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HurricaneKid wrote:Have you seen what Brandon Jennings did to him last night? 33 pts, 8 asst, 5 reb, 4 stl, 2 bl on 57%. IN JRUE's HOUSE. Sorry, I'm not seeing what you guys are seeing. Last year at least he was a terrible shooter but a good defender. Now he just wants to get his.

Better than Westbrook? GTFO. NOW.

in Jrue's defense, Brand Jennings would have dropped 30+ points on ANYONE when he's on like that.

he's in the 10-15 range. That's not a slight the league is just full of quality pg's right now. At 22 so much room to grow. I seem him as a better version of Billups when he hits his prime

The issue isn't where he ranks now, but what he could become. He's as quick or maybe even quicker than any guard in the league. He's not there yet, but the potential is there.

Barring injury, he and Turner could be the best backcourt in the NBA two years from now.

Curmudgeon wrote:Barring injury, he and Turner could be the best backcourt in the NBA two years from now.

eh. it'd have to be with some player other than turner. technically, right now turner's not even in the backcourt.

WOW Holiday just played some Gary Payton type defense on Irving. Crowd acting like they just saw a sick dunk or something.

I'm a Sixers fans and to me it looked like the crowd was hyped because they were going at it. It was pretty good defense, sure, but Irving's lack of control was what caused the miss. He was able to penetrate somewhat.

Holds Kyrie Irving to 9 points and 4 assists. Smh at people saying not top 10.

It was a good defensive performance by Holiday tonight. He just needs to take better care of the ball and I'll consider him top ten.

Best defensive PG!

Impressive. Holiday completely shut down Irving.

reignfire wrote:

Golabki wrote:

Beard wrote:He's solidified himself now as a top ten PG in the league, IMO.

As for the future, like you said he is still young, so I can see him making several all star games over the course of his career. The future looks bright for this young pup.

Not sure about top ten

I'd rather have...

Paul
Rose
Westbrook extremely low BBIQ
Parker
Williams
Nash old, no defense
Conley no offense, no playmaking ability
Curry no defense, injury prone, no playmaking
Rondo
Lawson small, liabilty other than scoring
Irving
Rubio no offense

I think right not Holiday is a solid starter on par with Hill, Jennings, Teague, Collison (Lin and Wall are wild cards)... obviously he's younger that a lot of these guys.

I think Holiday WILL be a solid top 10 PG, but right now he's more in the 10-20 range.

I take Holiday over the bolded. Holiday is decent at everything. A bunch of PGs you listed have a bunch of glaring flaws that is easily exploited.

That's good for you, but 30/30 GM's would call you insane. No matter what flaws Westbrook has, if he was handicapped or semi-retarded, if he can do what he does on the court every night and you're team is winning, you have absolutely no reason to even consider picking Holiday over him.

Westbrook is a better player then Holiday, plain and simple, and it's not even close.

It's not like Holiday is heralded as the greatest shooter, nor is he the smartest person on the floor. He makes mistakes, bone-headed plays too.

Jrue Holiday is Gary Payton without the Trash Talk

TheToothFairy wrote:Jrue Holiday is Gary Payton without the Trash Talk

Holiday shut's down Irving at the 1:40 mark... Enjoy

Irving was going And 1 on him, and Holiday held his own... Probably a top 3 defender of PGs at the moment...

http://www.nba.com/video/games/sixers/2 ... index.html

Great young player who came into the league with question marks over whether he could be a competent PG. Was a quick learner (PG a tough position to come into) and has many good years ahead of him.

More reliance on him this season and he should enjoy that.

rod strickland

look at the play right before holiday D'd up irving... he crossed irving and then scooped a layup around varajao...

holiday is sick on defense... PG's in today's NBA are going to score especailly with the PnR... its about limiting them as best you can... brandon jennings was going insane that night making everything... that wasnt a lack of D from holiday

iguodala called holiday the best defensive PG in the league and one of the best defenders period...

his turnovers have been down the last 3 games and will continue to come down..

he's shooting 45% from 3... and thats not a fluke he was about 40% last year IIRC

putting guys like curry and lawson and rubio ect ect around his level is a joke... those guys dont know what defense is

i think you also have to put holiday above irving right now as a PG... irving is a great scorer and will keep getting better, but as far as a PG right now he's not where holiday is

holiday is literally carrying us every game right now... someone posted a stat... hes 4th in assists per game yet as a team we are like 27th and 29th in scoring and in FG%....

just think about that for a minute... 4th in assists in the nba on a team that is horrible on offense and shooting horrible right now... and now low post threat at all

that makes it all the more impressive

I think he's just creeping into the top 10 now, and I think he'll stay in the 7-10 range for PGs for his career. He might get lucky one year because others get injured to get an All-Star, but otherwise a fringe all-star throughout his career.

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