Stockton and Malone voted dirtiest players

[Nate505]

There was one game where Stockton blatantly elbowed Matt Maloney in a Jazz-Rockets game 3 times when he was bringing down the ball. It was definitely intentional, and obviously dirty. What's more surprising is, he only got called for the offensive foul after the 3rd elbow.

Well now I'm convinced. In a 19 season career he elbows Matt Maloney in a playoff game and gets an offensive foul called. That's way dirty!

I find it weird that a jazz fan
1. Thinks that was a one time thing
2. Doesn't talk it up as gritty awesomeness instead of playing it down

Iron men who will play physical and elbow people if they can get away with it (or even if they cant.) Sounds awesome to me.

I'd probably complain as an opposing fan but when I'm neutral in the dispute I find it admirable in a questionable ethically sort of way.

I'm not playing it down. I know Stockton held on screens and set hard picks and got his elbows into them. But that's not dirty play to me. Dirty is trying to hurt people, not playing aggressively. This isn't the professional tiddly winks society. It's a physical sport played by grown men. If Stockton were so dirty you'd think he would have hurt someone in his career.

[Jimmy76]

Just different definitions then

Even I would have a problem with someone intentionally trying to seriously hurt someone so I can't disagree

[Donald Kaufman]

Chris Childs' greatest contribution to the NBA was to clock Kobe right on his jaw. Love it.

[TheMartian]

I'm not playing it down. I know Stockton held on screens and set hard picks and got his elbows into them. But that's not dirty play to me. Dirty is trying to hurt people, not playing aggressively. This isn't the professional tiddly winks society. It's a physical sport played by grown men. If Stockton were so dirty you'd think he would have hurt someone in his career.

I'm not talking about sticking an elbow out on a pick. I'm talking about intentionally elbowing another player's chest while bringing down the ball. 3 times. The elbows were intentional, and if that doesn't classify as trying to hurt other people to you, then i don't know what is. Bottom line is, both fans and players alike label Stockton a dirty player, and I agree with them.

Also, there's a difference between playing dirty (Stockton) and being a thug who intentionally tries to really hurt other players (Laimbeer).

[Nate505]

I'm not talking about sticking an elbow out on a pick. I'm talking about intentionally elbowing another player's chest while bringing down the ball. 3 times. The elbows were intentional, and if that doesn't classify as trying to hurt other people to you, then i don't know what is. Bottom line is, both fans and players alike label Stockton a dirty player, and I agree with them.

Also, there's a difference between playing dirty (Stockton) and being a thug who intentionally tries to really hurt other players (Laimbeer).

Yeah, I've heard the puss definition of dirty before, and Stockton definitely qualifies under that definition.

But in a game played by grown men he hardly does. Elbowing a player in the chest? That sort of crap happens in pickup games, and basketball is a physical sport. Players do it all the time even in the pussified age of basketball that is now. And of course there's a difference between Laimbeer and Stockton. The former played dirty, the latter played tough. And plus, a foul was called. Since when is fouling someone "dirty" if it isn't a flagrant? Although to be honest, if there's one player I wish he could have injured it would have been that whiny bitch Maloney, who has taken his skills of being a whiny bitch to the announce booth.

EDIT: Oh my bad, the whiny bitch in the announce booth is Matt Bullard. The Rockets had many of them on their team back in the day.

[Don Draper]

In this past decade

Karl Malone Dr. Elbow award goes to Kobe Bryant
John Stockton Illegal Screen award goes to Kevin Garnett

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sTAMUZxfZA[/youtube]

I really wish you would stop posting.

[Idunkon1stdates]

Karl Malone may not make the list for sheer brutality of his actions,

He crushed a man's skull, ending his playing career and sending him to the ER with a chance of permanent disabilities or even death. He knocked out teeth, squashed balls, and drew more blood than Dracula. Only Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, and other despots can compare to Malone's crimes against humanity.

[darth_federer]

Karl Malone may not make the list for sheer brutality of his actions,

He crushed a man's skull, ending his playing career and sending him to the ER with a chance of permanent disabilities or even death. He knocked out teeth, squashed balls, and drew more blood than Dracula. Only Mao, Pol Pot, Stalin, and other despots can compare to Malone's crimes against humanity.

[Recently]

I'm shocked that the top 10 didn't include any football players like Rodney harrison, Hines ward, Albert haynesworth (or anyone that played on ten) etc.

Not sure why ty cobb led the list, sure hes was a racist, mean-spirited douchebag, but its baseball, there not that many "dirty" things you can do. Top 10 should be populated by football and hockey players only lol.

As for basketball players.... how did bruce bowen not get any votes :/

[stephanieg]

One of my favorite dirty plays ever was when Dr. J, Barkley, and Moses teamed up and beat the crap out of Bird. Can't find the video though. It is SOOOO good. Barkley and Malone held from behind while Dr. J threw 2 or 3 punches to Bird's torso.

And then there's Parish sucker punching Laimbeer. He earned that one though.

Malone pushed Jordan into the pylon on a fastbreak dunk in the late '80s. I remember seeing it in one of those MJ highlight vids. The announcers went nuts.

