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Re: Reggie Miller 5 times All Star Only?? 

Post#41 » by Luv those Knicks » Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:05 am

croz24 wrote:for someone who's been watching basketball since before reggie, G35 you sure as hell don't sound like you watched much pacers basketball in the 90s. reggie was THE leader on one of the best teams in the 1990s surrounded by a bunch of role players. reggie didn't have a pippen or stockton or kobe by his side and yet he still lead the pacers to 5 ECFs appearances and was a key player in a 6th ECF. 3 of those ECFs went to game 7s against the likes of a shaq led magic, ewing led knicks, and jordan led bulls. and yet a ray allen bucks squad filled with all stars like cassell and robinson could never get by reggie's pacers. people also need to udnerstand that reggie DEFERRED. he just did not attempt many shots outside of the team system that guys like allen, richmond, iverson, jordan would. the only time in reggie's career he attempted over 15fga at 15.7fga he averaged 25ppg. meanwhile guys like jordan NEVER attempted that few fga. reggie is closer to being the most underrated player in the game than overrated. what help did he have on the pacers? the pacers were an average talent team yet he willed them to long playoff runs year after year. and when asked to score, only jordan could take over a game like reggie could. amazing that reggie's unselfishness has led people to question is scoring ability. also don't forget reggie ranks top 50 all time in steals and spg and was a very solid team defender which many who didn't watch him seem not to understand.


Reggie had help. It was just an odd collection of talent.

He had the Davis Twins (Dale and Antonio)and Rick Smiths who was no slouch, and he usually had a good 6th man. Detlef and later, Derek McKey, and the Pacers usually had a good helpful bunch of role players kind of like the Bucks have this year/last year.

If you were to ask a bunch of GMs at the time, or if you were to ask Ray Allen himself, who you'd rather have around you.


Rick Smits, Antonio & Dale Davis, Detlef/Derek

or

Glenn (big Chiwawa) Robinson, Tim (shooting guard) Thomas, Sam Cassell, Antony (Me myself and Mason) (I know I'm mixing years, cause I'm not sure Cassell coincided with Tim Thomas)


But, honestly, I can't say that Reggie had a worse supporting cast than Ray Allen when he was with the Bucks. I think Reggie had a better supporting cast.

Reggie may have had a better supporting cast than Prime Ewing too.


Smits/Davis/Davis/McKey

vs.

Oakley/Starks/Mason/Harper


If you figure that Davis/Davis and Oakley Mason are a wash

then it's Smiths/McKey vs. Starks/Harper


I give a slight edge to Smits/McKey, though I like Derek Harper a lot, but rick Smits was a good player and Mckey was way smarter than Starks and a good 6th man.


I think reggie's supporting cast is underrated.

and, I also think reggie was better than 5 allstar games. Not trashing reggie. He was a very good player.
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Re: Reggie Miller 5 times All Star Only?? 

Post#42 » by llllllllllllll » Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:12 am

G35 wrote:Reggie was a great shooter that really didn't shoot all that much. And I mean he wasn't all that accurate either. His insane FT shooting is what brings up his TS%. But he only avg'd 5 FT's over his career and that's with him flailing all the time looking for contact. Wasn't much of a rebounder or playmaker.

I think Ray Allen trumps him in every way but some people like to debate the two and I guess you could on just shooting but that's the only area. And everyone wants to get on Kobe for his overrated clutchness but this guy makes HoF it's because of the Knick series where he went bonkers.

But 18 years and 5 All Stars......come on....


FT shooting helps everybodies TS%. That's why I don't fux with that stat.
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Re: Reggie Miller 5 times All Star Only?? 

Post#43 » by writerman » Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:27 am

G35 wrote:
DreamShakeFTW wrote:
fatlever wrote:reggie was consistently good over a long period of time. however he was rarely great during a given season.

as for all-star games, well usually only 2-3 shooting guards will make each roster and when one spot is guaranteed to jordan (for obvious reasons) that doesnt leave much room for error for anyone else. there was just usually at least 1 other eastern guard having a better year than reggie. plus late 80s early 90s was the most stacked era of the nba.

he was fighting for spots vs all these other dudes

jordan
ainge
dumars
hawkins
pierce
reggie lewis
starks
glen rice
a hardaway
steve smith
iverson
houston
eddie jones
stackhouse
r allen
sprewell
mcgrady
pierce


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Funny how the 12 year olds on here are always trying to say that the 90's were watered down talent wise, and it is soooo much better now...

