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Post#46 Re: Front-runner for Most Improved Player?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:26 pm by Mr_Perfect

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Post#47 Re: Front-runner for Most Improved Player?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:39 pm by Luv those Knicks

ROballer wrote:Some candidates

Omer Asik

Last season: 3.1 ppg 5.3 rpg 1.0 blk 50% FG 45% FT in 14.7 mpg
This season:11.1 ppg 13.2 rpg 1.2 blk 46% FG 73% FT in 33.3 mpg

James Harden

Last season:16.8 ppg 4.1 rpg 3.7 apg 1.0 spg 49%FG 39% 3P 84% FT in 31.4 mpg
This season:26.7 ppg 4.8.rpg 4.7 apg 1.6 spg 44%FG 26%3P 83%FT in 40.1 mpg

Nicolas Batum

Last season:13.9 ppg 4.6 rpg 1.4 apg 1.0 spg 1.0 bpg 45%FG 39%3P 83%FT in 30.4 mpg
This season:20.8 ppg 6.3 rpg 3.2 apg 2.3 spg 1.3 bpg 48%FG 39%3P 76%FT in 39.7 mpg

Jrue Holiday

Last season:13.5 ppg 3.3rpg 4.5apg 43%FG 38%3P 78%FT in 33.8 mpg
This season:19.1 ppg 4.0rpg 8.6apg 45%FG 45%3P 78%FT in 38.2 mpg

JJ Redick

Last season:11.6 ppg 2.3rpg 2.5 apg 0.4 spg 42%FG 42%3P 91%FT in 27.2 mpg
This season:15.8 ppg 2.3rpg 5.5 apg 0.8 spg 49%FG 39%3P 86%FT in 32.5 mpg

Glen Davis

Last season:9.3 ppg 5.4 rpg 0.8 apg 42%FG 68% FT in 23.4 mpg
This season:15.6 ppg 8.3 rpg 2.5 apg 43%FG 58%FT in 32.3 mpg

Al Farouq Aminu

Last season:6.0 ppg 4.7 rpg 1.0 apg 0.9 spg 0.5 bpg 41%FG 28% 3P 75%FT in 22.4 mpg
This season:12.0 ppg 8.1rpg 2.5apg 1.8 spg 1.1 bpg 50%FG 18% 3P 68%FT in 31.5 mpg

Kemba Walker

Last season:12.1 ppg 3.5 rpg 4.4 apg 0.9 spg 36%FG 30%3P 79%FT in 27.2 mpg
This season:18.8 ppg 3.9 rpg 5.5 apg 2.5 spg 42%FG 17%3P 86%FT in 36.6 mpg


Vucevic and E'Twaun Moore saw big improvements statistic wise from their rookie seasons but I don't know if they'll keep the current pace(especially Moore) so I didn't add them

Jordan and Ibaka score more(3 ppg Jordan ,5 ppg Ibaka),but are actually rebounding less and blocking shots at a similar rate as last year.

Mayo has a big improvement statistic wise from last year,but he had a big rookie season and I don't consider him necessarily most improved..he had it in him

Meanwhile,all the players I listed above are having by far,their best season, production wise



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Putting up career highs in every category except offensive rebounding.

Pts, Rebs, Assists, Steals, Blocks, Fewest TO's cept for his 2nd season - 18 MPG and best shooting percentages too. 3 pointers attempted is way down off his career highs too.
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Post#48 Re: Front-runner for Most Improved Player?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:41 pm by Promezclan

Yeah, if JR Smith continues to shoot 64% on 3-pointers, he's pretty golden
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Post#49 Re: Front-runner for Most Improved Player?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:48 pm by CBB_Fan

I don't think Harden should be considered for this. He has improved, he's been unleashed.
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Post#50 Re: Front-runner for Most Improved Player?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:39 pm by phoenixx

Not Harden because he hasn't improved; he was and still is a great player. He's just getting more minutes as a starter.

I'd say Omer Asik is the most improved player. Just looking at his FT%, he jumped from 50% to 73%. That's insane, along with his rebounding and slightly improved offense.
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Post#51 Re: Front-runner for Most Improved Player?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:41 pm by sir G Wallace

Definitely Omer Asik. He is also shooting 73% FTs this year. For a guy who barely shot 50% his first two seasons, now THAT is improvement.
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Post#52 Re: Front-runner for Most Improved Player?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:50 pm by Young_Star11

Always felt that this award should not really go to 2nd/3rd year guys because you expect improvement.

Ironically though I go Asik.
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Post#53 Re: Front-runner for Most Improved Player?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:52 pm by ennui

I have Asik, Reddick and Mayo on my fantasy team, made out nice. I think it's between those three and Harden so far.
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Post#54 Re: Front-runner for Most Improved Player?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:53 pm by Bertrob

Moore looks like he'll have a strong case
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Post#55 Re: Front-runner for Most Improved Player?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:26 pm by Peezy

Demar Derpzan . The guy is playing like a brand new player. You can really see he went from a boy to a man.
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Post#56 Re: Front-runner for Most Improved Player?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 10:22 pm by JoseRizal

Asik, Harden & Mayo might slug it out...
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Post#57 Re: Front-runner for Most Improved Player?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:38 am by StatLine

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Post#58 Re: Front-runner for Most Improved Player?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:00 am by junot111

My vote goes to Redick... the dude went from being a one-dimensional shooter to a ballhandler that can score and make plays for his teammates... Asik,DeRozan, and Batum are also deserving of the award. Players like Mayo and Harden are just getting more opportunities to put up stats.
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Post#59 Re: Front-runner for Most Improved Player?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:04 am by richboy

Advanced stats would say Harden is actually worse only shooting more as a number 1 option. But not nearly as efficiently.

