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Post#541 Re: Race to the MVP.
Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:43 am by Amare_1_Knicks

Lakers win the West, Heat don't win the East and Kobe's putting up at least 26/5/4.5/1 on 45-46%FG( At least ) and I can see KObe getting it.
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Post#542 Re: Race to the MVP.
Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:51 am by TheGarden

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TheGarden wrote:His numbers will go up when STAT comes back, less double teams will help that remember last night Memphis played him well but he still shot 50% and since this number is so important his TS% was 61 I think last night


He was pretty good offensively but 3 rebounds, 1 assist, and 5 turnovers isn't going to cut it. You can't be playing small ball at power forward and end the game at 3 rebounds. There's a reason why the Knicks are last in the NBA in rebounding and he's a huge reason for it.


he second on the team in rebounding so how is he the problem

7.4 a game is fine for him, Tyson who averages 7.7 is the real problem
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Post#543 Re: Race to the MVP.
Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:41 am by Hero

Amare_1_Knicks wrote:Lakers win the West, Heat don't win the East and Kobe's putting up at least 26/5/4.5/1 on 45-46%FG( At least ) and I can see KObe getting it.


Really? Lakers have no shot at winning the West. Cmon now.
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Post#544 Re: Race to the MVP.
Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:40 am by EvilSperm

Hero wrote:
Amare_1_Knicks wrote:Lakers win the West, Heat don't win the East and Kobe's putting up at least 26/5/4.5/1 on 45-46%FG( At least ) and I can see KObe getting it.


Really? Lakers have no shot at winning the West. Cmon now.


Lakers will finish off with a record of 70-12

kobe will finish off with 30 ppg 6 rpg 6 apg on 52% FG 39% 3pfg 92% ft line and hell be mvp
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Post#545 Re: Race to the MVP.
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:35 am by te887848

The Lakers are definitely favorites to come out of the West and have a much better chance than the Grizzlies or Clippers. They should still finish ahead of the Thunder, but it's tough to say with Spurs as they are one of those teams like Chicago that doesn't coast in the regular season and plays to their max potential each and every game. But as last season showed, you don't need the 1st seed to win MVP. If the Lakers finish in the top 2-3 (guaranteed basically) and Kobe keeps scoring at high efficiency, I can only see LeBron with a case over him. And depending on where the Thunder finish, perhaps Durant too.
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Post#546 Re: Race to the MVP.
Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:17 am by TwentyOne920

te887848 wrote:The Lakers are definitely favorites to come out of the West and have a much better chance than the Grizzlies or Clippers. They should still finish ahead of the Thunder, but it's tough to say with Spurs as they are one of those teams like Chicago that doesn't coast in the regular season and plays to their max potential each and every game. But as last season showed, you don't need the 1st seed to win MVP. If the Lakers finish in the top 2-3 (guaranteed basically) and Kobe keeps scoring at high efficiency, I can only see LeBron with a case over him. And depending on where the Thunder finish, perhaps Durant too.


On paper. While I do think they're a contender I'm not sure they've got the division on lock since the Clippers got better, although the Suns/Kings/Warriors aren't good anyway so there's no reason not to win the division.

MVPs typically go to division winners.

2000: O'Neal - 67-15, Pacific Division winner, 1st seed West
2001: Iverson - 56-26, Atlantic Division winner, 1st seed East
2002: Duncan - 58-24, Midwest Division winner, 2nd seed West
2003: Duncan - 60-22, Midwest Division winner, 1st seed West
2004: Garnett - 58-24, Midwest Division winner, 1st seed West
2005: Nash - 62-20, Pacific Division winner, 1st seed West
2006: Nash - 54-28, Pacific Division winner, 2nd* seed West
2007: Nowitzki - 67-15, Southwest Division winner, 1st seed West
2008: Bryant - 57-25, Pacific Division winner, 1st seed West
2009: James - 66-16, Central Division winner, 1st seed East
2010: James - 61-21, Central Division winner, 1st seed East
2011: Rose - 62-20, Central Division winner, 1st seed East
2012: James - 46-20, Southeast Division winner, 2nd seed East

*would be a 3rd seed if the current seeding rules were used, as the Mavs finished 60-22

So as history shows an MVP has to lead his team to a top 2 or 3 seed and definitely the division at worst. the playoffs are another monster however
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Post#547 Re: Race to the MVP.
Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:01 am by Woodsanity

te887848 wrote:The Lakers are definitely favorites to come out of the West and have a much better chance than the Grizzlies or Clippers. They should still finish ahead of the Thunder, but it's tough to say with Spurs as they are one of those teams like Chicago that doesn't coast in the regular season and plays to their max potential each and every game. But as last season showed, you don't need the 1st seed to win MVP. If the Lakers finish in the top 2-3 (guaranteed basically) and Kobe keeps scoring at high efficiency, I can only see LeBron with a case over him. And depending on where the Thunder finish, perhaps Durant too.

