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I was watching this live and wondered why no one, commentators, players, refs!, made a big deal about it. Felt like I was taking crazy pills!

Same. I'm pretty much the last guy on earth to complain about travels not getting called in the NBA, but I did a spit take watching that. It's one thing to pick up on the gather so you get that semi-third step, but that was like a comedy skit. He picked up his dribble outside the 3-point line.

Read the rules on the gather step.

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I was watching this live and wondered why no one, commentators, players, refs!, made a big deal about it. Felt like I was taking crazy pills!

Same. I'm pretty much the last guy on earth to complain about travels not getting called in the NBA, but I did a spit take watching that. It's one thing to pick up on the gather so you get that semi-third step, but that was like a comedy skit. He picked up his dribble outside the 3-point line.

That was a gather step on the first. So he went gather one two. What the refs look for is when the ball is in two hands or cradled in the elbow and frozen. When it is just in one hand they don't count it as gathered because of the hesitation move.

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RichieBuckets wrote: I was watching this live and wondered why no one, commentators, players, refs!, made a big deal about it. Felt like I was taking crazy pills!

Same. I'm pretty much the last guy on earth to complain about travels not getting called in the NBA, but I did a spit take watching that. It's one thing to pick up on the gather so you get that semi-third step, but that was like a comedy skit. He picked up his dribble outside the 3-point line.

That was a gather step on the first. So he went gather one two. What the refs look for is when the ball is in two hands or cradled in the elbow and frozen. When it is just in one hand they don't count it as gathered because of the hesitation move.

the hand being "under" the ball has gotten a extremely liberal interpretation which is contributing to the confusion.

a travel is getting from here to there unfairly within the context of the D being handcuffed and shackled

People get caught up in the steps, usually what is the most contentious is the gather. You could theoretically go from one basket to the other basket if you are "gathering" the entire time. There is no strict mechanical interpretation of the gather.

In that famous Corey Brewer clip, he bats the ball down and then palms it and then collects it. All those steps happened during the process of gathering. As long as officials are "whatever" on gathering, the # of total steps on a move is almost irrelevant.

prophet_of_rage wrote:Read the rules on the gather step.

prophet_of_rage wrote:That was a gather step on the first.

So he went gather one two.

Am I the only one who counts four steps before the dunk?

Unfortunately everything that helps the offense is what the NBA has become all about and defense is getting fazed out as its just not a fair playing feild. Its a real shame, Silver likes crazy high scores for casual ratings and the game is compromised and pretty much becoming a 3pt shootout.

Jamaaliver wrote:

prophet_of_rage wrote:Read the rules on the gather step.

prophet_of_rage wrote:That was a gather step on the first.

So he went gather one two.

Am I the only one who counts four steps before the dunk?

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what makes the "gather" possible is the liberal interpretation of carrying

the carry gives the gather permission

Carrying these days i feel is more of an issue than traveling, and it's getting worse.

Either it is a carry or a travel. If it is neither, then this is not basketball just NBA

I haven't read this thread...

But I'm going to assume every1 has different answers...

And that's the problem...

Just saw this video.

CIN-C-STAR wrote:The first step he uses to push off into his 1-2 step back is treated as a gather step, even though yes it technically was after the gather.
In the NBA you get a 3rd step called a gather step, where by rule they don't count the step that occurs with the gather. However, even that lax rule gets enforced laxly, like here, so you can gather and then take 3 steps so long as the first step occurs reasonably soon after the gather.
Bit convoluted and technical, but basically yeah the NBA isn't in the business of enforcing rules anymore, they're in the business of letting guys do whatever it takes to get more buckets so they can push the narrative that the skill level is eons ahead of what it was even 10 years ago.

The toe tap ensures that the foot work allows this. This has been the rule for decades, but the mba clarified it a few years ago. Players were just kneecapping themselves with lack of knowledge. Many of the moves of early lebron that people complained about were in fact legal moves. Like the infamous botched game winner against Washington like 6 years ago comes to mind right away

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prophet_of_rage wrote:

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Same. I'm pretty much the last guy on earth to complain about travels not getting called in the NBA, but I did a spit take watching that. It's one thing to pick up on the gather so you get that semi-third step, but that was like a comedy skit. He picked up his dribble outside the 3-point line.

That was a gather step on the first. So he went gather one two. What the refs look for is when the ball is in two hands or cradled in the elbow and frozen. When it is just in one hand they don't count it as gathered because of the hesitation move.

the hand being "under" the ball has gotten a extremely liberal interpretation which is contributing to the confusion.

The hand under the ball doesn't even matter any more in the gather. That's problematic, true, but it is what it is. So long as there is no dribble after the hand uis placed under the ball there will not be a gather counted.

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prophet_of_rage wrote:Read the rules on the gather step.

prophet_of_rage wrote:That was a gather step on the first.

So he went gather one two.

Am I the only one who counts four steps before the dunk?

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How many steps.do you count after he has the ball in two hands?

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I love the NBA but the NBA has a far more liberal definition of travel than any basketball league in the world. Players can make it from half court to the hoop on one bounce. Basically in the NBA a travel will only be called if the ball handler blatantly fumbles without any defender interference the handle.

All the other components of travelying: carrying, number of steps, gathering have been eliminated by the NBA.

And I don't say this with anger. American basketball fans have made very clear that when they watch a basketball game they want to see super athletic players face up and dunk the ball. that's what has brought fans into the sport. And the NBA's rule book is designed to give the fans what they want.

Take carrying as an example. If the NBA actually rigourously enforced the carry rules it would be way harder for a 7 fter to face up and play de facto point. You could just put a smaller player on them and force either travels or steals every time they dribbled. But with the NBA's legalization of carrying 7 fters being point guards is very viable.

What makes it worse is that you've got InstaBros out there making videos about all these sweet moves they do that are clearly travels, but justifying them in some weird way that is confusing the masses...