Extremely funny considering that the TNT analysts the other night couldn't even come up with 12 players that deserved to be in the All Star game in the East this year USING ALL POSITIONS.



Been watching the NBA before Reggie came around. I wouldn't say Reggie is the most efficient shooter around because of his TS%. Yes it is all worldly but his FG% and 3pt% are not other worldly. Ray Allen has similar percentages and shoots a whole lot more. Reggie didn't have the ability to carry a team during the regular season compared to players such as a Ray Allen, Kobe, Wade, Lebron, Erving etc. He also wasn't like a Clyde Drexler who you could seeing carrying a team if he had but deferred. He is just like another poster said, he puts up Kevin Martin type numbers and was a similar type player. Who is talking about Martin for the All Star game?

And that list is suspect. To be an All Star you need to either be a great scorer with at least 20 ppg or doing something like a league leader in assists/rebs/blocks/stls or something. Reggie was only a 20 ppg scorer for 6 years of his career and was putting up avg's of 3 rebs/ 3 assts.

Players on that list that are clearly better than Reggie:

Pierce
Allen
Dumars
Jordan
Hardaway (non injured years)
Iverson
McGrady

You also forgot Isiah, Jeff Malone (a better scorer than Reggie), Nique (no question he's better), Mo Cheeks (a quality PG similar to say Stockton light), Mark Jackson a quality playmaker, Mark Price (comparable to Steve Nash)

Now others on that list:

Hersey Hawkins 1 all star game
Danny Ainge 1 all star game
Starks 1 all star game
Steve Smith 1 all star game
Eddie Jones 3 all star games but 2 came with the Lakers in the WC
Allan Houston 2 All Star games
Glen Rice 3 All Star games (and I personally think is a better player/shooter)
Stackhouse 2 All Star games

So it wasn't like it was a bunch of guys keeping Reggie from making it. These guys were all around the same level.

But whats funny is that Reggies prime didn't coincide during most of these players that he is being compared to. He had plenty of opportunities to make it from 1990-2000 but he just didn't produce the numbers and wasn't a fan favorite enough.....


I can overlook some of the others you put ahead of Reggie, wrong though I think you are. But to say that worthless little chucker Iverson was better than Reggie is just intolerable. Iverson may be one of the most unaccountably and grossly overrated players in the history of the game.

Wilkins was indeed a great athlete--but despite all his highlight reels, he had curiously little effect on his team's success. Hard to put your finger on it, but there was something essential missing in Wilkins that kept him from ever being truly great, HOF or no HOF.

Allen? When did his teams ever do anything of note until he joined the Celtics?

McGrady? Never did squat. Injured all the time, unlike Reggie, another factor that should not be overlooked. A player however talented is no good to you if he's not on the floor. Ditto Hardaway. Durability is a seriously underrated facet of an athlete's total value.

Jeff Malone? Mo Cheeks? You've got to be kidding...

I personally think Reggie's supporting cast in the years the Pacers were always in the playoffs gets way too much credit and Reggie way too little. All of them were journeymen--top tier journeymen, it's true, but journeymen nonetheless. Reggie was clearly the heart, soul, and motor of those teams. Take him off those clubs and you've got teams that would have to really overachieve to sniff the playoffs.
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Post#44 » by sugarscape » Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:51 am

Reggie Miller was my favorite player in the 90's; back then, I thought he was god. But now I realize he wasn't elite. So much fun to watch, but not at all well-rounded. Reggie Lewis, Ray Allen, Iverson, Carter, and McGrady were much better players who simply did more.

And those Pacers teams were stacked. Person, Schrempf, Smits, Richardson, ADavis,DDavis, Jackson, Scott, Fleming, Best, Mullin, McKey, Croshere, Rose. At first, they were a mirror image of the Riley Knicks. Yet never made the Finals. Then they re-loaded and were the favorites to win it all in the lockout year but choked and got spanked by the 8th seeded Knicks.

During that time, they had so many opportunities to beat the big dogs and couldn't do it. Couldn't beat the Celtics early on, then the Knicks (the one time they finally beat NY, they got bounced by Orlando right after) and Bulls (Indy should have beaten Chi in 98). Reggie was the heart and soul of those failures, but is mainly remembered for some clutch performances.

Finally they broke through in 2000, during a down period for the Eastern Conference, and got to the Finals. Big deal.

