Is Thomas Robinson a complete bust?
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In shoes Dwight is 6-11 and in shoes Barkley and Jordan were 6-6
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I see it year after year, yet it still bothers me. Certain fans have no patience with these rookies. They expect instant greatness. That doesn't happen often, so I don't understand why the expectations are still that high.
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Rondo2Hondo wrote:It's not the 80's or 90's anymore.
Thomas Robinson:
Height in shoes - 6' 8.75"
Wingspan - 7' 3.25"
Weight: 244 lbs
Elton Brand:
Height in shoes - 6' 9.5"
Wingspan - 7' 5.5"
Weight: 260 lbs
Karl Malone:
Height in shoes at the 1992 Olympic Games - 6 '8"
Wingspan - 7 '2"
Weight: 250 lbs
Brandon Bass, Paul Millsap, Carl Landry, David Lee, Tyrus Thomas, Tristan Thompson, Kenneth Faried, Jason Maxiell, Royce White, David West, Zach Randolph, Darrell Arthur, Reggie Evans, Glen Davis, J.J. Hickson, Chuck Hayes, Dejuan Blair. Those are guys off the top of my head who are at Robinson's height or under. There are numerous guys like Blake Griffin who are an inch taller than Robinson. Robinson makes up for the inch with absurdly long arms, a large vertical, and considerable strength.
What is your prototypical PF? Kevin Garnett? Charles Barkley? Pfft.
Most of the guys you listed are too big for Thomas Robinson. Even in today's league he is undersized.
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reignfire wrote:Rondo2Hondo wrote:It's not the 80's or 90's anymore.
Thomas Robinson:
Height in shoes - 6' 8.75"
Wingspan - 7' 3.25"
Weight: 244 lbs
Elton Brand:
Height in shoes - 6' 9.5"
Wingspan - 7' 5.5"
Weight: 260 lbs
Karl Malone:
Height in shoes at the 1992 Olympic Games - 6 '8"
Wingspan - 7 '2"
Weight: 250 lbs
Brandon Bass, Paul Millsap, Carl Landry, David Lee, Tyrus Thomas, Tristan Thompson, Kenneth Faried, Jason Maxiell, Royce White, David West, Zach Randolph, Darrell Arthur, Reggie Evans, Glen Davis, J.J. Hickson, Chuck Hayes, Dejuan Blair. Those are guys off the top of my head who are at Robinson's height or under. There are numerous guys like Blake Griffin who are an inch taller than Robinson. Robinson makes up for the inch with absurdly long arms, a large vertical, and considerable strength.
What is your prototypical PF? Kevin Garnett? Charles Barkley? Pfft.
Most of the guys you listed are too big for Thomas Robinson. Even in today's league he is undersized.
You have no idea what you're talking about, kid. Robinson is average height, has large wingspan, and is strong for a power forward. He needs game time, solid coaching, a veteran teammate to rely on and to improve his leg strength and core strength. He is a prototype power forward, and you are coming across as a clueless hater. Check the playing heights, weights, and wingspans of the players I listed, then get back to me.
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he looked good when he played our pistons,then he threw that cheap shot and alot of peoples perseption of him did a 180.The kid has alot of making up to do to prove he isnt going to be a head case in the league and being on the kings with cousins will make it even harder even tho it shouldnt.
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JustAwesome wrote:I see it year after year, yet it still bothers me. Certain fans have no patience with these rookies. They expect instant greatness. That doesn't happen often, so I don't understand why the expectations are still that high.
Just some facts:
- Only one 5th overall pick in the shotclock era averaged less MPG in his first 5 games than Thomas Robinson
- About 50% of those picks started in their first game in the NBA
- Only 3 of those lottery-era picks scored less than 10 points in each of their first games. Kevin Garnett took 6 games, got 19 on his sixth, and had double TRob's PPG through 5. The other two were Shelden Williams, and Nikoloz Tskitishvili.
So yes, you can make the argument that most draft picks in that range perform well immediately, or at least perform better. The picks I mentioned for information purposes:
Jon Koncak
Kenny Walker
Scottie Pippen
Mitch Richmond
J.R. Reid
Kendall Gill
Steve Smith
LaPhonso Ellis
Isaiah Rider
Juwan Howard
Kevin Garnett
Ray Allen
Tony Battie
Vince Carter
Jonathan Bender
Mike Miller
Jason Richardson
Nikoloz Tskitishvili
Dwyane Wade
Devin Harris
Raymond Felton
Shelden Williams
Jeff Green
Kevin Love
Ricky Rubio
DeMarcus Cousins
Jonas Valanciunas
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kurtis48239 wrote:he looked good when he played our pistons,then he threw that cheap shot and alot of peoples perseption of him did a 180.The kid has alot of making up to do to prove he isnt going to be a head case in the league and being on the kings with cousins will make it even harder even tho it shouldnt.
