The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread

princeofpalace · Post #1336 » by **princeofpalace** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:59 am

Sik Infant wrote:It's crazy to think that Gilchrist is most probably the best defender in a draft involving Davis...

Drummond is actually looking like the best and most impactful defender

Kabookalu · Post #1337 » by **Kabookalu** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:09 pm

princeofpalace wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:It's crazy to think that Gilchrist is most probably the best defender in a draft involving Davis...

Drummond is actually looking like the best and most impactful defender

Valanciunas would have had a word with you two....if it wasn't for Bargnani making him look bad defensively.

princeofpalace · Post #1338 » by **princeofpalace** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:32 pm

Choker wrote:
princeofpalace wrote:
Sik Infant wrote:It's crazy to think that Gilchrist is most probably the best defender in a draft involving Davis...

Drummond is actually looking like the best and most impactful defender

Valanciunas would have had a word with you two....if it wasn't for Bargnani making him look bad defensively.

Ive seen Jonas V play, he's good defensively but Drummond is noticeable better. But, I agree that Jonas V is also a more impactful defender than MGK. Kidd-Gilchrist will likely be the best perimeter defender from the draft, but certainly a defensive bigman is more valuable than a defensive wing.

TwentyOne920 · Post #1339 » by **TwentyOne920** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:20 pm

Drummond's the best defensive-oriented big from this class. Davis has the capability to be a force on both ends so him being labeled as merely a defensive big didn't do him justice.

The problem (or is it the solution) is that Detroit is in tanking mode.

boogie-reke · Post #1340 » by **boogie-reke** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:21 pm

Ettorefm wrote:not to mention terrific defense

I don't see it.

I think he's actually looking lost quite often defensively, and quite a few baskets are directly on him.

Not writing him off at all obviously, he's a rookie big and as such those are common mistakes to make and he showed when he knows where to be etc he's an absolute force - not to mention his weight that's keeping him from staying balanced through contact and making him pushed under the rim more often.

But he is not playing anything close to terrific defense yet, and i've watched 80% of his games so far - especially in PNR situations when he hedges too much and doesn't return in time, or when he roams too much out of his position and giving open jumpers - but also in the post where again he's pushing under the rim far too easily giving a high % shot.

boogie-reke · Post #1341 » by **boogie-reke** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:38 pm

I would have to say, btw - that as far as defensive wings go the best i've seen is Jeff Taylor.

Granted it was more limited minutes (Although he's getting more and more as time moves on) - but this kid is probably the best Wing defender in this class.

If he can show he can shoot the NBA 3 like he did the collage 3 last year, Charlotte got a massive massive steal imo, Battier esque. This kid has lockdown top 5 wing defender in the league potential.

Kabookalu · Post #1342 » by **Kabookalu** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 4:04 pm

Terrence Ross also deserves mention as a terrific perimeter defender, but nah he's too good for Dwane Casey's tastes apparently.

EvanZ · Post #1343 » by **EvanZ** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:16 pm

boogie-reke wrote:I would have to say, btw - that as far as defensive wings go the best i've seen is Jeff Taylor.

I said this at the time of the draft that MKG and JT are going to be the best perimeter defensive tandem in the league in a few years.

j_angel · Post #1344 » by **j_angel** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:53 pm

First double-double for Sullinger last night.
12 points (5 of 8 shooting), 11 boards (4 offensive) and a steal in 26mins, no turnovers also.

He was also close to the last option on offense so he didnt get many touches. Made a few 15 foot jumpers and some nice post moves.

I know was against a weak team. But he looked a lot better than JV (could just be respective teams talent though).

Hoping he gets a chance to impress tonight against Detroit. Their frontcourt will be a good test for him.

In all seriousness if he didn't have a red flag and was more athletic could have seen him being a top 3 pick.

Post #1345 » by **DeBlazerRiddem** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:07 pm

A top 3 pick?

