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Post#1341 Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:38 am by boogie-reke

I would have to say, btw - that as far as defensive wings go the best i've seen is Jeff Taylor.

Granted it was more limited minutes (Although he's getting more and more as time moves on) - but this kid is probably the best Wing defender in this class.

If he can show he can shoot the NBA 3 like he did the collage 3 last year, Charlotte got a massive massive steal imo, Battier esque. This kid has lockdown top 5 wing defender in the league potential.
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Post#1342 Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:04 am by Choker

Terrence Ross also deserves mention as a terrific perimeter defender, but nah he's too good for Dwane Casey's tastes apparently.
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Post#1343 Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:16 pm by EvanZ

boogie-reke wrote:I would have to say, btw - that as far as defensive wings go the best i've seen is Jeff Taylor.



I said this at the time of the draft that MKG and JT are going to be the best perimeter defensive tandem in the league in a few years.
Harrison Barnes is garbage.

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Post#1344 Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:53 pm by j_angel

First double-double for Sullinger last night.
12 points (5 of 8 shooting), 11 boards (4 offensive) and a steal in 26mins, no turnovers also.

He was also close to the last option on offense so he didnt get many touches. Made a few 15 foot jumpers and some nice post moves.

I know was against a weak team. But he looked a lot better than JV (could just be respective teams talent though).

Hoping he gets a chance to impress tonight against Detroit. Their frontcourt will be a good test for him.

In all seriousness if he didn't have a red flag and was more athletic could have seen him being a top 3 pick.
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Post#1345 Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:07 pm by DeBlazerRiddem

A top 3 pick?

Dude could have been a lottery pick without the red flags, but saying he is a top 3 talent from this draft is crazy. Celtics got a steal, but come on.
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Post#1346 Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:42 pm by j_angel

Lotto pick as he is now.
If we was a lot more athletic he would have been a top 3 pick. But hes not so he wasn't,
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Post#1347 Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:52 pm by CBB_Fan

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:A top 3 pick?

Dude could have been a lottery pick without the red flags, but saying he is a top 3 talent from this draft is crazy. Celtics got a steal, but come on.


Well, he did include "more athletic." It is totally reasonable to say Sullinger would be top 3 with elite athleticism. Then again, once we start adding things like that, most players would be lotto talent.
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Post#1348 Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:57 pm by j_angel

I do agree. Not good to speculate and say if this player was better at X he would be this good.
But was just saying he is so unathletic (compared to other players in the league) that even if he had average nba atheleticism he would have been taken a lot higher.

He is very talented offensively and can rebound, plus he has a very high basketball IQ (both Rondo & KG have said this).

Excited to see how he plays tonight.
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Post#1349 Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:59 pm by Biz Gilwalker

EvanZ wrote:
boogie-reke wrote:I would have to say, btw - that as far as defensive wings go the best i've seen is Jeff Taylor.



I said this at the time of the draft that MKG and JT are going to be the best perimeter defensive tandem in the league in a few years.

MKG has been nothing short of fantastic (I didn't even dream he'd be this good so soon) but I haven't seen enough consistency from Taylor to put him in the discussion. He's looked pretty decent so far but I think he's thinking too much on the court and hesitating as a result, particularly on offense, but it's happened a few times on D as well.
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Post#1350 Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:03 pm by SaiCLE

I know it's just 10 games and that I have been one of waiters supporters, But the guy looks like sh*t right now. He is glued to the 3 point line all game, It seems like he does not even care about playing in the offense anymore... All in all it's not looking too good for the Cavalier FO, If Dion does not pan out Grant and Scott will be fired....

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Post#1351 Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:13 pm by Blkbrd671

SaiCLE wrote:I know it's just 10 games and that I have been one of waiters supporters, But the guy looks like sh*t right now. He is glued to the 3 point line all game, It seems like he does not even care about playing in the offense anymore... All in all it's not looking too good for the Cavalier FO, If Dion does not pan out Grant and Scott will be fired....

End of rant :-?



i actually like Waiters, he looks like he'll be everything Stuckey was suppose to be but isn't. However , i still don't understand how you don't go with Barnes? Problem is both Waiters and Irving need the ball in their hands to be peak effective.
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Post#1352 Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:15 pm by ComboGuardCity

Drummond doing very well on KG. 3 straight times he shut him down in the post.
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Post#1353 Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:24 pm by JungleCat022

SaiCLE wrote:I know it's just 10 games and that I have been one of waiters supporters, But the guy looks like sh*t right now. He is glued to the 3 point line all game, It seems like he does not even care about playing in the offense anymore... All in all it's not looking too good for the Cavalier FO, If Dion does not pan out Grant and Scott will be fired....

