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Post#31 Re: is it disloyal if miami trades wade?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:03 pm by kingofcomedy

I_Socrates wrote:
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Ignitowsky wrote:Disloyal, no. Stupid, yes


People really dont know what regular season means.... At the time of playoffs you will understand why he is untradeable.... Dont look at his stats because Lebron handles the ball


That's what you guys said last year... and he looked DONE in the PO's.
I'm not sure he's DONE per se yet, but he's close; taking into account his injury history and playing style, his body has taken a LOT of beating (even with all the flopping and acting he does). His game is predicated around speed and athleticism, but he does have the tools to age well with the killer mid range game and also a post up game, which will only help.

It would be foolish to trade him because they won't get what he's worth to them from anyone else, much like the Amar'e scenario in NY.

Lol his situation or trade value is nothing like amare its more on par with dirk, teams with cap wouldn't take amare in a salary dump
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Post#32 Re: is it disloyal if miami trades wade?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:05 pm by druggas

If Wilt, Kareem, Shaq, Howard, and almost Kobe can be traded, Wade certainly can be.
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Post#33 Re: is it disloyal if miami trades wade?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:08 pm by gethigh

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that's all you need to know on the Loyalty subject.
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Post#34 Re: is it disloyal if miami trades wade?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:09 pm by durden_tyler

Greatest move by Riley if he can get value off him. F^ck loyalty, this is the NBA.
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Post#35 Re: is it disloyal if miami trades wade?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:11 pm by I_Socrates

KingofComedy, there aren't many teams that would take him as a salary dump, either. Maybe about 5 teams that would if they could, but can't so that's moot. Teams like Toronto would be interested but don't have the cap space and/or necessary expirings, other than that if you can name 5 teams that can and would trade expirings/picks for D-Wade, please give me the list and what they would offer and whether Miami would accept that.
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Post#36 Re: is it disloyal if miami trades wade?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:11 pm by kingofcomedy

durden_tyler wrote:Greatest move by Riley if he can get value off him. F^ck loyalty, this is the NBA.

Mayo and Kaman enough?
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Post#37 Re: is it disloyal if miami trades wade?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:13 pm by CB-Blazer

kingofcomedy wrote:
Ettorefm wrote:I can even accept Love over Wade for the experience and never going to the playoffs, that's great. Still, you have 5 guys ahead of him, and 2/3 others in the same tier (for me Rondo is higher than Wade in any list right now, for example)
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Also, you have two of the best 5 players (IMO) injuried in Rose/Dirk. I'm not putting them in the list because as I said, I live in the real world, not imaginationland. When they get back, I'll talk. At the same time, Wade is lucky those guys aren't playing..
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I just can't see Wade being better right now (or since the beginning of the 10-11 season) than Paul, Rondo, Lebron, Howard, Kobe and Durant.

Rondo is an excellent player, however he shouldn't be on any top 5 list, imo a top 5 player should be able to lead a team of nobodies atleast close to the playoffs, if u put rondo on the bobcats they're still a lotto team as with Kevin love


Wade was able to that once, maybe twice in his career. And he is way past the point to be able to do that nowadays. Put Wade on the Pistons or Wizards and they are still one of the worst teams in the leauge.
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Post#38 Re: is it disloyal if miami trades wade?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:13 pm by kingofcomedy

I_Socrates wrote:KingofComedy, there aren't many teams that would take him as a salary dump, either. Maybe about 5 teams that would if they could, but can't so that's moot. Teams like Toronto would be interested but don't have the cap space and/or necessary expirings, other than that if you can name 5 teams that can and would trade expirings/picks for D-Wade, please give me the list and what they would offer and whether Miami would accept that.

Your question is irrelevant, u compared hIm to amare, no team would touch amares contract as a salary dump if they had cap, every team including my mavs would take wade
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Post#39 Re: is it disloyal if miami trades wade?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:19 pm by hugolizard

That would look very bad on their franchise. Would Lebron then request a trade now knowing he'll get traded the moment he starts declining? Would other top FAs want to sign there in the future?

Wade isn't putting in 100% right now knowing his body can't do the full 82 games + playoffs. So even though he's definitely not the same player he once was, I wouldn't trade him right now. Plus who are you going to trade him to anyway? Only a contender would want a 30+ Wade and I'm sure Miami wouldn't trade him to one of those guys.
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Post#40 Re: is it disloyal if miami trades wade?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:32 pm by I_Socrates

kingofcomedy wrote:
I_Socrates wrote:KingofComedy, there aren't many teams that would take him as a salary dump, either. Maybe about 5 teams that would if they could, but can't so that's moot. Teams like Toronto would be interested but don't have the cap space and/or necessary expirings, other than that if you can name 5 teams that can and would trade expirings/picks for D-Wade, please give me the list and what they would offer and whether Miami would accept that.

Your question is irrelevant, u compared hIm to amare, no team would touch amares contract as a salary dump if they had cap, every team including my mavs would take wade


How is my question irrelevant? I said trade wise, it's a similar position. If you learned to read, you would understand what I said. Let me quote myself.

It would be foolish to trade him because they won't get what he's worth to them from anyone else, much like the Amar'e scenario in NY.


What I said, quite clearly, was that he's worth more to the Heat than what they could get from any team trading for him, which also, factually, happens to be the truth behind the Amar'e/NY situation. Amar'e will have the most value to NY as a player, not as a trade piece; as such, Miami will get the most value out of D-Wade as a player, not out of a trade.