I still get goose bumps watching Reggie's heroics against NY, but should that be enough to be HOF worthy? I don't see why he should get so much credit for deferring. If he deferred taking shots so that he could hit the o boards more or rack up more assists or put more effort into locking down his man, then that would be one thing, but his deferring was really about letting Mark Jackson get shut down by Scottie Pippen repeatedly.
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Post#45 » by Chrome » Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:56 am

I think market plays a factor too. Indy isn't small by any means, but if Reggie played in New York or Philly, he might have gotten more All-Star bids.
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Post#46 » by LameR » Sun Jan 30, 2011 1:50 am

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I can overlook some of the others you put ahead of Reggie, wrong though I think you are. But to say that worthless little chucker Iverson was better than Reggie is just intolerable. Iverson may be one of the most unaccountably and grossly overrated players in the history of the game.

Wilkins was indeed a great athlete--but despite all his highlight reels, he had curiously little effect on his team's success. Hard to put your finger on it, but there was something essential missing in Wilkins that kept him from ever being truly great, HOF or no HOF.

Allen? When did his teams ever do anything of note until he joined the Celtics?

McGrady? Never did squat. Injured all the time, unlike Reggie, another factor that should not be overlooked. A player however talented is no good to you if he's not on the floor. Ditto Hardaway. Durability is a seriously underrated facet of an athlete's total value.

Jeff Malone? Mo Cheeks? You've got to be kidding...

I personally think Reggie's supporting cast in the years the Pacers were always in the playoffs gets way too much credit and Reggie way too little. All of them were journeymen--top tier journeymen, it's true, but journeymen nonetheless. Reggie was clearly the heart, soul, and motor of those teams. Take him off those clubs and you've got teams that would have to really overachieve to sniff the playoffs.


First off, Reggie was a GREAT player. With that being said, the ASG is about the regular season, so saying McGrady never did anything is pretty ridiculous. He had some insane stats for a while there. Allen and Miller were actually pretty close, the difference being Allen's rebounding and assists were higher. Both of these are just looking at the seasons that McGrady and Allen were in the east, because anything else is pretty irrelevant in this debate.
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Post#47 » by Noodle Arm » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:07 am

Am I the only the only one who chuckled when reading that somebody was shocked Miller ONLY made 5 All-Star Games? I mean, would 6 have pushed him from the good to great category? :lol:
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Post#48 » by NYKBaller » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:25 am

Reggie miller is over rated, that's not coming from me as a knick fan just the plain 'ol truth.
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Re: Reggie Miller 5 times All Star Only?? 

Post#49 » by Nate505 » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:31 am

#1 pick wrote:I remember Reggie leading the Pacers v. the Nets in his last season. Reggie was a gamer, he didn't have the best ability but he was one of the best competitors I've seen in the NBA. He's a HOF without question.

I find it hard to say a player who never even made an all NBA second team is a HOFer no question. Even though I'm sure he'll get it, if he doesn't make it I wouldn't see it as some huge outrage. He certainly has enough on his resume to get in (3 point shots, an ungodly FT percentage, a long solid career, and quite a few memorable moments) but not enough where it should be some sort of immortal lock.
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Post#50 » by big bang bl0w » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:43 am

Who's better Reggie Miller or Joe Johnson? Because there's a very good chance that JJ becomes a 5 time all star next week...
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Post#51 » by catch22 » Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:27 am

BooRadley wrote:Bottom line is he made the PO's and the finals as well. None of those other guys led their team anywhere without a stacked team.

Ray Allen led the Sonic's nowhere. They overachieved one year and were bottom feeders the next. If Reggie is overrated, Ray Allen is waaaaaaay beyond overrated.



Not a fair comparison at all. Reggie Miller had some of the best supporting casts around him in the 90's and earl 00's. Ray Allen had a bunch of crap with the Sonics for the majority of the time he was there.
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Post#52 » by penbeast0 » Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:40 am

Actually there is another reason Reggie gets more love today than when he was playing. As advanced metrics have become better known, Reggie's 3 point shooting and true shooting percentages (he went to the line a lot for a 3 point specialist) became more and more prominent. Reggie is 6th all-time in ts% with all the others being inside scorers. It's as if Kevin Martin played 82 games every year; he'd be touted by some as a potential HOF player too.
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Post#53 » by richboy » Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:54 am

Reggie Miller has become the clear cut most overrated retired player in league history. One of my best threads I've created on this site was "Wow, Reggie Miller got overrated fast". I said that when after he retired he joins the media and suddenly people was talking about him like he was one of the best players of his era.

