Idea how to make referees better

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Re: Idea how to make referees better 

Post#41 » by pass first » Mon May 3, 2010 10:50 pm

Desmond24 wrote:Take any game and it is evident the officials have more accuracte and correct calls/non-calls than bad ones.

Doesn't mean anything. Most drivers get home safely 99,99 % of the time but they're not all great drivers, or safe drivers.
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Re: Idea how to make referees better 

Post#42 » by Edrees » Mon May 3, 2010 10:58 pm

the guys at foot locker can probably do a better job officiating than the current refs. why not hire them for minimum wage and use the extra cash to train them to consistently make the same calls year long?
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Re: Idea how to make referees better 

Post#43 » by KOBE_PAUER » Mon May 3, 2010 11:08 pm

Refs are not the problem. Stern is. He has turned the NBA into the biggest joke after WWE. Winning on the road is almost impossible with 2 teams tied in quality.
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Re: Idea how to make referees better 

Post#44 » by lakerhater » Mon May 3, 2010 11:45 pm

Alyosha12 wrote:I was thinking how referees could be made to ref better.
What if after every game both coaches and assistant coaches as well as the game delegate would grade the refs from 1-100.

So even if the ref would be in favour of 1 team he would get a 100 from that team but it wouldn't help his average because the other team would give him a 1 and the delegate would have to be objective. It would be best for him to try and do a good job by both teams because his score would be greater.

After all the points would be tallied at the end of the season the best refs would be ranked based on score and the ones with the best score would get a pay bump plus some award for example, and the worse would get a pay cut or if the score would be very low they would be investigated and even fired.


So much wrong in so many of these posts so I'll only reference the OP.

The problem with your idea is that the coaches don't know the rules well enough to be critics. You're asking for more of a disaster than is already happening.

As is each referee must write a paragraph explaining why he blew the whistle on every call. They do this after each game and the league reviews it.

Also, does this mean refs should be able to criticize coaching decisions such as rotations or play calls? Those things lose games as much as perceived bad calls.
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Re: Idea how to make referees better 

Post#45 » by jcldallas24 » Tue May 4, 2010 12:13 am

How about them pre-season refs? they we're pretty good called every single foul...lol now if they would just cut out the the ticky-tacky fouls and we would have the perfect referees that aren't influenced by anybody yet because they're rookies...
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Re: Idea how to make referees better 

Post#46 » by Desmond24 » Tue May 4, 2010 12:56 am

pass first wrote:
Desmond24 wrote:Take any game and it is evident the officials have more accuracte and correct calls/non-calls than bad ones.

Doesn't mean anything. Most drivers get home safely 99,99 % of the time but they're not all great drivers, or safe drivers.


If you had video evidence of their driving and then critiqued that you would come up with a better answer as to if they are great or safe drivers. In that instance, any infractions would be cited. Now take each block driven or mile or whatever other criteria and determine how long that driver goes without a driving infraction or violation to determine how good of a driver they are. Otherwise this analogy doesn't fit.

In evaluating officials, you can determine if the call or non-call was correct or not. What fans do is take the bad or percieved bad calls and determine how often those happen. They don't take into account that for the two bad calls, there were 8 correct ones (and that is being generous on the side of officials' error).

Better one is airplane crashes. They are few and far between. But to those involved obviously it's detrimental and that's why they are covered on the news. Still the safest mode of transportation, but if involved in one or knew someone killed in a crash, you might disagree very strongly. Evidence doesn't support your argument in that case but it is understandable what your opinion is of airplane crashes
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Re: Idea how to make referees better 

Post#47 » by Sofia » Tue May 4, 2010 1:05 am

KOBE_PAUER wrote:Winning on the road is almost impossible with 2 teams tied in quality.

How much did Cavs win by in LA this year? I'm just sayin'...
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Re: Idea how to make referees better 

Post#48 » by Alyosha12 » Tue May 4, 2010 8:55 am

lakerhater wrote:
Alyosha12 wrote:I was thinking how referees could be made to ref better.
What if after every game both coaches and assistant coaches as well as the game delegate would grade the refs from 1-100.

So even if the ref would be in favour of 1 team he would get a 100 from that team but it wouldn't help his average because the other team would give him a 1 and the delegate would have to be objective. It would be best for him to try and do a good job by both teams because his score would be greater.

After all the points would be tallied at the end of the season the best refs would be ranked based on score and the ones with the best score would get a pay bump plus some award for example, and the worse would get a pay cut or if the score would be very low they would be investigated and even fired.


So much wrong in so many of these posts so I'll only reference the OP.

The problem with your idea is that the coaches don't know the rules well enough to be critics. You're asking for more of a disaster than is already happening.

As is each referee must write a paragraph explaining why he blew the whistle on every call. They do this after each game and the league reviews it.

Also, does this mean refs should be able to criticize coaching decisions such as rotations or play calls? Those things lose games as much as perceived bad calls.



ROFL are you being serious right now? Coaches, don't know the rules well enough? So the people who have devoted their whole life to teaching basketball, make a living off of knowing how basketball works, don't even know the rules of basketball? Its not rocket science ffs. That's typical ref propaganda, to get them off the hook. You can just see two refs talking after the game one saying to the other don't be mad the coach screamed in your ear the whole game, he has no idea what the rules really are LOL.

Get real. Coaches know as much about basketball rules as refs do and to claim otherwise is just ridiculous.

Also no smart guy coaches decisions do not influence the work of the refs, it doesn' matter if a coachs goes small or big, playes zone or man to men, ISOs or doubles that doesn't influence the work of the refs. The work of the refs however influence coaching decisions a lot.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if you were a ref, the kind of bull you are spewing tbh...
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Re: Idea how to make referees better 

Post#49 » by mike_miller » Tue May 4, 2010 1:33 pm

^ so then refs no as much about coaching as coaches do?

you ever see a ref talking to a coach after a call is made..or not made...hes explaining the rules to the coach..

smart guy.
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Re: Idea how to make referees better 

Post#50 » by Alyosha12 » Tue May 4, 2010 2:35 pm

mike_miller wrote:^ so then refs no as much about coaching as coaches do?

you ever see a ref talking to a coach after a call is made..or not made...hes explaining the rules to the coach..

smart guy.


ROFL he's not explaining the rules to him he is explaining why he ruled the way he ruled, the reason for the call not the call itself. For example if a player under the basket is holding the offensive player and that player can't catch the pass, the ref is gonna call a foul. The coach didn't see that the player was holding the other guy, and goes nuts, the ref then doesn't explain to the coach that holding is illegal but that he was holding him and that's why he made the call you nincompoop. Hahah you actually thought the refs were explaining the rules to the coach ROFL that's just sad.

And no smart guy, a coach and a ref are two very different things. If you know and understand the rules of the game, that doesn't mean you can actually coach the game. But you have to understand the rules of the game to coach it do you get it?
Every ref knows the rules inside out, but they don't know the tactics of the game, they don't know when and who to double, to come up with game strategy, to make adjustments in said strategy during the game, to use all his players properly, to know when to go small and when to go big, to spot and abuse the weak defender, to know when to play zone and when to play 1on1, to know which player to put in the game at what time, to evaluate talent and use it...etc.

That i had to explain that is sad in its self. If you don't understand that a coach NEEDS to understand the rules to be able to coach, but that knowing the rules is not nearly enough, well then you are simply dumb i am sorry.
You don't need to understand basketball to be a ref, you just need to know the rule book, but if you think that knowing the rules helps you understand basketball, well then... :lol:

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