Lol no they don't. Stop your fantasizing.
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Post#548 Re: Race to the MVP.
Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:12 am by te887848

Woodsanity wrote:
te887848 wrote:The Lakers are definitely favorites to come out of the West and have a much better chance than the Grizzlies or Clippers. They should still finish ahead of the Thunder, but it's tough to say with Spurs as they are one of those teams like Chicago that doesn't coast in the regular season and plays to their max potential each and every game. But as last season showed, you don't need the 1st seed to win MVP. If the Lakers finish in the top 2-3 (guaranteed basically) and Kobe keeps scoring at high efficiency, I can only see LeBron with a case over him. And depending on where the Thunder finish, perhaps Durant too.

Lol no they don't. Stop your fantasizing.

Please... the Grizzlies and Clippers have been the epitome of mediocrity the past two seasons. They're off to nice starts, but certainly not sustainable for the entire season. The Lakers own the Grizzlies at 4 out of 5 positions and are a much better team than either the Clippers or Grizzlies. I can't even say the Grizzlies have one player clearly deserving of an all-star appearance.
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Post#549 Re: Race to the MVP.
Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:14 am by te887848

TwentyOne920 wrote:
te887848 wrote:The Lakers are definitely favorites to come out of the West and have a much better chance than the Grizzlies or Clippers. They should still finish ahead of the Thunder, but it's tough to say with Spurs as they are one of those teams like Chicago that doesn't coast in the regular season and plays to their max potential each and every game. But as last season showed, you don't need the 1st seed to win MVP. If the Lakers finish in the top 2-3 (guaranteed basically) and Kobe keeps scoring at high efficiency, I can only see LeBron with a case over him. And depending on where the Thunder finish, perhaps Durant too.


On paper. While I do think they're a contender I'm not sure they've got the division on lock since the Clippers got better, although the Suns/Kings/Warriors aren't good anyway so there's no reason not to win the division.

MVPs typically go to division winners.

2000: O'Neal - 67-15, Pacific Division winner, 1st seed West
2001: Iverson - 56-26, Atlantic Division winner, 1st seed East
2002: Duncan - 58-24, Midwest Division winner, 2nd seed West
2003: Duncan - 60-22, Midwest Division winner, 1st seed West
2004: Garnett - 58-24, Midwest Division winner, 1st seed West
2005: Nash - 62-20, Pacific Division winner, 1st seed West
2006: Nash - 54-28, Pacific Division winner, 2nd* seed West
2007: Nowitzki - 67-15, Southwest Division winner, 1st seed West
2008: Bryant - 57-25, Pacific Division winner, 1st seed West
2009: James - 66-16, Central Division winner, 1st seed East
2010: James - 61-21, Central Division winner, 1st seed East
2011: Rose - 62-20, Central Division winner, 1st seed East
2012: James - 46-20, Southeast Division winner, 2nd seed East

*would be a 3rd seed if the current seeding rules were used, as the Mavs finished 60-22

So as history shows an MVP has to lead his team to a top 2 or 3 seed and definitely the division at worst. the playoffs are another monster however

That's why LeBron is likely the favorite. With the Bulls losing Rose for over half the season, it pretty much eliminated any chance of the Heat not finishing 1st in the East.
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Post#550 Re: Race to the MVP.
Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:59 am by This IsMy House

EvilSperm wrote:
Hero wrote:
Amare_1_Knicks wrote:Lakers win the West, Heat don't win the East and Kobe's putting up at least 26/5/4.5/1 on 45-46%FG( At least ) and I can see KObe getting it.


Really? Lakers have no shot at winning the West. Cmon now.