I would say Mayo or Batum. Mayo was thought for dead. Was on the verge of bust status. Suddenly people are thinking maybe if Dirk comes back with the way he has played they can do something.
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Post#60 Re: Front-runner for Most Improved Player?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:25 am by TylerTheDebater

Asik winning would be a joke. You increase his minutes by 150% and his stats go up 150%? So he's producing nearly the exact same on a minute to minute basis? Sounds like he's the same player and the Rockets should be given credit for giving him a bigger role.
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Post#61 Re: Front-runner for Most Improved Player?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:37 am by aal04

Why harden?

How can a guy go from best 6th to MIP?

Hes not in the running imo.
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Post#62 Re: Front-runner for Most Improved Player?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:37 am by Promezclan

Not that this is how the award is actually given, but here are PER improvements from the previous best year to this year (through 11/17):

1. Crawford: 6.0 (18.9 -> 24.9)
2. Walker: 5.4 (14.9 -> 20.3)
3. Mayo: 5.4 (14.7 -> 20.1)
4. Batum: 4.9 (17.3 -> 22.2)
5. Varejao: 4.4 (18.9 -> 23.0)
6. Dragic: 3.8 (18 -> 21.8)
7. Holiday: 3.6 (15.4 -> 18.0)
8. Sanders: 3.6 (13.3 -> 16.9)
9. Redick: 3.3 (15.1 -> 18.4)
10. JR Smith: 2.7 (18.1 -> 20.8)
11. D. Jordan: 2.5 (16.4 -> 18.9)
12. G. Davis: 2.2 (13.2 -> 15.4)
13. DeRozan: 1.9 (14.4 -> 16.3)
14. Asik: 0.7 (13.4 -> 14.1)
15. Harden: 0.4 (21.1 -> 21.5)

16. Ibaka: -0.4 (19.0 -> 18.6)
17. Kirilenko: -3.2 (24.4 -> 21.2)

In fact, if anything, I'd say you are LESS likely to win the award if you currently have a big PER improvement. Crawford and Walker are much more likely to just regress to their mean, while people like Asik and Harden are likely to keep on playing the same as they always have (with more minutes), and thus I'd bet on them.

Still, booby prize for whoever suggested AK47.
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Post#63 Re: Front-runner for Most Improved Player?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:54 am by Doctor MJ

Basti wrote:Not that I think he's a top candidate anyway but would Kirilenko be eligible?


Are there any rules about this award? I think you can vote for anyone.

Worth noting that we have a MIP instead of a "Comeback Player of the Year" award. Kirilenko would clearly run away with CPOY.
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Post#64 Re: Front-runner for Most Improved Player?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:58 am by Doctor MJ

Promezclan wrote:Not that this is how the award is actually given, but here are PER improvements from the previous best year to this year (through 11/17):

1. Crawford: 6.0 (18.9 -> 24.9)
2. Walker: 5.4 (14.9 -> 20.3)
3. Mayo: 5.4 (14.7 -> 20.1)
4. Batum: 4.9 (17.3 -> 22.2)
5. Varejao: 4.4 (18.9 -> 23.0)
6. Dragic: 3.8 (18 -> 21.8)
7. Holiday: 3.6 (15.4 -> 18.0)
8. Sanders: 3.6 (13.3 -> 16.9)
9. Redick: 3.3 (15.1 -> 18.4)
10. JR Smith: 2.7 (18.1 -> 20.8)
11. D. Jordan: 2.5 (16.4 -> 18.9)
12. G. Davis: 2.2 (13.2 -> 15.4)
13. DeRozan: 1.9 (14.4 -> 16.3)
14. Asik: 0.7 (13.4 -> 14.1)
15. Harden: 0.4 (21.1 -> 21.5)

16. Ibaka: -0.4 (19.0 -> 18.6)
17. Kirilenko: -3.2 (24.4 -> 21.2)

In fact, if anything, I'd say you are LESS likely to win the award if you currently have a big PER improvement. Crawford and Walker are much more likely to just regress to their mean, while people like Asik and Harden are likely to keep on playing the same as they always have (with more minutes), and thus I'd bet on them.

Still, booby prize for whoever suggested AK47.


:roll: Are you serious?

Obviously they're considering Kirilenko compared to where he left off, not compared to his peak. If you do aPER judgement that way then Kirilenko is right there with Varejao.
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Post#65 Re: Front-runner for Most Improved Player?
Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:59 am by Doctor MJ

aal04 wrote:Why harden?

How can a guy go from best 6th to MIP?

Hes not in the running imo.


By being way better than a 6MOY I suppose. Not sure what's hard to grasp here. It's not like 6MOY is an award so prestigious that no further improvement is beneficial. Quite frankly, anyone who wins the award probably has mixed feelings about even getting it.

But anyway, no, I don't see him being a strong candidate for the award.
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