Jeremy Lin has been turned into Derek Fisher

[orange_juice32]

Also Ty Lawson is playing pretty bad this season but no one seems to talk about him. He has more talent and time with his team than Lin does.

Lawson is an average player who receives an average amount of media/fan hype.
Lin is an average player who receives an abundant amount of media/fan hype.


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Which has nothing to do with what NiqtheAntiq and biglove were talking about. So no, ballboy, no one needed you to explain anything.

[samfisher83]

You should check out the clutchfans thread, The LOF are making every excuse in the world for him.

Everything from racism to harden to sampson.

[EArl]

He certainly flopped like him tonight.

When did he flop?

Exhibit A

[dingclancy]

Kobe half death stare

[hayden]

it comes down to the rockets not utilizing lin's playmaking abilities. he's an inconsistent spot-up shooter, and his confidence in his shooting is at an all-time low... but they still are having him play that role, with harden being the primary ball handler. if anything, lin should be creating at all times and harden should be the spot-up shooter and last resort, iso player.

i mean, look at today's game... by all accounts, he played like trash, but still managed to dish 10 dimes.

[slick_watts]

I don't think Jeremy Lin is good enough to be a full time play maker since he's extremely turnover prone. I don't think he's good enough to be a full time secondary play maker because his jump shot is erratic. I think that he needs the ball in his hands to score consistently because he can't shoot, and over the long run requires a lot of FTA to be efficient.

Harden plays way better off the ball than Lin, so I think Houston would be better served using Lin more on the ball - even though Harden is probably better than Lin there a well. IMO Lin isn't very good at all, and is a hard player to build a team around since he has so many deficiencies and needs the ball in his hands to have a chance to be effective.

[Ginger Bean]

Lin will stick in the league, similar to Antonio Daniels and Jon Barry type players who gm's realized weren't star players but could be a productive spark plug who gives u 25 mpg with energy and scoring off the bench.

My honest opinion is he will do better next season with the Rockets once they full gel. My guess is the Rockets need a pure PG starting with Harden like a Norris Cole or Roddy Bedboius type contract on the cheap and have Lin playing the backup 1 and 2 spots as sixth man still getting quality minutes. That would be his best role. Lin is honestly a 6-7 mill production combo guard getting a star level pg contract which was silly to begin with.

Also Ty Lawson is playing pretty bad this season but no one seems to talk about him. He has more talent and time with his team than Lin does.

6-7 million is OK for Lin, but 8.3 million is star level and too much?

On everything else you said, I'm starting to come to the conclusion that you're right. I guess they need more time to gel, but I'm not that optimistic at this point. Poorly constructed team.

[Oscirus]

Ok people can't have it both ways. If you want to average out his contract to 8 per then average it out. If we are going to talk about the balloon payment in his final year then we should also acknowledge the fact that he makes about five million per year in his first two years.

That being said, Lin can't be the primary ball handler because his handle is horrific. I don't know why he didn't work on it over the summer, but those be the breaks i suppose. Can he eventually become all star calibur? Sure, it takes time and hard work obviously. And they have three years to build on it. If Houston is smart they'll bring in a veteran pg to mentor him. Otherwise, he will be a waste.

[sunskerr]

Dragic is averaging 16/7 and is the best player on the Suns for $7.5m iirc. I'm so glad Houston didn't pursue him.

But about Lin, imo he's not a bad player at all. I think some people's expectations were maybe a little high because of his...what was it? 10 game streak? They have Harden so that relieves a lot of pressure from Lin to do everything on offense, but it also negatively impacts Lin's stats. Remember, before Harden came they would have been starting Martin/Parsons/Patterson/Asik.

[Jajwanda]

Why not bench him and get a spot up shooter/decent defender to start. No not Toney Douglass.

[thelastpope]

Houston keeps forgetting
Lowry didn't like the coachs and would rather play in Toronto , then Houston
Dragic's Girlfriend lives in Phoenix and would rather play in Phoenix then Houston
Lin would rather play on the Knicks then Houston , then they poison pilled the Knicks
Harden would rather play in OKC then Houston , then OKC GM gave him an ultimatum

[Ginger Bean]

Lol, at least Asik is happy with Houston, right?

[CU_NY09]

I don't think Jeremy Lin is good enough to be a full time play maker since he's extremely turnover prone. I don't think he's good enough to be a full time secondary play maker because his jump shot is erratic. I think that he needs the ball in his hands to score consistently because he can't shoot, and over the long run requires a lot of FTA to be efficient.