Dude could have been a lottery pick without the red flags, but saying he is a top 3 talent from this draft is crazy. Celtics got a steal, but come on.

j_angel · Post #1346 » by **j_angel** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:42 pm

Lotto pick as he is now.
If we was a lot more athletic he would have been a top 3 pick. But hes not so he wasn't,

CBB_Fan · Post #1347 » by **CBB_Fan** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:52 pm

DeBlazerRiddem wrote:A top 3 pick?

Dude could have been a lottery pick without the red flags, but saying he is a top 3 talent from this draft is crazy. Celtics got a steal, but come on.

Well, he did include "more athletic." It is totally reasonable to say Sullinger would be top 3 with elite athleticism. Then again, once we start adding things like that, most players would be lotto talent.

j_angel · Post #1348 » by **j_angel** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:57 pm

I do agree. Not good to speculate and say if this player was better at X he would be this good.
But was just saying he is so unathletic (compared to other players in the league) that even if he had average nba atheleticism he would have been taken a lot higher.

He is very talented offensively and can rebound, plus he has a very high basketball IQ (both Rondo & KG have said this).

Excited to see how he plays tonight.

HornetJail · Post #1349 » by **HornetJail** » Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:59 pm

EvanZ wrote:
boogie-reke wrote:I would have to say, btw - that as far as defensive wings go the best i've seen is Jeff Taylor.

I said this at the time of the draft that MKG and JT are going to be the best perimeter defensive tandem in the league in a few years.

MKG has been nothing short of fantastic (I didn't even dream he'd be this good so soon) but I haven't seen enough consistency from Taylor to put him in the discussion. He's looked pretty decent so far but I think he's thinking too much on the court and hesitating as a result, particularly on offense, but it's happened a few times on D as well.

SaiCLE · Post #1350 » by **SaiCLE** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:03 am

I know it's just 10 games and that I have been one of waiters supporters, But the guy looks like sh*t right now. He is glued to the 3 point line all game, It seems like he does not even care about playing in the offense anymore... All in all it's not looking too good for the Cavalier FO, If Dion does not pan out Grant and Scott will be fired....

End of rant :-?

Blkbrd671 · Post #1351 » by **Blkbrd671** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:13 am

SaiCLE wrote:I know it's just 10 games and that I have been one of waiters supporters, But the guy looks like sh*t right now. He is glued to the 3 point line all game, It seems like he does not even care about playing in the offense anymore... All in all it's not looking too good for the Cavalier FO, If Dion does not pan out Grant and Scott will be fired....

End of rant

i actually like Waiters, he looks like he'll be everything Stuckey was suppose to be but isn't. However , i still don't understand how you don't go with Barnes? Problem is both Waiters and Irving need the ball in their hands to be peak effective.

ComboGuardCity · Post #1352 » by **ComboGuardCity** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:15 am

Drummond doing very well on KG. 3 straight times he shut him down in the post.

JungleCat022 · Post #1353 » by **JungleCat022** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:24 am

SaiCLE wrote:I know it's just 10 games and that I have been one of waiters supporters, But the guy looks like sh*t right now. He is glued to the 3 point line all game, It seems like he does not even care about playing in the offense anymore... All in all it's not looking too good for the Cavalier FO, If Dion does not pan out Grant and Scott will be fired....

End of rant

I agree he does need to go away from the 3 pointers, but he's been shooting decently so far. My issue is his finishing at the rim, he can get wherever he wants on the floor but he has struggled finished his layups.

Cro_Ruption · Post #1354 » by **Cro_Ruption** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:36 am

another solid game from lillard.

Blazing_royale · Post #1355 » by **Blazing_royale** » Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:36 am

SaiCLE wrote:
Blazing_royale wrote:@

3-16 last game
4-16 today

5-16 next game

Most of the layups he missed should have been fouls, like the last play when kaman slugged him in the face. He started attacking when he realized his jumper wasn't falling. He'll get better *Shrug

He finished the game with 16 points, 4 rebounds, 3 asts, 2 stls.

2-13 waiters

next game 5-16