Re: Darvin Hams future as a Lakers head coach is in serious peril.
Posted: Tue Apr 30, 2024 8:52 pm
He should be fired for the fact that he saves all his challenges and take them home with him. Dude thinks they’re Pokémon.
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Easiest piece to replace....much tougher to trade players for equal value.chilluminati wrote:No coach is safe today. They're the meat shield, the first line of defense when ish hits the fan. Whether its the coaches fault or not, they're gonna blame him.
In-N-Out 247 wrote:MagicMatic wrote:Serious question.
Why did they fire Frank Vogel in the first place?
They won a bubble championship with him and Lakers fans will argue it was legitimate.. OK.
They lose in 20-21 to a very good Suns team in the first round after some extremely questionable roster decisions.
They then fire him after a season where Lebron plays 50 games and AD plays 40..
Whats the point of firing Vogel if you have championship aspirations and Darvin Ham is seriously the best you can do as a replacement? Guy was a lifelong assistant with no prior head coaching experience ready to pretend he knows what hes doing in the playoffs? Why?
Yeah, Vogel isnt a great coach... but you fired him for a nobody after he won you a championship?
He lost control of that team, they stopped listening to him and he basically stopped trying. Trading for Westbrook was one of the dumbest trades of recent memory so hard to fully blame him. Thinking about that deal and the Beal trade, poor guy was on the receiving end of some really bad decisions by management.
SK21209 wrote:In-N-Out 247 wrote:MagicMatic wrote:Serious question.
Why did they fire Frank Vogel in the first place?
They won a bubble championship with him and Lakers fans will argue it was legitimate.. OK.
They lose in 20-21 to a very good Suns team in the first round after some extremely questionable roster decisions.
They then fire him after a season where Lebron plays 50 games and AD plays 40..
Whats the point of firing Vogel if you have championship aspirations and Darvin Ham is seriously the best you can do as a replacement? Guy was a lifelong assistant with no prior head coaching experience ready to pretend he knows what hes doing in the playoffs? Why?
Yeah, Vogel isnt a great coach... but you fired him for a nobody after he won you a championship?
He lost control of that team, they stopped listening to him and he basically stopped trying. Trading for Westbrook was one of the dumbest trades of recent memory so hard to fully blame him. Thinking about that deal and the Beal trade, poor guy was on the receiving end of some really bad decisions by management.
Yeah, a few things can be true at the same time. The front office treated Vogel like a lame duck in 2022 by making him coach out his deal. He was given not only an awful roster after the Russ trade, but also one that just does not work with how Vogel likes to coach defense. But even despite the circumstances, Vogel did a bad job in 2022. He started a completely washed DeAndre Jordan next to Russ, LeBron, and AD on opening night in the year 2021. He tried to turn THT into a 3&D wing. He kept Austin on the fringes of the rotation when he was pretty clearly the 3rd best guard on the team from the jump. If LeBron, AD and Russ could ever have worked, it required creative thinking/scheming offensively and Vogel just isn't capable of that.
Vogel never made sense with Phoenix's roster construction either, and he frankly did a pretty good job getting them to defend as well as they did in the regular season. He should go to a young, athletic team that needs to build a defensive foundation.
MagicMatic wrote:SK21209 wrote:In-N-Out 247 wrote:
He lost control of that team, they stopped listening to him and he basically stopped trying. Trading for Westbrook was one of the dumbest trades of recent memory so hard to fully blame him. Thinking about that deal and the Beal trade, poor guy was on the receiving end of some really bad decisions by management.
Yeah, a few things can be true at the same time. The front office treated Vogel like a lame duck in 2022 by making him coach out his deal. He was given not only an awful roster after the Russ trade, but also one that just does not work with how Vogel likes to coach defense. But even despite the circumstances, Vogel did a bad job in 2022. He started a completely washed DeAndre Jordan next to Russ, LeBron, and AD on opening night in the year 2021. He tried to turn THT into a 3&D wing. He kept Austin on the fringes of the rotation when he was pretty clearly the 3rd best guard on the team from the jump. If LeBron, AD and Russ could ever have worked, it required creative thinking/scheming offensively and Vogel just isn't capable of that.
Vogel never made sense with Phoenix's roster construction either, and he frankly did a pretty good job getting them to defend as well as they did in the regular season. He should go to a young, athletic team that needs to build a defensive foundation.
Just seems like a weird decision when he just helped you win a championship 2 years ago. It doesn't help that the roster was borderline insane with multiple guys injured throughout that season.
I would understand hiring Nurse, Bud, Doc, type of coach... but Ham? Makes no sense with championship aspirations in a short timeframe. Just another coach taking the fall for front office and superstar shortcomings. They didnt even have a real coach to replace him.
azcatz11 wrote:Everyone is saying JJ Redick
SK21209 wrote:
The front office treated him horribly, but I kind of get moving on to Vogel. From the moment LeBron came to LA they wanted three stars. They went after Kawhi and Butler in the summer of 2019, obviously traded for Westbrook, wanted Kyrie and may want Trae Young now. When Kawhi spurned them in 2019 they pivoted and signed a bunch of defensive-minded role players and leaned into their size and physicality. That kind of team is perfect for Vogel. But they clearly did that as a Plan B and wanted to become a more offense-oriented 3-star team, and Vogel is not the right coach for that model. I think pivoting to that model was/is wrong, but if that's what you're going to do I agree with moving on from Vogel.
MagicMatic wrote:Serious question.
Why did they fire Frank Vogel in the first place?
They won a bubble championship with him and Lakers fans will argue it was legitimate.. OK.
They lose in 20-21 to a very good Suns team in the first round after some extremely questionable roster decisions.
They then fire him after a season where Lebron plays 50 games and AD plays 40..
Whats the point of firing Vogel if you have championship aspirations and Darvin Ham is seriously the best you can do as a replacement? Guy was a lifelong assistant with no prior head coaching experience ready to pretend he knows what hes doing in the playoffs? Why?
Yeah, Vogel isnt a great coach... but you fired him for a nobody after he won you a championship?
Quattro wrote:How come Pelinka never needs to take accountability for anything? At a minimum, he keeps hiring apparently terrible coaches.
dockingsched wrote:Quattro wrote:How come Pelinka never needs to take accountability for anything? At a minimum, he keeps hiring apparently terrible coaches.
Can’t blame Pelinka for not being able to get coaches the Buss’ aren’t willing to pay. Lue would’ve been the Lakers coach and had the job but the ownership didn’t meet his contract demands that the clippers easily gave him.
Underreported issue for years is that the Lakers don’t spend much outside player salary, symptom of a family run business whose only income is the lakers themselves.
Quattro wrote:How come Pelinka never needs to take accountability for anything? At a minimum, he keeps hiring apparently terrible coaches.
Apologies for the double post. My point was more towards roster construction than his coaching hires. It's easy to keep blaming coaches for the Lakers failures but nobody realistically thought they were title contenders going into the playoffs.dockingsched wrote:Quattro wrote:How come Pelinka never needs to take accountability for anything? At a minimum, he keeps hiring apparently terrible coaches.
To respond differently to this double post, lakers have hired two head coaches under Pelinka, Vogel that led them to a title, and Ham. “Keeps hiring”?