End of rant :-?


I agree he does need to go away from the 3 pointers, but he's been shooting decently so far. My issue is his finishing at the rim, he can get wherever he wants on the floor but he has struggled finished his layups.
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Post#1354 Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:36 pm by Cro_Ruption

another solid game from lillard.
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Post#1355 Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread
Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:36 pm by Blazing_royale

SaiCLE wrote:
Blazing_royale wrote:@

3-16 last game
4-16 today

5-16 next game

Most of the layups he missed should have been fouls, like the last play when kaman slugged him in the face. He started attacking when he realized his jumper wasn't falling. He'll get better *Shrug

He finished the game with 16 points, 4 rebounds, 3 asts, 2 stls.


2-13 waiters

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Post#1356 Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread
Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:27 am by Roger Murdock

Blkbrd671 wrote:
SaiCLE wrote:I know it's just 10 games and that I have been one of waiters supporters, But the guy looks like sh*t right now. He is glued to the 3 point line all game, It seems like he does not even care about playing in the offense anymore... All in all it's not looking too good for the Cavalier FO, If Dion does not pan out Grant and Scott will be fired....

End of rant :-?



i actually like Waiters, he looks like he'll be everything Stuckey was suppose to be but isn't. However , i still don't understand how you don't go with Barnes? Problem is both Waiters and Irving need the ball in their hands to be peak effective.



The thing the Cavs needed the most was someone else who can dribble, slash, pass, and score, besides Irving. The last thing they needed was someone to shoot mid range jumpers.
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Post#1357 Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread
Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:29 am by NaturalThunder

ManualRam wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:It's crazy to think that Gilchrist is most probably the best defender in a draft involving Davis...

not really. MKG was more physically ready to defend his position. davis is still a 220 lb PF, who's also playing some C.

also, check these numbers out.

overall PPP against- .94
FG% against- 44%
%scored against- 40.9%


overall PPP against- .85
FG% against- 35.4%
%scored against- 37.2%

one of them is MKG. the other is ....harrison barnes
it's early, but im just saying.

I watched 90% of Barnes' games in college and knew he had good defensive potential; and at times he'd lockdown on defense and look like a stud. However, his defensive effort was pretty inconsistent so I didn't know how that part of his game was going to translate to the NBA.

I've watched 6 or 7 Warriors games this year, and even when he wasn't doing much on offense, he was still playing really good defense (for a rookie). If he builds on that level of defensive play and improves on it as his career progresses, then the Luol Deng comparisons may actually end up being pretty accurate. I thought no-way he'll ever be as good of a defender as Deng, but right now he's showing me he has that potential while also being an 18-20 PPG scorer.
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Post#1358 Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread
Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:34 am by JunkYardSubs

Lamb has looked bad in limited minutes, hope he can be moved to a team willing to let him grow.
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Post#1359 Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread
Mon Nov 19, 2012 2:01 am by KennyDuwayne

Choker wrote:
princeofpalace wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:It's crazy to think that Gilchrist is most probably the best defender in a draft involving Davis...


Drummond is actually looking like the best and most impactful defender


Valanciunas would have had a word with you two....if it wasn't for Bargnani making him look bad defensively.


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Post#1360 Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread
Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:08 am by Jon1798

Blkbrd671 wrote:
SaiCLE wrote:I know it's just 10 games and that I have been one of waiters supporters, But the guy looks like sh*t right now. He is glued to the 3 point line all game, It seems like he does not even care about playing in the offense anymore... All in all it's not looking too good for the Cavalier FO, If Dion does not pan out Grant and Scott will be fired....

End of rant :-?



i actually like Waiters, he looks like he'll be everything Stuckey was suppose to be but isn't. However , i still don't understand how you don't go with Barnes? Problem is both Waiters and Irving need the ball in their hands to be peak effective.


That's really been my deal from the beginning. I get tired of the, "he's a bust", "oh wait, he's great", "oh wait, he's a bust."

Waiters is a fine player. My issue with the pick was the team that took him. IMO, the Cavs have one of the very very premier point guards in the league. Bonafide superstar. I do not for the life of me understand picking a ball dominant slasher, shooter. Harrison Barnes is sitting there, a guy that can hit the mid range shot. He's great at moving without the basketball, curling off of screens. He's a good wing defender. And from day one he just struck me as a guy that could match up with some of the best SF's in the league(excluding Lebron and Durant of course).

A team like the Hornets without a stud PG needs an Eric Gordon type of ball dominant SG. A team like the Cavs with one of the best PG's in the league? Just plug in a guy that can hit the three and play defense and you're sitting pretty.
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