Harden plays way better off the ball than Lin, so I think Houston would be better served using Lin more on the ball - even though Harden is probably better than Lin there a well. IMO Lin isn't very good at all, and is a hard player to build a team around since he has so many deficiencies and needs the ball in his hands to have a chance to be effective.

This turnover prone talk is a little overblown. Harden as the primary ball handler actually has more turnovers than Lin. I don't have as big an issue with them because I know they're not a result of consistently, bad decision making. I do agree that Harden plays a lot better off the ball than Lin, so they should use Lin on the ball more. Whether you want to believe it or not, Lin does a pretty good job of distributing the ball, maybe even better than Harden.

Lin has a 3 year contract and an average, starting PG salary. It's highly unlikely that the Rockets are building around him, if they could trade him for a better piece to compliment the identity of the Rockets (and now Harden), they'd do it in a heartbeat. IMO, Morey pretty much confirmed it when he was on reddit, he's all about tradable assets.

[thelastpope]

Lol, at least Asik is happy with Houston, right?

All foreign player are just happy there in America

[CoolColJ]

He certainly flopped like him tonight.

When did he flop?

Exhibit A

Looked like a foul to me

[brownsmith89]

Lin will stick in the league, similar to Antonio Daniels and Jon Barry type players who gm's realized weren't star players but could be a productive spark plug who gives u 25 mpg with energy and scoring off the bench.

that's an interesting comparison with jon barry. making millions of dollars and coming off the bench for 25 minutes is nothing to be ashamed of.

i thought lin would be doing better while not having pressure from the new york media.
i just hope he can turn out better without injuries.

[Ginger Bean]

i thought lin would be doing better while not having pressure from the new york media.
i just hope he can turn out better without injuries.

He has just as much pressure now (to "live up to his contract"), but with McHale on indefinite leave (say what you will about McHale as a coach, but the players seem to like him tremendously), an assistant coach trying to be the head coach, and a much worse team than the Knicks to play with?

I guess this team has to improve together, because there are weaknesses everywhere. Lin can't get good screens set for him; don't understand why he has to beg Patterson who then refuses or sets a really crappy one. And if Lin's shot weren't freaking atrocious right now, he could spread the floor for Harden a bit. And if Harden didn't take so many pointless step-back threes... oh nevermind, this team frustrates me so much.

[seren]

Ok people can't have it both ways. If you want to average out his contract to 8 per then average it out. If we are going to talk about the balloon payment in his final year then we should also acknowledge the fact that he makes about five million per year in his first two years.

That being said, Lin can't be the primary ball handler because his handle is horrific. I don't know why he didn't work on it over the summer, but those be the breaks i suppose. Can he eventually become all star calibur? Sure, it takes time and hard work obviously. And they have three years to build on it. If Houston is smart they'll bring in a veteran pg to mentor him. Otherwise, he will be a waste.

Balloon payment is irrelevant. What is relevant is how much it counts on the cap. It counts at 8.3 million a year for all three years.

So no. He is not paid like a star.

[Perdido/BR]

Houston keeps forgetting
Lin would rather play on the Knicks then Houston , then they poison pilled the Knicks

Lin´s contract with Houston is not that bad. Had the Knicks signed him, though, It would be a bad, bad contract. And there was no shortage of posts on Realgm saying the Knicks screwed up by letting him go, that the team was going nowhere without him (and according to the GB, nowhere with him too. Actually, per the GB the Knicks are going nowhere, ever, ever, ever. We could get a prime MJ, and the GB would still say the Knicks will suck forever.

[hayden]

I don't think Jeremy Lin is good enough to be a full time play maker since

he's extremely turnover prone

. I don't think he's good enough to be a full time secondary play maker because his jump shot is erratic. I think that he needs the ball in his hands to score consistently because he can't shoot, and over the long run requires a lot of FTA to be efficient.

Harden plays way better off the ball than Lin, so I think Houston would be better served using Lin more on the ball - even though Harden is probably better than Lin there a well. IMO Lin isn't very good at all, and is a hard player to build a team around since he has so many deficiencies and needs the ball in his hands to have a chance to be effective.

You haven't watched many Houston games this year, have you? Probably should reserve your judgement until you do.

A PG who is avging 10 pts, 7 asts, 2.2 stls, 4.4 rbs shoots 87% from the ft... while not being the primary ball handler, isn't very good at all. lol

You put Rondo in the same role and he'll give you those exact same avgs with the same horrid shooting % from the 3 and worst ft shooting from the line.