Hollinger : Kobe is Finals MVP win or lose

Cqc_Nastyn8 · Post #21 » by **Cqc_Nastyn8** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 7:45 am

Guys just don't even listen or read anything Hollinger syas.Same goes for Bayless they are both just (Please Use More Appropriate Word). This is the guy who picked suns to beat us in 6? WOW

Dupp · Post #22 » by **Dupp** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:23 am

kobethegoat wrote:How stupid is Hollinger. I was convinced that he knew nothing about basketball previously but this just seals the deal.

Kobe will spit on the Finals MVP trophy is he got it in a losing effort.

Jordan23Forever wrote:Kobe has not played nearly well enough to even consider giving the FMVP to a member of the losing team. 30/6/4/43% (or whatever his stats are) is good, but not otherworldly. If he put up 38/8/8/49%, we could talk.

who gets it though. name names.

That Nicka · Post #23 » by **That Nicka** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:35 am

Well Kobe has been the best player and easily. It would be awkward but not ridiculous imo...

Jordan23Forever · Post #24 » by **Jordan23Forever** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:41 am

LMAO @ Kobe fans thinking that Kobe can/should win Finals MVP on a losing team. :lol:

Hysterical.

TheHartBreakKid · Post #25 » by **TheHartBreakKid** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:04 am

Jordan23Forever wrote:LMAO @ Kobe fans thinking that Kobe can/should win Finals MVP on a losing team. Hysterical.

LMAO @ you and your paranoia. Even Kobethegoat who is the biggest notorious Kobe homer said that Kobe shouldn't get it. 1 fan on the first page brought up a good point by posting stats of the top 4 boston players, none of which are truly impressive enough for finals mvp. Another fan on this page merely said "it wouldnt be ridiculous" if it happened and you go and bring up this LMAO @ kobe fans bull. Which kobe fans? Yeah He said "It wouldn't be ridiculous"..Where does that translate into "Kobe should get finals mvp on a losing team". The only thing hysterical is your man-love for jordan and paranoia that kobe will over take him. (You could relax...Kobe will go down as top 5 but Jordans legacy is safe for the near future). Sorry for the rant but posters whose only purpose for being on realgm is to nut-hug/hate on a certain players piss me off.

Personally I would rather see the boston big four get co-mvps than Kobe. No doubt his performance has been better than everyone else, but clearly in this hypothetical situation..it wansn't enough to get the W so why put everyone in an awkward situation. The finals MVP has been an extra icing on the cake that is the NBA championship...There is no point of giving Kobe the icing if he doesn't have the cake (LMAO so that analogy was kinda ghey...meh)

Mamba Venom · Post #26 » by **Mamba Venom** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 9:37 am

You know West got it because after a few losses the public wanted the guy that left everything on the floor to win something and there was no clear cut MVP on the other team

I can see where Hollinger was coming from. Do you think Kobe even wants the award if he loses.

Dupp · Post #27 » by **Dupp** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:39 am

Jordan23Forever wrote:LMAO @ Kobe fans thinking that Kobe can/should win Finals MVP on a losing team. Hysterical.

WHO GETS IT THEN?

seriously is it so outragous? i know its not something that really happends in basketball but it is best player of the finals award after all.

say lakers win or lose by a point, is that one point enough to say he doesnt deserve it when theres no standouts on teh other team.

JordansBulls · Post #28 » by **JordansBulls** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 11:46 am

Only Pierce IMO can get it on Boston. No one else on that team even averages 15 ppg.

cb4_89 · Post #29 » by **cb4_89** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:08 pm

Jordan23Forever wrote:
AlciG wrote:RA: 15/3/2
KG: 15/6/3
PP: 18/4/3
RR: 14/6/7

Who gets your vote then?

A member of the winning team. The question is not whether Kobe has outplayed any single player on the Celtics (he has), but whether he has played well enough to buck a 50 year old trend of awarding FMVP to a member of the winning team (he hasn't - not nearly).

The question is have the any of the celtics played well enough to deserve a finals MVP award.

Dupp · Post #30 » by **Dupp** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:11 pm

he hasnt been to great, last two games have been his best

Tim_Hardawayy · Post #31 » by **Tim_Hardawayy** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:14 pm

John Hollinger wrote:
There's an irony here, of course. I mentioned above that only one player has won Finals MVP in a losing effort; it was Bryant's idol and mentor, former Lakers star Jerry West. Wait, there's more. It came in the 1969 Finals … against the Celtics … against a veteran Boston team, in fact, that had won only 48 games and was seeded just fourth in the Eastern Conference at the start of the playoffs. L.A. ended up losing Game 7 at home despite 42 points, 13 rebounds and 12 assists from West.

Hollinger is an idiot, that is not irony, it is coincidence. Why do so many people mix those two up?

FinalsMVP · Post #32 » by **FinalsMVP** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 12:43 pm

Jordan23Forever wrote:
AlciG wrote:RA: 15/3/2
KG: 15/6/3
PP: 18/4/3
RR: 14/6/7

Who gets your vote then?

