Warriors a threat to the Nets? Something interesting

[killacalijatt]

Its pretty clear Monta is on the block and Howard mentioned Ellis as a player he would like to play with.

"Warriors officials want more than Lopez in a Monta package"
"Nets officials have no interest in Lopez for Monta package"
"Warriors now consider Monta their best player over Curry"
"Magic, Warriors In Trade Talks Centered On Ellis "

I see whats going on. Warriors are threatening to trade Ellis to Orlando in order for NJ to flinch.
Howard has stated he would like to play with Ellis and if Ellis is in Orlando Howard has more reason to stay in Orlando becuase of Ellis and becuase of 30million dollars. NJ probably misses on Howard and most likely looses Deron also.
Now if NJ trades Lopez plus extra like the Warriors want for Ellis they get a better chance of signing Howard and Orlando is left with less of a chance to sign Howard.

[DAntoniMustGo]

Nice, get-r-done Larry Riley. You can never trust a guy with the last name Riley

[ReturnofMVP3]

Hope Ellis gets traded to the Nets. It would be intersting to have

Deron/Ellis/Howard though not sure how well an Deron/Ellis backcourt would work. Ellis needs the ball in his hands.

[NetSymptom]

And I'm sure the Nets will let them make their threats, what are the Magic going to offer the Warriors that will surpass a Lopez deal? Anderson? Reddick? Nelson?

If the Warriors don't think Lopez is enough to pry Ellis away, I can't imagine Ellis heading to Orlando. The big reason everyone supposes Dwight is ready to leave is because the Magic lack assets moving forward, how does this not contradict that notion?

[vincecarter4pres]

If the Warriors don't think Lopez is enough to pry Ellis away, I can't imagine Ellis heading to Orlando.

And this is where OP's logic fails.

Healthy Lopez is an A+ chip. Orlando has a collection of C's, D's and 1 B-.

[NetSymptom]

If the Warriors don't think Lopez is enough to pry Ellis away, I can't imagine Ellis heading to Orlando.

Orlando has a collection of C's, D's and 1 B-.

Yes, it was hard not to notice the Magic Dance Team at All Star Weekend. But please stay on topic vince, I prefer you saving your shenanigans for the Nets Board

[Frank Mulely]

Healthy Lopez is an A+ chip.

only to Nets fans

[Warriors Analyst]

Hope Ellis gets traded to the Nets. It would be intersting to have

Deron/Ellis/Howard though not sure how well an Deron/Ellis backcourt would work. Ellis needs the ball in his hands.

It's a total misconception that Ellis needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Ellis' best year came as a 3rd option behind Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson. Ellis isn't a great ballhandler and he relies on his ridiculous quickness. If you have Deron Williams with the ball in his hands, Ellis will get open shots which will maximize his midrange game (Ellis takes too many contested pull up J's right now that he creates on isolation) and you can have him cut to the hoop and I promise you Ellis' FG % will be up around 48 % for about 19-20 ppg with more defensive effort.

[vincecarter4pres]

Healthy Lopez is an A+ chip.

only to Nets fans

Only on internet message boards is he not.

[LOUiS-D]

Healthy Lopez is an A+ chip.

Shhhhh.. Don't wake up the trolls.

If these rumors are true then it's a pretty poor bluff. You don't give away a player of Ellis' caliber because a team is holding back assets. And all this speculation about the Magic getting a third (or fourth?!) team involved to get Golden State the assets they want is pretty far fetched. Maybe Kaman or Bogut might be available, but then why would those teams not deal with Golden State directly.

It seems like a very round about way of getting more out of the Nets.

Maybe the only thing I could see working would be something along the lines of

Kaman to GS
Anderson to NOH
Ellis to ORL

with teams getting compensated proportionally with other assets

[vincecarter4pres]

If the Warriors don't think Lopez is enough to pry Ellis away, I can't imagine Ellis heading to Orlando.

Orlando has a collection of C's, D's and 1 B-.

Yes, it was hard not to notice the Magic Dance Team at All Star Weekend. But please stay on topic vince, I prefer you saving your shenanigans for the Nets Board

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[killacalijatt]

If the Warriors don't think Lopez is enough to pry Ellis away, I can't imagine Ellis heading to Orlando.

And this is where OP's logic fails.

Healthy Lopez is an A+ chip. Orlando has a collection of C's, D's and 1 B-.

If Orlando was willing to offer 2 1st round picks Anderson, Nelson and JJ. With Anderson and Nelson going to a 3rd team and seeing what they can bring in. Wont be the worst trade in the world.

A healthy Lopez would be nice but I dont think NJ is willing to part with him just yet not until the off season atleast.

[dockingsched]

two things, if the warriors want to give Ellis to ORL for a package that probably isn't close to being good value, then thats a bluff i think the nets are willing to call.

2nd, if monta ellis was such an attractive piece for d12 that he woulld consider taking back his trade demand...why wouldn't he just list GSW as a team on his list?