1:45.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlHiPjzejSk&feature=related[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n1UpffICzs[/youtube]

[Don Draper]

Elbowing a player in the chest? That sort of crap happens in pickup games, and basketball is a physical sport.

In what pickup game would it be okay to elbow someone in the chest and not cause some type of altercation? Put down the NBA2k11 and actually go outside and play basketball.

[jzmagik]

Elbowing a player in the chest? That sort of crap happens in pickup games, and basketball is a physical sport.

In what pickup game would it be okay to elbow someone in the chest and not cause some type of altercation? Put down the NBA2k11 and actually go outside and play basketball.

This guy clearly has never played pickup ball in his life.

[Nate505]

Elbowing a player in the chest? That sort of crap happens in pickup games, and basketball is a physical sport.

In what pickup game would it be okay to elbow someone in the chest and not cause some type of altercation? Put down the NBA2k11 and actually go outside and play basketball.

What sort of pussies do you play with? I play all the time and elbows fly everywhere, typically when the guy with the ball is trying to create space. These aren't elbows like from Double Dragon, and frankly, they aren't painful at all to anyone who's in a reasonable amount of shape. If someone actually went for the head or something it would cause a fight, but elbows to the chest happen all the time.

I'm glad our President isn't a crying vagina:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/01/us/po ... hoops.html

He is gentleman enough to call fouls on himself: Steven Donziger, a law school classmate, has heard Mr. Obama mutter, “my bad,” tossing the other team the ball.

But “he knew how to get in the mix when he needed to,” Mr. Giannoulias said. “There are always elbows, there’s always a little bit of jersey tucking and tugging,” he said, continuing, “Sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do to win.”

OMG, the dirtiest President to ever play the game!!!!!

[Nate505]

Elbowing a player in the chest? That sort of crap happens in pickup games, and basketball is a physical sport.

In what pickup game would it be okay to elbow someone in the chest and not cause some type of altercation? Put down the NBA2k11 and actually go outside and play basketball.

This guy clearly has never played pickup ball in his life.

Apparently not with the level of "competition" that you guys play with. Do you all get together for a group cry and hug when someone breaks a nail?

[Don Draper]

Elbowing a player in the chest? That sort of crap happens in pickup games, and basketball is a physical sport.

In what pickup game would it be okay to elbow someone in the chest and not cause some type of altercation? Put down the NBA2k11 and actually go outside and play basketball.

What sort of pussies do you play with? I play all the time and elbows fly everywhere. If someone actually went for the head or something it would cause a fight, but elbows to the chest happen all the time.

I've played pickup games in many different kinds on places and I can tell you that dudes will go to blows if an intentional elbow is throw. And if someone intentionally elbows you in your chest in a pickup game and you do nothing you are more of pussy than the guy who retaliates.

[Nate505]

I've played pickup games in many different kinds on places and I can tell you that dudes will go to blows if an intentional elbow is throw. And if someone intentionally elbows you in your chest in a pickup game and you do nothing you are more of pussy than the guy who retaliates.

Do you guys weigh 50 pounds or something and can't take a hit in the chest? There are varying degrees of intentional elbows. If someone went Karl Malone on someone, yeah, that would cause a fight. But if someone is using their elbow to clear out space if a guy is up on him too much that's basketball. I've never seen that go to blows, and you are a hotheaded jackass if you retaliate, much like the losers I played with who would cry foul everytime the went to the basket and would want to start a fight if they perceived even the most minimal of contact, like how dare anyone make any contact with their precious little selves.

[BarneyGumble]

Stockton and Malone laid the cultural foundation for why the Jazz teams of today are so successful: you go and get your job done any way you can and you dont make excuses. Its why Williams can take a bunch of second round scrubs into Miami and beat the most hyped team in the league after being down 18 and then go do it again the next night in Orlando after being down 18. The Utah Jazz doesn't make excuses. We'll leave that to all the players and fans who make excuses for getting beaten by the Utah Jazz...because calling them dirty is just an excuse that you feel allows you to admit to being beaten while keeping your balls intact.....

[TheMartian]

Here's what I found on the web:

Were Stockton and Malone Dirty?

The perception was that Stockton was a bit chippy (true) and that Malone was a bit nasty. And it was true. Stockton perfected the art of the moving screen but had rare occasions you could point to where he hurt someone (the one exception being in the 1997 playoffs when he broke Matt Maloney’s nose with an elbow). Malone, however, has quite a body count:

-In 1991-92, Malone leveled Isiah Thomas and opening up his temple with an elbow.

-In 1997-98, Malone elbows David Robinson in forehead, knocking him out with a concussion.

-In the late 1990s (I can’t find when) Malone elbows Shawn Bradley in the face, leaving him bloodied.

So, yeah, they were pretty tough.

http://hoopsanalyst.com/blog/?p=137

Apparently Stockton broke Maloney's nose with his elbow. Not sure if this was the incident I was referring to about Stockton elbowing Maloney, because I seem to remember the elbows to the chest and not the face. That was 13 years ago, so yeah that might have been it.