - 17.3
Frank - 21.1

Year 2
PJ - 19.5
Cody - 24
Frank - 26.1

To me it looks like rookie playing time under Cliff is driven by a combination of how good the player is and how much he needs someone to play minutes at that spot.

Last year Marco was given 24 MPG.

Given all that I expect that Monk will average more than PJ (15.3) but less than Frank (21.1). My prediction is 18 MPG.

[yosemiteben]

Not really a Cliff narrative, more an NBA narrative. 19 year old rookies generally aren't playing large rotation roles for playoff teams. Vonleh is the only one on that list that fits the criteria, and without checking I'd bet he had a boatload of DNPs.

I think 18 is a reasonable estimate, though I'd skew toward 15. I think our to be acquired PG will play the Marco / JLin role of secondary playmaker.

[Braggins]

Take the range of minutes you expect from Monk, take 30% from the low end, and that's what he'll have. He's not going to start or be a huge part of our rotation as a 19 year old rookie.

Yeah...Id be shocked if he played more than around 15-18 min a game as a rookie. Depending on who we bring in as a PG and injuries of course.

TBH I dont think he ever starts unless he can play the point or small ball becomes even more prolific. I also dont care if he starts or not, you can have a damn nice career playing 25-30 min off the bench and carrying the offensive load again 2nd units

I really dont see another big trade incoming...we could possibly move Lamb for a PG or something but a move like that is about the extent

Either way, Im pretty happy with the rosters current makup barring a backup PG or staggering minutes so Monk guards the backup PGs and plays with Nic/Frank

15-18 minutes in a solid playoff rotation is pretty impressive and really valuable for a 19 year old. I actually would be surprised if he plays less than 12mpg with our current roster construction (with a PG added) and I think 18-20 might be his upper limit. Hes really athletic, confident, and can shoot, so I'm not going to rule anything out, though.

[fatlever]

I could see Monk getting Lamb's minutes with Lamb getting Marco's minutes.

[Mystical Apples]

Monk is essentially a lock to suck -- only the depth and duration of the suckiness are really in question. The goal is replacement level production by All-Star break but realistically not until 2018-19.

I'll go with 1300 minutes on an early Q2/Q4 rotation.

[Braggins]

Monk is essentially a lock to suck -- only the depth and duration of the suckiness are really in question. The goal is replacement level production by All-Star break but realistically not until 2018-19.

I'll go with 1300 minutes on an early Q2/Q4 rotation.

I'm hoping he looks good while sucking and has some scoring outbursts.

[TheKingofSting]

Monk is essentially a lock to suck -- only the depth and duration of the suckiness are really in question. The goal is replacement level production by All-Star break but realistically not until 2018-19.

I'll go with 1300 minutes on an early Q2/Q4 rotation.

Tongue-in-cheek? Please tell me tongue-in-cheek.


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[yosemiteben]

Monk is essentially a lock to suck -- only the depth and duration of the suckiness are really in question. The goal is replacement level production by All-Star break but realistically not until 2018-19.

I'll go with 1300 minutes on an early Q2/Q4 rotation.

Tongue-in-cheek? Please tell me tongue-in-cheek.


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He's 19. Of course it's not.

[TheKingofSting]

Take the range of minutes you expect from Monk, take 30% from the low end, and that's what he'll have. He's not going to start or be a huge part of our rotation as a 19 year old rookie.

I don't know that your narrative there holds well against what Cliff has actually done. Here are the numbers in MGP

Year 1
Vonleh - 10.4
PJ - 15.3
Cody - 17.3
Frank - 21.1

Year 2
PJ - 19.5
Cody - 24
Frank - 26.1

To me it looks like rookie playing time under Cliff is driven by a combination of how good the player is and how much he needs someone to play minutes at that spot.

Last year Marco was given 24 MPG.

Given all that I expect that Monk will average more than PJ (15.3) but less than Frank (21.1). My prediction is 18 MPG.

It'd be a damn shame to play an All-Rookie first team talent so little.


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[TheKingofSting]

Monk is essentially a lock to suck -- only the depth and duration of the suckiness are really in question. The goal is replacement level production by All-Star break but realistically not until 2018-19.

I'll go with 1300 minutes on an early Q2/Q4 rotation.

I'm hoping he looks good while sucking and has some scoring outbursts.

The outbursts will come but watch Cliff sub him out right whenever he catches fire.



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[TheKingofSting]

Monk is essentially a lock to suck -- only the depth and duration of the suckiness are really in question. The goal is replacement level production by All-Star break but realistically not until 2018-19.

I'll go with 1300 minutes on an early Q2/Q4 rotation.

Tongue-in-cheek? Please tell me tongue-in-cheek.


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He's 19. Of course it's not.

I think you guys greatly underestimate Mr. Monk and his shooting / scoring ability not to mention range. I mean the dude is a Top 5-6 talent that we were lucky to draft.


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[Mystical Apples]

Monk is essentially a lock to suck -- only the depth and duration of the suckiness are really in question. The goal is replacement level production by All-Star break but realistically not until 2018-19.

I'll go with 1300 minutes on an early Q2/Q4 rotation.

Tongue-in-cheek? Please tell me tongue-in-cheek.


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It really has nothing to do with Monk. His age, position, size, and non-defensive profile is a difficult combination for year 1 performance. Going back to 1990 there are *nine* < 6'7" wings his age who logged 500 minutes, 26 players if Kobe (18 years) and all 20-year-olds are included.

Average minutes (all 26 players): 1370

19 yr. rookie average BPM: -3.3 (less than Treveon, Briante, and Troy Daniels in '15-16)

20 yr. rookie average BPM: -2.3 (below rotation level)

19 + 20 average: -2.8