I think he'll be fine. I think that elbow was out of frustration and not knowing how to act. He should've been above all of Jerebko's BS tactics to get under his skin. By no means was Jerebko an innocent little bystander in this, he was egging Robinson on for a few exchanges and it was getting testy before that. Still not an excuse, but even some Kings fans at the stadium could see what Jerebko did to draw Robinson's ire.
Still doesn't excuse what Rob did, in fact it was quite effective in taking him literally out of his game.
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It was clear to see that Robinson would be a terrible nba player and shouldn't have been a lottery ppick. The dude is straight garbage.
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Ricky ROY Rubio wrote:It was clear to see that Robinson would be a terrible nba player and shouldn't have been a lottery ppick. The dude is straight garbage.
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dumbest thread I have ever seen on RealGM. Why let this go to 8 pages?
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Rondo2Hondo wrote:reignfire wrote:Unless you're looking at the Heat as a model for what prototypical positioning is, no he is not.
It's not the 80's or 90's anymore.
Thomas Robinson:
Height in shoes - 6' 8.75"
Wingspan - 7' 3.25"
Weight: 244 lbs
Elton Brand:
Height in shoes - 6' 9.5"
Wingspan - 7' 5.5"
Weight: 260 lbs
Karl Malone:
Height in shoes at the 1992 Olympic Games - 6 '8"
Wingspan - 7 '2"
Weight: 250 lbs
Brandon Bass, Paul Millsap, Carl Landry, David Lee, Tyrus Thomas, Tristan Thompson, Kenneth Faried, Jason Maxiell, Royce White, David West, Zach Randolph, Darrell Arthur, Reggie Evans, Glen Davis, J.J. Hickson, Chuck Hayes, Dejuan Blair. Those are guys off the top of my head who are at Robinson's height or under. There are numerous guys like Blake Griffin who are an inch taller than Robinson. Robinson makes up for the inch with absurdly long arms, a large vertical, and considerable strength.
What is your prototypical PF? Kevin Garnett? Charles Barkley? Pfft.
I don't think you understand what "Prototype" means. It means that if you were to build a single specimen, the prototype would represent the "perfect" Power Forward. Every single player you named are considered undersized.
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T.Robinson's height is fine at just under 6'9
And his built is also ideal for that position... Not Ben Wallace or Karl Malone size but still ideal range.
I'm thinking maybe simply it's confidence or even maybe talent level in general.
And his built is also ideal for that position... Not Ben Wallace or Karl Malone size but still ideal range.
I'm thinking maybe simply it's confidence or even maybe talent level in general.
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KennyDuwayne wrote:Rondo2Hondo wrote:reignfire wrote:Unless you're looking at the Heat as a model for what prototypical positioning is, no he is not.
It's not the 80's or 90's anymore.
Thomas Robinson:
Height in shoes - 6' 8.75"
Wingspan - 7' 3.25"
Weight: 244 lbs
Elton Brand:
Height in shoes - 6' 9.5"
Wingspan - 7' 5.5"
Weight: 260 lbs
Karl Malone:
Height in shoes at the 1992 Olympic Games - 6 '8"
Wingspan - 7 '2"
Weight: 250 lbs
Brandon Bass, Paul Millsap, Carl Landry, David Lee, Tyrus Thomas, Tristan Thompson, Kenneth Faried, Jason Maxiell, Royce White, David West, Zach Randolph, Darrell Arthur, Reggie Evans, Glen Davis, J.J. Hickson, Chuck Hayes, Dejuan Blair. Those are guys off the top of my head who are at Robinson's height or under. There are numerous guys like Blake Griffin who are an inch taller than Robinson. Robinson makes up for the inch with absurdly long arms, a large vertical, and considerable strength.
What is your prototypical PF? Kevin Garnett? Charles Barkley? Pfft.
I don't think you understand what "Prototype" means. It means that if you were to build a single specimen, the prototype would represent the "perfect" Power Forward. Every single player you named are considered undersized.