A member of the winning team. The question is not whether Kobe has outplayed any single player on the Celtics (he has), but whether he has played well enough to buck a 50 year old trend of awarding FMVP to a member of the winning team (he hasn't - not nearly).

Really? Why is it not enough to buck a trend. Kobe Bryant is FAR and AWAY the best player on the floor in the finals. You mechanical distinction ignores the fact that every team is created different. Other than Kobe's FG%, his play HAS been otherworldly. There's no other way to look at it. And the Celtics defense is simply incredible. Why would you expect Kobe to shoot 49% in the NBA finals as a perimeter player?

So, if you're going to cite to a trend, then show me where a player on the losing team played similarly to Kobe Bryant and the players on the winning team played similarly poorly to Pierce, Allen, Garnett and Rondo. Otherwise your suggestion that Kobe is not playing well enough to justify it is just some arbitrary point that you pulled out of your butt.

Personally, I think it is going to be a moot point, but that you continue to make stupid arguments that expose your irrational dislike for the guy is just amusing.

RealRip32 · Post #33 » by **RealRip32** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:02 pm

shrek and donkey should be co MVPs win or lose

Dedicated_76ers_fan · Post #34 » by **Dedicated_76ers_fan** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:12 pm

Rajon Rondo gets my vote if the C's win game 7. I actually expect, think he'll have a big game tommorow.

Rondo's the only reason the C's are in the Finals. He'll break out again.

hironimus · Post #35 » by **hironimus** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:12 pm

on the other hand, if pierce gets his second finals mvp, it puts the trophy itself to a shame. there is no way he deserves this one. if kobe plays decent and celtics win game 7 through team effort, he should be the mvp. if either of the 4 celts does heroic clutch performance in game 7, one could consider him.

i guess we just have to wait what game 7 brings to the table. i still have the lakers winning it all, so all this talk is nonsense

Typhoon20 · Post #36 » by **Typhoon20** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 1:15 pm

LA are gonna win the championship and Kobe is going to be MVP so this thread is pointless.

Post #37 » by **dockingsched** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 2:31 pm

Jordan23Forever wrote:LMAO @ Kobe fans thinking that Kobe can/should win Finals MVP on a losing team. Hysterical.

what thread are you reading?

MasterRyu · Post #38 » by **MasterRyu** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:21 pm

Just no. Kobe has definitely been playing hard. Although he's had horrible games shooting wise, he's put up the effort that's required of a leader (learn that , Lebron). He's been hustling, grabbing rebounds, getting steals, and is not afraid to take big shots (and miss them too). This, however, is not enough to give him the MVP if the Lakers lost. His numbers are not otherworldly enough. I feel like he needs to drop something like 35+, 7, 7, on 45+% shooting for someone to evey consider it.

If anything, if the celtics win, they should just do a CO-mvp and give it to Pierce/Rondo or Pierce/Garnett.

Plus, you'd see a HUGE outrage from Boston fans and Kobe haters if Kobe won it in a losing series. Lol, the Kobe hate would go off the charts.

Also, if the Lakers won it, and Gasol continues to dominate, I'd even consider CO-mvp for Bryant and Gasol.

yongaz · Post #39 » by **yongaz** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:29 pm

dcash4 wrote:
Jordan23Forever wrote:LMAO @ Kobe fans thinking that Kobe can/should win Finals MVP on a losing team. Hysterical.

what thread are you reading?

It would not be J23F if he didn't do his obligatory ROFL / LMAO / :rofl:

/ LOL - ING in all Kobe related threads, regardless of how stupid he might sound... The man needs his fix so just be nice to him and let him be.

Gus McCrae · Post #40 » by **Gus McCrae** » Wed Jun 16, 2010 3:34 pm

MasterRyu wrote:Just no. Kobe has definitely been playing hard. Although he's had horrible games shooting wise, he's put up the effort that's required of a leader (learn that , Lebron). He's been hustling, grabbing rebounds, getting steals, and is not afraid to take big shots (and miss them too). This, however, is not enough to give him the MVP if the Lakers lost. His numbers are not otherworldly enough. I feel like he needs to drop something like 35+, 7, 7, on 45+% shooting for someone to evey consider it.

If anything, if the celtics win, they should just do a CO-mvp and give it to Pierce/Rondo or Pierce/Garnett.

Plus, you'd see a HUGE outrage from Boston fans and Kobe haters if Kobe won it in a losing series. Lol, the Kobe hate would go off the charts.

Also, if the Lakers won it, and Gasol continues to dominate, I'd even consider CO-mvp for Bryant and Gasol.

The only player who's shown up every single game is Kobe. Whether or not his FG% is acceptable to the realgm crowd really doesn't matter. The fact is, he's averaged about 28 PPG, has never scored under 20 in a game, and is getting blocks, steals, rebounds, assists and all the intangibles. Gasol is not in the discussion at all after what he did in game 5.