Why is Joe Dumars still GM in Detroit?

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Re: Why is Joe Dumars still GM in Detroit? 

Post#31 » by schaffy » Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:07 am

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Re: Why is Joe Dumars still GM in Detroit? 

Post#32 » by dice » Sat Jun 16, 2012 2:14 am

you could argue he was only ever considered a good GM because he lucked out with castoffs from other teams (wallace, wallace, hamilton, billups)

but to answer the thread question, if isiah got nearly 5 years as GM, dumars gets 25
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Re: Why is Joe Dumars still GM in Detroit? 

Post#33 » by bullsnewdynasty » Sat Jun 16, 2012 3:02 am

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bullsnewdynasty wrote:Huge mistake to give BG a $12 million contract.

Dumars has been living on rep for years. Should have been fired along with Kuester last offseason.


I can think of plenty of GM's who have given out far worse contracts than a $12 mil/yr deal to Gordon.

The names John Paxson/Ben Wallace and the number $15 mil comes to mind...


So you're justifying your GM giving out a bad contract by referencing other GMs who gave out bad contracts?

Not falling for the bait. But funny that you mention Big Ben, because Dumars did offer him a $12 million/yr contract, but Paxson unfortunately outbid him. :lol:
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Re: Why is Joe Dumars still GM in Detroit? 

Post#34 » by FlipTSO » Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:10 am

bullsnewdynasty wrote:
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bullsnewdynasty wrote:Huge mistake to give BG a $12 million contract.

Dumars has been living on rep for years. Should have been fired along with Kuester last offseason.


I can think of plenty of GM's who have given out far worse contracts than a $12 mil/yr deal to Gordon.

The names John Paxson/Ben Wallace and the number $15 mil comes to mind...


So you're justifying your GM giving out a bad contract by referencing other GMs who gave out bad contracts?

Not falling for the bait. But funny that you mention Big Ben, because Dumars did offer him a $12 million/yr contract, but Paxson unfortunately outbid him. :lol:


What are you talking about? I'm just saying for ppl to single out Dumars for signing Gordon is a joke, considering their GM's have likely signed just as many if not more bad contracts. So in response to the thread title, if Joe D should be fired for those signings, then I guess every other GM should too for their bad signings.

The funny thing is that Wallace would've been worth every penny of that $12 mil/yr had he stayed with us, because we knew how to use him. CHI spent $15 mil/yr on a player and had no clue what to do with him. I guess you could say the same for Gordon with us, but thats my point. GM'st with far less accomplishments like Paxson have gaffes here and there as well and don't get fired. Yet ppl think Joe should makes no sense.
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Re: Why is Joe Dumars still GM in Detroit? 

Post#35 » by He Filled it Up » Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:19 am

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Re: Why is Joe Dumars still GM in Detroit? 

Post#36 » by AnaheimRoyale » Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:30 am

GM's have to be judged in hindsight, for their ability to see ahead of the curve (or not). Context matters, but let's not pretend bad moves become acceptable, provided they "made sense at the time".
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Re: Why is Joe Dumars still GM in Detroit? 

Post#37 » by kurtis48239 » Sat Jun 16, 2012 4:59 am

Like many of you I only looked at joe for all the dumb stuff hes done,but when you look at it as a whole hes had a pretty good record.Hes done fairly well over the last couple yrs,so that shows me that all the owner talk is true and he was caught in a tough spot,if he continues on the path hes on now,then why get rid of him.The only thing I blame him for is the AI and billups trade.
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Re: Why is Joe Dumars still GM in Detroit? 

Post#38 » by bullsnewdynasty » Sat Jun 16, 2012 5:08 am

FlipTSO wrote:The funny thing is that Wallace would've been worth every penny of that $12 mil/yr had he stayed with us, because we knew how to use him. CHI spent $15 mil/yr on a player and had no clue what to do with him. I guess you could say the same for Gordon with us, but thats my point. GM'st with far less accomplishments like Paxson have gaffes here and there as well and don't get fired. Yet ppl think Joe should makes no sense.


It wasn't that Wallace wasn't utilized correctly in Chicago. Wallace was old and significantly declined by the 2nd year he was in Chicago. I also think he lost some motivation after he got paid. Gordon was definitely a guy who was not utilized correctly. How else can you explain a guy dropping off so much during his prime years, and not even the result of a major injury? It's almost unprecedented.