He is a prototype power forward in my eyes. A shade under 6'9" in shoes, tough as nails, rebounds well, is strong, very athletic, and can hit mid-range jumpers. To me that's a prototype power forward is.
Shawn Kemp, Charles Barkley, Kevin Garnett, Dirk Nowitzki were/ are all guys that have skills that you don't usually look for in a power forward. I don't know what you think a prototype power forward is. Anyway, you're off topic. This thread is ridiculous, and I'm looking forward to Robinson making a meaningful impact later in the year.
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vincecarter4pres wrote:Ricky ROY Rubio wrote:It was clear to see that Robinson would be a terrible nba player and shouldn't have been a lottery ppick. The dude is straight garbage.
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CBB_Fan wrote:Right after the college season ended, most people though TRob was the #2 pick. By the time of the NBA draft, people though he was a steal (and potential RoY candidate) at #5 to the Kings.
Right now, he isn't even in the Rookie Top-10, averaging 4.4 PPG (on 40% shooting) and 3.6 RPG. That puts him at 16th in PPG for rookies. Worse, he is about to be the first rookie suspended for dirty play because of an elbow thrown in the Kings-Pistons game that ended up hitting the opposing players neck.
It seems like his stock is free-falling. Do you feel he is a bust?
WHAT???????????
After 4 games? Just because he elbowed someone? No...no. no. Calm down. No he is not. He went to the wrong team first off and they have him playing the wrong position.
He goes from playing every minute for Kansas to the Kings. If that is the case ask this about Austin Rivers who might be more a bust then Robinson is someday...he should have stayed at Duke.
No he is not a bust. This thread is way too premature and insane. No. I would take him on our team! I tell you I love the guys makeup and game. he reminds me so much of former great Xaiver McDaniel....has a little enforcer in him once he knows the league and if he does not get a bad rep behind this suspension.
Rookies throwing elbows is not a good thing. But he plays tough and physical and does not back down and is confident in his abilities with an NBA body and skills. Once he finds a position and niche and can keep his emotions and head straight he will be alright.
I do not like him on that team though. He has the wrong support group there for him to grow. He is the kind of man that needs to be on the right team around the right vets like in Boston or Chicago with some structure.
No he is not a bust.
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And another thing...there is no such thing as a PROTYPE anything in the NBA anymore.
That should be common knoweldge. LeBron is a protype....what exactly? Guard? Forward? Center? Which one?
He can do it all!
There are some players who are just basketball players with the versatility to do and play anywhere. Was Magic Johnson a protype PG? Is Nowitzki a protype C or PF?
Some guys in the NBA play smaller for their size and strength level and some play much bigger then their size. Thomas Robinson is solid across the board.
Who came up with this thread? It's outlandish. I wonder if the creator is just hating on T-Rob because of the elbow he threw and now all of a sudden he is a bust?
That would be lame. No he is not a bust and could have been taken #1 overall in my book.
That should be common knoweldge. LeBron is a protype....what exactly? Guard? Forward? Center? Which one?
He can do it all!
There are some players who are just basketball players with the versatility to do and play anywhere. Was Magic Johnson a protype PG? Is Nowitzki a protype C or PF?
Some guys in the NBA play smaller for their size and strength level and some play much bigger then their size. Thomas Robinson is solid across the board.
Who came up with this thread? It's outlandish. I wonder if the creator is just hating on T-Rob because of the elbow he threw and now all of a sudden he is a bust?
That would be lame. No he is not a bust and could have been taken #1 overall in my book.
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T-Rob is not tough, and he can't hit mid range jumpers.
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I don't think you understand what "Prototype" means. It means that if you were to build a single specimen, the prototype would represent the "perfect" Power Forward. Every single player you named are considered undersized.
I'm not 100% on this, so correct me if I'm wrong, but, I believe you are describing an archetype. I believe prototype is more of a precursor than a perfect example.
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jazzfan1971 wrote:KennyDuwayne wrote:
I don't think you understand what "Prototype" means. It means that if you were to build a single specimen, the prototype would represent the "perfect" Power Forward. Every single player you named are considered undersized.
I'm not 100% on this, so correct me if I'm wrong, but, I believe you are describing an archetype. I believe prototype is more of a precursor than a perfect example.
"Prototype: A standard example: a standard example of a particular kind, class, or group."
This is the context in which it is used when referring to NBA players and their positions.
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Why does NBA.com list him as 6' 10"?
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