Lakers will finish off with a record of 70-12

kobe will finish off with 30 ppg 6 rpg 6 apg on 52% FG 39% 3pfg 92% ft line and hell be mvp

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Post#551 Re: Race to the MVP.
Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:25 pm by og15

te887848 wrote:
Woodsanity wrote:
te887848 wrote:The Lakers are definitely favorites to come out of the West and have a much better chance than the Grizzlies or Clippers. They should still finish ahead of the Thunder, but it's tough to say with Spurs as they are one of those teams like Chicago that doesn't coast in the regular season and plays to their max potential each and every game. But as last season showed, you don't need the 1st seed to win MVP. If the Lakers finish in the top 2-3 (guaranteed basically) and Kobe keeps scoring at high efficiency, I can only see LeBron with a case over him. And depending on where the Thunder finish, perhaps Durant too.

Lol no they don't. Stop your fantasizing.

Please... the Grizzlies and Clippers have been the epitome of mediocrity the past two seasons. They're off to nice starts, but certainly not sustainable for the entire season. The Lakers own the Grizzlies at 4 out of 5 positions and are a much better team than either the Clippers or Grizzlies. I can't even say the Grizzlies have one player clearly deserving of an all-star appearance.

I think it's called improving as a team, and the Clippers just started being good last season. I'd say Zach Randolph is easily deserving of an All-Star appearance, and that Zach and Rudy so far are better than Gasol and Artest.

Also, why isn't it sustainable for those teams, just because you said so? The Clippers are playing Blake and Paul career lows in MPG, and their two leading scorers per minute come off the bench, I think that's a good sign for being well rested and being able to have a successful regular season (check the Spurs)
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Post#552 Re: Race to the MVP.
Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:59 pm by GeneralNbaFan

I dont get the discussion:
If you give the mvp to the best player, than its Lebron and will be for another 5+ years
But they dont (Look at Nash mvps)...they give it to the best player on the best team (with a good story , too)
And right now the best teams (besides their rankings) are Memphis and New York....
Memphis is the most balanced team, so you can not say who really is their best player (Z-Bo?Marc?even Gay?)
But New York is Anthonys team..... therefore right now its Carmello!
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Post#553 Re: Race to the MVP.
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:46 pm by Beard

Bosh is MVP at the moment
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Post#554 Re: Race to the MVP.
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:58 pm by Woodsanity

te887848 wrote:
Woodsanity wrote:
te887848 wrote:The Lakers are definitely favorites to come out of the West and have a much better chance than the Grizzlies or Clippers. They should still finish ahead of the Thunder, but it's tough to say with Spurs as they are one of those teams like Chicago that doesn't coast in the regular season and plays to their max potential each and every game. But as last season showed, you don't need the 1st seed to win MVP. If the Lakers finish in the top 2-3 (guaranteed basically) and Kobe keeps scoring at high efficiency, I can only see LeBron with a case over him. And depending on where the Thunder finish, perhaps Durant too.

Lol no they don't. Stop your fantasizing.

Please... the Grizzlies and Clippers have been the epitome of mediocrity the past two seasons. They're off to nice starts, but certainly not sustainable for the entire season. The Lakers own the Grizzlies at 4 out of 5 positions and are a much better team than either the Clippers or Grizzlies. I can't even say the Grizzlies have one player clearly deserving of an all-star appearance.

And this is why you should stop posting.
twix2500 wrote:If Lebron went to NY and Melo to Miami, Melo would have a trophy and Lebron would not.

Tiesto_Lakers wrote:The more I watch basketball, the more I realize that Kobe, in his absolute prime (2006-2008), was a top 2 player of all-time, only second to Jordan.
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Post#555 Re: Race to the MVP.
Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:57 pm by TheGarden

te887848 wrote:
TwentyOne920 wrote:
te887848 wrote:The Lakers are definitely favorites to come out of the West and have a much better chance than the Grizzlies or Clippers. They should still finish ahead of the Thunder, but it's tough to say with Spurs as they are one of those teams like Chicago that doesn't coast in the regular season and plays to their max potential each and every game. But as last season showed, you don't need the 1st seed to win MVP. If the Lakers finish in the top 2-3 (guaranteed basically) and Kobe keeps scoring at high efficiency, I can only see LeBron with a case over him. And depending on where the Thunder finish, perhaps Durant too.


On paper. While I do think they're a contender I'm not sure they've got the division on lock since the Clippers got better, although the Suns/Kings/Warriors aren't good anyway so there's no reason not to win the division.