I'm not evaluating Dumars based on the Gordon decision alone. He also traded Billups for Iverson, dealt Afflalo for nothing, signed Villanueva, and hired Kuester. His only saving grace is that he's been decent at drafting, although Monroe fell in his lap. Prince contract extension was also confusing. You can't tell me that you are satisfied with Dumars after 3-4 years of mediocrity/losing.
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Re: Why is Joe Dumars still GM in Detroit? 

Post#39 » by NiqtheAntiq » Sun Jul 8, 2012 11:07 pm

admitting the Gordon mistake was a move in the right direction. Hope he finds a way to unload Charlie V now. I think the Suns would trade Childress and 2 2nd round picks for Charlie V.
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Re: Why is Joe Dumars still GM in Detroit? 

Post#40 » by Shaheen » Sun Jul 8, 2012 11:09 pm

This is why


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Post#41 » by Jan_Sobieski » Sun Jul 8, 2012 11:12 pm

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Re: Why is Joe Dumars still GM in Detroit? 

Post#42 » by Scalabrine » Sun Jul 8, 2012 11:17 pm

People said that the Spurs were done at the time the Pistons blew it up. Just saying...
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Re: Why is Joe Dumars still GM in Detroit? 

Post#43 » by princeofpalace » Sun Jul 8, 2012 11:17 pm

Joe had 1 bad year in 2009 that became magnified because the team was for sale and Karen Davidson wouldnt let him make any moves.

Our team is set up nicely though. We have

Prospects w/star potential: Andre Drummond, Greg Monroe, Brandon Knight
2nd round prospects: Khris Middleton, Kim English, Kyle Singler, Slava Kravtov
Solid Vets on good deals: Rodney Stuckey- 2/16, Tayshaun Prince 3/21, Jonas Jerebko 3/14
Expiring Contracts: Cory Maggette, Jason Maxiel, Will Bynum, Austin Daye
1 albatross contract: Charlie Villanueva- 2/16

We have young prospects and financial flexibility all without tanking. Joe D has put this team in a good position.
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Re: Why is Joe Dumars still GM in Detroit? 

Post#44 » by albo23 » Sun Jul 8, 2012 11:21 pm

SEBAS-07 wrote:Why did he resign Tayshaun Prince?

He's a veteran leader and mentor.
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Re: Why is Joe Dumars still GM in Detroit? 

Post#45 » by Blkbrd671 » Sun Jul 8, 2012 11:49 pm

Love this thread, all Joe D's good moves are because he lucked out and all his bad moves are because he decided them. so he has made 0 good moves.


OP is trolling or ignorant.
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Re: Why is Joe Dumars still GM in Detroit? 

Post#46 » by Uncle Mxy » Sun Jul 8, 2012 11:55 pm

bullsnewdynasty wrote:Gordon was definitely a guy who was not utilized correctly. How else can you explain a guy dropping off so much during his prime years, and not even the result of a major injury? It's almost unprecedented.

He did have a major injury in his first season as a Piston. He blew out his ankle, started sucking, and had surgery right after the season ended. For the past couple seasons, he's largely been passive... more catch-and-shoot than off-the-dribble. My sense is that he got paid and doesn't have the drive that he did when he was in Chicago. The only time we saw a sustained stretch of the player who led Chicago to 7 games vs. Boston was before his ankle injury.
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Re: Why is Joe Dumars still GM in Detroit? 

Post#47 » by Blkbrd671 » Mon Jul 9, 2012 12:13 am

Don't forget Michael Curry and Kuester! the POS coaches hired and dumba* schemes didn't help. Mostly due to the Fact Karen Davidson wasn't willing to dish money out for good coaches.
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Re: Why is Joe Dumars still GM in Detroit? 

Post#48 » by Jan_Sobieski » Mon Jul 9, 2012 12:15 am

Blkbrd671 wrote:Don't forget Michael Curry and Kuester! the POS coaches hired and dumba* schemes didn't help. Mostly due to the Fact Karen Davidson wasn't willing to dish money out for good coaches.

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Re: Why is Joe Dumars still GM in Detroit? 

Post#49 » by Ripp » Mon Jul 9, 2012 12:19 am

Drummond @ 9 will make him look like a genius
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Re: Why is Joe Dumars still GM in Detroit? 

Post#50 » by ozzykhan16 » Mon Jul 9, 2012 12:27 am

Well he got rid of Gordon, so that was a good move fixing his mistake.

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