Just because you don't have an answer to my question doesn't make it irrelevant, it actually makes you ignorant and somewhat wrong.
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Post#41 Re: is it disloyal if miami trades wade?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:37 pm by kingofcomedy

^^ the knicks are better without amare he's an awful fit with melo, Miami isn't a better team without wade so they are different in regards to team value and trade value, just accept the fact that u made an awful comparison
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Post#42 Re: is it disloyal if miami trades wade?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:40 pm by DEEP3CL

Wade is that franchise, he made guys want to play there again. But you can never rule out whats best for the franchise, trading him is a major PR hit that could level major damage among it's fans and business dealings for that matter. On the other hand if you land the right pieces in a so called trade and it makes you better than before then it's good. Yeah it'll sting for awhile but W's wipe everything away at some point.
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Post#43 Re: is it disloyal if miami trades wade?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:47 pm by azzah

trade wade and you can almost count on Lebron wanting to leave, he came to Miami to play with his best friend and was sold on joining Miami due to loyalty and family
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Post#44 Re: is it disloyal if miami trades wade?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:56 pm by Stephen Colbert

Ettorefm wrote:I can even accept Love over Wade for the experience and never going to the playoffs, that's great. Still, you have 5 guys ahead of him, and 2/3 others in the same tier (for me Rondo is higher than Wade in any list right now, for example)
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Also, you have two of the best 5 players (IMO) injuried in Rose/Dirk. I'm not putting them in the list because as I said, I live in the real world, not imaginationland. When they get back, I'll talk. At the same time, Wade is lucky those guys aren't playing..
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I just can't see Wade being better right now (or since the beginning of the 10-11 season) than Paul, Rondo, Lebron, Howard, Kobe and Durant.
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Actually, RIGHT NOW, november 18th (so, only this season), my list would be
1)Lebron
2)Melo
3)Durant
4)Kobe
5)Paul
6)Rondo
7)Irving ( 24/6/4 on 47% is MVP Rose-like)
8)Parker
9)Duncan
10)Howard

I agree, so if he is playing near MVP caliber ball then why is he 6 on your list? If Melo gets the bump to number 2 because of his high level of play RIGHT NOW then Irving should too.
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Post#45 Re: is it disloyal if miami trades wade?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:56 pm by SVictor

Ignitowsky wrote:Disloyal, no. Stupid, yes
knickstape1214 wrote:Just so we can see every side of this thread before I close it -

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Post#46 Re: is it disloyal if miami trades wade?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:07 pm by GreenBloodedC

If Wade's going to be traded, it would be something of mutual agreement. Ala KG to the Celtics. But I can't see that happening while Lebron is around.
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Post#47 Re: is it disloyal if miami trades wade?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 8:11 pm by narmerguy

Miami wouldn't trade Wade until it became clear that the fanbase was angry and upset with him for sucking. That won't really happen until miami gets eliminated in the playoffs and the blame games begin. If Miami keeps winning, it will be hard to justify trading him when he's so beloved among the fans and it's not like he's that bad. He's got the potential to light up a team still, he just needs to put it together. Not saying that entitles him to being in the top 5, but it's enough to make someone not feel compelled to trade him and face the wrath that follows (including James losing faith in the team image that he was sold on).
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Post#48 Re: is it disloyal if miami trades wade?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:40 pm by GeneralNbaFan

CB-Blazer wrote:
GeneralNbaFan wrote:
kingofcomedy wrote:LeBron looked bad in the finals because he was being guarded by excellentdefenders, he was still athletic and explosive his shot was just off which he's never been a great shooter, wade now lacks explosiveness and he'll be 31 hitting fa


No one can guard Lebron, even excellent defenders.... my point : Wade had a bad playoff series , but who cares?With bad I mean bad for his standarts (which means still top 10)!

If he plays bad again the you are right, but until then you have to wait, because its still regular season!

And its not ridiculous to call Wade a top 5 player... Because after Lebron and Howard, Wade Kobe Durant Dirk and I think Anthony also, are arguable.....


Quit being a homer man.

Lebron
Bosh
Kobe
Howard
Rondo
Durant
Duncan

Are all clearly better than Wade. This doesn't counter injured players like Rose and Love who are both better than Wade at this point in their careers also.

Wade has been vastly over-hyped, which I don't understand because Bosh has been vastly underhyped.


If you really think that they are better than Wade, than there is no need to argue!
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Post#49 Re: is it disloyal if miami trades wade?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:45 pm by GeneralNbaFan

kingofcomedy wrote:
Ettorefm wrote:I can even accept Love over Wade for the experience and never going to the playoffs, that's great. Still, you have 5 guys ahead of him, and 2/3 others in the same tier (for me Rondo is higher than Wade in any list right now, for example)
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Also, you have two of the best 5 players (IMO) injuried in Rose/Dirk. I'm not putting them in the list because as I said, I live in the real world, not imaginationland. When they get back, I'll talk. At the same time, Wade is lucky those guys aren't playing..
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I just can't see Wade being better right now (or since the beginning of the 10-11 season) than Paul, Rondo, Lebron, Howard, Kobe and Durant.

Rondo is an excellent player, however he shouldn't be on any top 5 list, imo a top 5 player should be able to lead a team of nobodies atleast close to the playoffs, if u put rondo on the bobcats they're still a lotto team as with Kevin love


I actually like Rondo but he is not better than Wade.... and I dont know what to say about Love..... how can you consider him a top 10 player? Because of espn?
People need to understand that playing for contender and a non playoffs/barely playoff team are a complete another story....like scoring at crunch time and garbage time!
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Post#50 Re: is it disloyal if miami trades wade?
Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:55 pm by CB-Blazer

If you really think that they are better than Wade, than there is no need to argue!


Duncan is averaging 18 points, 10 rebounds and 3 assists in 30 minutes a game. What exactly is Wade doing this year?

And Bosh? 20 points, 8 rebounds and 2 assists in 32 mpg.

What is Wade doing? 17 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists in 33 minutes a game.......


Can you give me an arguement on exactly why they aren't on Wades level?
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