MVPs typically go to division winners.

2000: O'Neal - 67-15, Pacific Division winner, 1st seed West
2001: Iverson - 56-26, Atlantic Division winner, 1st seed East
2002: Duncan - 58-24, Midwest Division winner, 2nd seed West
2003: Duncan - 60-22, Midwest Division winner, 1st seed West
2004: Garnett - 58-24, Midwest Division winner, 1st seed West
2005: Nash - 62-20, Pacific Division winner, 1st seed West
2006: Nash - 54-28, Pacific Division winner, 2nd* seed West
2007: Nowitzki - 67-15, Southwest Division winner, 1st seed West
2008: Bryant - 57-25, Pacific Division winner, 1st seed West
2009: James - 66-16, Central Division winner, 1st seed East
2010: James - 61-21, Central Division winner, 1st seed East
2011: Rose - 62-20, Central Division winner, 1st seed East
2012: James - 46-20, Southeast Division winner, 2nd seed East

*would be a 3rd seed if the current seeding rules were used, as the Mavs finished 60-22

So as history shows an MVP has to lead his team to a top 2 or 3 seed and definitely the division at worst. the playoffs are another monster however

That's why LeBron is likely the favorite. With the Bulls losing Rose for over half the season, it pretty much eliminated any chance of the Heat not finishing 1st in the East.


LeBron is not the favorite because of that.

He's the favorite because he's the best player in the world.

Miami in his 2 years has never finished 1st in the East and they tend to coast late in the year to rest their bodies, especially Wade and James who have that attacking style. So I think the Heat finish with 52-57 wins give or take.

Boston wont finish higher than 3, Indiana looks done, Brooklyn who knows with them. New York should be fine if they stay healthy and Chicago is fine until Rose comes back and then who knows how they'll look

I can the Knicks getting the 1 seed, Miami 2, Chicago/Boston 3/4, Brooklyn 5, Atlanta 6, Milwauke 7, Philadelphia 8
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Post#556 Re: Race to the MVP.
Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:31 pm by starvinmarvin17

It will be a two man race between lebron and durant again those two are a notch above the rest.
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Post#557 Re: Race to the MVP.
Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:57 pm by fallacy

Durant drops a game of 25 points, 13 rebounds, 10 assists, 2 steals, 8-16 fg, 3-5 3pt



Durant's last five games he's averaging 28/10/5/2/2 on .53/.60/.93 shooting while dominating defensively. This is just insane
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Post#558 Re: Race to the MVP.
Sun Nov 18, 2012 11:29 pm by wafer88

fallacy wrote:Durant drops a game of 25 points, 13 rebounds, 10 assists, 2 steals, 8-16 fg, 3-5 3pt



Durant's last five games he's averaging 28/10/5/2/2 on .53/.60/.93 shooting while dominating defensively. This is just insane




Durant's playing well, but everytime his assist numbers are brought up his to's should also be brought up. He was great in that aspect today, but he's been pretty damn bad for the whole year.
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Post#559 Re: Race to the MVP.
Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:06 am by NaturalThunder

wafer88 wrote:
fallacy wrote:Durant drops a game of 25 points, 13 rebounds, 10 assists, 2 steals, 8-16 fg, 3-5 3pt



Durant's last five games he's averaging 28/10/5/2/2 on .53/.60/.93 shooting while dominating defensively. This is just insane




Durant's playing well, but everytime his assist numbers are brought up his to's should also be brought up. He was great in that aspect today, but he's been pretty damn bad for the whole year.

Durant accumulated 26 of his 42 turnovers on the season in the first five games. His turnovers are coming down and he's making better decisions with the ball.

Now, if he goes out and has another stretch of 4-6 turnover games in the next week or two, fine; but right now he's keeping the turnover issue in check.
GetItDone wrote:Durant continues to be the most overrated player in basketball.
Once again disappears in the 4th. On paper it looks like he played good, but he wasn't anything great. When defenses get tighter Durant gets exposed. He can't do much besides shoot jumpers.
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Post#560 Re: Race to the MVP.
Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:15 am by TheKingOfVa360

starvinmarvin17 wrote:It will be a two man race between lebron and durant again those two are a notch above the rest.


It's not even close to a two man race. And Durant is not a notch above the rest of the NBA, Lebron is.
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