The Media loves him. Most fans they remember his great heroics against the Knicks. Mark Jackson maybe a week ago said if Reggie Miller wasn't a first ballot HOFer something was wrong. Its questionable if Reggie Miller is a HOFer period.

Reggie Miller not only didn't make all-star teams. He had only 1 all-star birth until the age of 29. Reggie Miller didn't make all-star games because he was not that great. He was beaten in all-stars births by guys that aren't close to HOFers. Coaches picked Hersey Hawkins,Ricky Pierce, Michael Adams, Reggie Lewis over him. Detlef Schrempf made it from the Pacers and he didn't one year. A year later Mookie Blaylock and John Starks made it over him. These are not the greatest players in league history keeping him out of the game. These are above average to good players that were going in front of him.

Now when Michael Jordan retired Reggie was voted in as an all-star. Leaves the possibility that fans liked Reggie Miller more than coaches. He was worse that year than he was the year prior when he didn't make the team. That said I think the perception about Reggie Miller now has changed threw the years. The OP doesn't surprise me. Many fans think Reggie Miller was a perennial all-star. Many fans think he was considered the number 2 SG behind Jordan. Not only young fans but I've heard Ernie Johnson tell Reggie he went to all-star games yearly so it must have gotten boring. Even in Reggie's mind he must be different as a player. I'm not going to say Kevin Martin is as good as Reggie Miller. Although his PER this year is higher than any Reggie Miller season. What amazed me was when Reggie Miller said during a Houston broadcast that Kevin Martin needed to do more things well. That he didn't rebound enough and get enough assist. It dawns on me that Reggie must think he averaged more rebounds and assist per game in his career. He was one of the worst rebounders at SG in the league during his playing days. He provided not much more in passing than Kevin Martin. Yet he was talking like he was a 5 and 5 guy.

Reality is that Reggie was a good scorer that didn't do anything else worth talking about on the basketball court. The fact that he is so liked by the media. The fact he is now part of the media. The fact his best moments come against the Knicks his huge for his HOF chances. This is a big HOF vote IMO. If Reggie Miller and Mark Jackson get in your pretty much saying the likes of Rip Hamilton and Andre Miller should start preparing speaches. Mark Jackson is a one time all-star. You listen to some on Espn if he doesn't make the HOF something is wrong. The only difference between Andre Miller and Mark Jackson is Mark shot the 3. The only difference between Rip Hamilton and Reggie Miller is the 3 point shot and Reggie had some great moments in the playoffs that ended with him loosing. While Rip had good playoffs but nothing that anyone remembers. Please don't give me he the all-time leader in 3 pointers made. One stat doesn't get you in the Hall. Rashard Lewis and Jason Richardson could pass Reggie in 3 pointers and catch Ray Allen one day. It wouldn't make them HOFers.
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Post#54 » by Rccanes2311 » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:08 am

People saying Reggie Miller was overrated are (Please Use More Appropriate Word). There wasn't many in his time that could take a game over like he could. There isn't a player in today's NBA that I'd rather have with the ball in their hands late in a game over prime Reggie Miller.
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Post#55 » by richboy » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:22 am

Rccanes2311 wrote:People saying Reggie Miller was overrated are (Please Use More Appropriate Word). There wasn't many in his time that could take a game over like he could. There isn't a player in today's NBA that I'd rather have with the ball in their hands late in a game over prime Reggie Miller.


Sounds like all you said was Reggie Miller was clutch. Unfortunately there are more aspects to the game before the last seconds.
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Post#56 » by Rccanes2311 » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:50 am

richboy wrote:
Rccanes2311 wrote:People saying Reggie Miller was overrated are (Please Use More Appropriate Word). There wasn't many in his time that could take a game over like he could. There isn't a player in today's NBA that I'd rather have with the ball in their hands late in a game over prime Reggie Miller.


Sounds like all you said was Reggie Miller was clutch. Unfortunately there are more aspects to the game before the last seconds.