[DreDay]

Great strategy. Nets are screwed without Dwight because Deron will leave as well. Plus it won't be the worst return. I would dump Biedrins as well on them while getting back Ryno.

[TylerTheDebater]

Yo I swear this being on the forum already like three times is racist.

[killacalijatt]

two things, if the warriors want to give Ellis to ORL for a package that probably isn't close to being good value, then thats a bluff i think the nets are willing to call.

2nd, if monta ellis was such an attractive piece for d12 that he woulld consider taking back his trade demand...why wouldn't he just list GSW as a team on his list?

Who wants to play in Oakland CA?? NOONE

Im not saying hes an attractive piece what Im saying is say if Ellis gets traded to Orlando and your Howard you can
A) stay in Orlando and play along side Ellis and try to win, and get paid 30million dollars more
B)go to Brooklyn play along Deron, loose 30million dollars while Lopez is a restricted free agent and Warriors or any team under cap can throw a boatload of money at him and force NJ to match and if they do there left with basically no cap and a gutted roster.

things get more interesting and NJ atmost starts sweating and panicing if Ellis does get traded to Orlando.

obviously it would be some sort of 3 or 4 team deal.

[TB]

Hope Ellis gets traded to the Nets. It would be intersting to have

Deron/Ellis/Howard though not sure how well an Deron/Ellis backcourt would work. Ellis needs the ball in his hands.

It's a total misconception that Ellis needs the ball in his hands to be effective. Ellis' best year came as a 3rd option behind Baron Davis and Stephen Jackson. Ellis isn't a great ballhandler and he relies on his ridiculous quickness. If you have Deron Williams with the ball in his hands, Ellis will get open shots which will maximize his midrange game (Ellis takes too many contested pull up J's right now that he creates on isolation) and you can have him cut to the hoop and I promise you Ellis' FG % will be up around 48 % for about 19-20 ppg with more defensive effort.

This.

As a 2nd or 3rd option, Monta is amazing. Especially when one of those options is a PG next to him; that allows him to sprint the court as soon as a defensive rebound is secure. Right now on the Warriors he sits back to get the outlet in case Steph can't get open, or more recently, is on the bench.

Deron/Monta/Howard could be scary good.

[therealbig3]

two things, if the warriors want to give Ellis to ORL for a package that probably isn't close to being good value, then thats a bluff i think the nets are willing to call.

2nd, if monta ellis was such an attractive piece for d12 that he woulld consider taking back his trade demand...why wouldn't he just list GSW as a team on his list?

Who wants to play in Oakland CA?? NOONE

Im not saying hes an attractive piece what Im saying is say if Ellis gets traded to Orlando and your Howard you can
A) stay in Orlando and play along side Ellis and try to win, and get paid 30million dollars more
B)go to Brooklyn play along Deron, loose 30million dollars while Lopez is a restricted free agent and Warriors or any team under cap can throw a boatload of money at him and force NJ to match and if they do there left with basically no cap and a gutted roster.

things get more interesting and NJ atmost starts sweating and panicing if Ellis does get traded to Orlando.

obviously it would be some sort of 3 or 4 team deal.

Why would it be a gutted roster?

If Howard signs as a free agent, they'd have a supporting cast of Lopez/Brooks/Morrow surrounding Deron/Dwight, plus a probable top 5 pick and Houston's pick.

And if Lopez/Howard don't work together, they could trade Lopez for a player that fills a need.

And he's not losing 30 million, that's such a misleading way to say it. Yeah, he doesn't get 30 million guaranteed, but if he plays out his 4 year deal, he'll get that 30 million back in his next contract.

If I was Dwight, I would EASILY rather play with Deron than with Monta...Deron's a much better player.

[richboy]

I rather have Lopez than Ellis. You look at Ellis and you have to wonder if he truly an elite player. His team isn't very good. He isn't very efficient. He takes 19 shots a game and scores 22 points. Last year he took 20 shots to score 24. The year prior 22 shots to score 25. If I'm the Nets no way I give a 20 ppg center for 22 points on 19 shots. So what will his numbers look like playing with Deron and Dwight and he only getting 15 shots a game.

Lopez is too young and skilled for me to trade for a fringe all-star level player. Right now Lopez is Pau Gasol Lite. If he can improve just a few aspects of his game he can be a legit all-star big man. He is only 23 so why dump him for a undersized SG who not very efficient.

I think if your a Net fan your dream is to land Dwight as a free agent. Have Lopez and Dwight together. Get another good player in the draft. Don't trade Lopez unless your getting Dwight or you find out they can't play together. No way I'm trading Lopez for Monta Ellis. The numbers say Ellis isn't even as good as Kevin Martin.

If Curry can stay healthy he is better than Ellis. He may not be the explosive scorer like Ellis. He is much more efficient. Lopez, Lee, Curry, and Klay I would take over there current roster.

[killacalijatt]

Buddy Ellis shoots 46% for his Career thats actually pretty good and efficient. Since Baron left he's had to carry to much of the load and now that Currys injured again its even tougher.