It's a lot more than that. There isn't a player in the NBA that would say Reggie Miller isn't an all time great. I'll take their word for it over people on a message board most of which don't give a damn about the defensive side of the ball and never really got to or cared to watch him play. It's as (Please Use More Appropriate Word) as the people who think Kobe or Lebron are even close to Jordan.
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Post#57 » by catch22 » Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:06 am

Rccanes2311 wrote:
richboy wrote:
Rccanes2311 wrote:People saying Reggie Miller was overrated are (Please Use More Appropriate Word). There wasn't many in his time that could take a game over like he could. There isn't a player in today's NBA that I'd rather have with the ball in their hands late in a game over prime Reggie Miller.


Sounds like all you said was Reggie Miller was clutch. Unfortunately there are more aspects to the game before the last seconds.


It's a lot more than that. There isn't a player in the NBA that would say Reggie Miller isn't an all time great. I'll take their word for it over people on a message board most of which don't give a damn about the defensive side of the ball and never really got to or cared to watch him play. It's as (Please Use More Appropriate Word) as the people who think Kobe or Lebron are even close to Jordan.


Then lay it out for us, what else did he do that was so great? Don't just say it's a lot more and not bring up some facts to back it up.

I don't see one thing Reggie did well other than shoot the basketball, which he was damn good at. That doesn't make you an all-time great alone though.
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Post#58 » by supfoo » Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:37 am

penbeast0 wrote:Actually there is another reason Reggie gets more love today than when he was playing. As advanced metrics have become better known, Reggie's 3 point shooting and true shooting percentages (he went to the line a lot for a 3 point specialist) became more and more prominent. Reggie is 6th all-time in ts% with all the others being inside scorers. It's as if Kevin Martin played 82 games every year; he'd be touted by some as a potential HOF player too.


i agree that martin and miller have eerily similiar offensive games but once you factor in team success and the individual accolades, it's not a fair comparison. miller's also got longevity on his side, plus the fact that he stayed with one entire team his whole career is going to help his chances at the HOF. his reputation as the greatest 3-point shooter of all-time will probably give him a first or second ballot nod. unfortunately for martin, a terrific player who doesn't get a lot of attention, he was never fortunate enough to have the talent around to build a legacy like miller did due to circumstances beyond his control.
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Post#59 » by croz24 » Sun Jan 30, 2011 9:42 am

lol it's almost pointless to have a discussion on this considering the vast majority of posters on this site never watched the late 80s/90s reggie play and have zero understanding of what reggie brought to the basketball court on a nightly basis. realgm is showing its demographics in this thread.
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Post#60 » by richboy » Sun Jan 30, 2011 10:25 am

Rccanes2311 wrote:
richboy wrote:
Rccanes2311 wrote:People saying Reggie Miller was overrated are (Please Use More Appropriate Word). There wasn't many in his time that could take a game over like he could. There isn't a player in today's NBA that I'd rather have with the ball in their hands late in a game over prime Reggie Miller.


Sounds like all you said was Reggie Miller was clutch. Unfortunately there are more aspects to the game before the last seconds.


It's a lot more than that. There isn't a player in the NBA that would say Reggie Miller isn't an all time great. I'll take their word for it over people on a message board most of which don't give a damn about the defensive side of the ball and never really got to or cared to watch him play. It's as (Please Use More Appropriate Word) as the people who think Kobe or Lebron are even close to Jordan.


Your now just making a statement that is baseless. Where is the everyone voted and Reggie was an all-time great pole. At the same time while he was playing he wasn't receiving any all-time great accolades. He barely made a few all-star teams but everyone knew he was an all-time great?

Reggie Miller backers are all the same. They only point to his few great performances in a few playoff games. Talk about how clutch he was. Talk about him being a great shooter and I guess thats all you need to be considered an all-time great.They ignore the fact he has zero titles and he has zero titles because he was a limited player. He often failed to deliver in those same playoff series. They talk about his great game 6 against the Magic in 95 but ignore his horrible game 7. Game 5 against the Knicks in 94 he goes crazy. He jaws with Spike Lee and puts up a great show in the garden. They lost that series and he went 15-39 the final 2 games. Was outplayed by John Starks when they had a home game that would have taken them to a championship. Of course John Starks was the all-star that year and not Reggie Miller. That the thing about Reggie Miller. He has these performances that are HOF caliber. Greatness is defined by your consistency. Reggie Miller didn't do those type of things consistently. He was a good player that would have flashes of greatness. Luckily for him those flashes come against the Knicks in the Garden most times. Usually in a spot where he wins a game but it doesn't win the series.

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