Is Jeff Green an asset or liability?

[redzealots]

we can throw in gasol + nash in the trade too for rondo and pierce back.


after the trade the lines up will look like


Celtics

Gasol
Garnet
Artest
Terry
Nash


Lakers

Dwight
Bass
Pierce
Kobe
Rondo

[CelticsRise]

the lakers can offer the celtics


Chris Duhon
Steve Blake
and an option of Earl Clark and or Devin Ebanks.

This would make both teams automatically better.

LOL..Lakers want to dump their garbage in Boston

[CelticsRise]

we can throw in gasol + nash in the trade too for rondo and pierce back.


after the trade the lines up will look like


Celtics

Gasol
Garnet
Artest
Terry
Nash


Lakers

Dwight
Bass
Pierce
Kobe
Rondo

While you are at it why don't you get Lebron and Bosh for Ebanks and Sacre!!!

[sfernald]

Dude had heart surgery. That is as serious as it gets. People wonder why he is so lethargic. He had heart surgery! You have to give him a couple years to show his stuff after that kind of ordeal. It's not his fault the Celtics' front office lost their mind signing him to that horrible deal.

[redzealots]

we can throw in gasol + nash in the trade too for rondo and pierce back.


after the trade the lines up will look like


Celtics

Gasol
Garnet
Artest
Terry
Nash


Lakers

Dwight
Bass
Pierce
Kobe
Rondo

While you are at it why don't you get Lebron and Bosh for Ebanks and Sacre!!!

i would like to but in order to get rondo and some other players , we might have to add in ebanks.

if the heat is interested in darius morris and our 2nd round pick in 2015. we can throw that in.

[sfernald]

we can throw in gasol + nash in the trade too for rondo and pierce back.


after the trade the lines up will look like


Celtics

Gasol
Garnet
Artest
Terry
Nash


Lakers

Dwight
Bass
Pierce
Kobe
Rondo

While you are at it why don't you get Lebron and Bosh for Ebanks and Sacre!!!

i would like to but in order to get rondo and some other players , we might have to add in ebanks.

if the heat is interested in darius morris and our 2nd round pick in 2015. we can throw that in.

That would be kinda cool if the Celtics and Lakers just swapped jerseys for a year.

[CelticsRise]

To OP:

Jefff Gree is asset as well as liability depending on how you look at it.

Asset for opponents and liability for Cs

[slick_watts]

Even before his heart surgery everyone knew that Jeff Green wasn't that good. He had over 10k minutes played already, including 400 minutes of invisible playoffs performance. He can't shoot that well, he can't defend either SF or PF consistently, he wavers in and out of games, his handle is okay but he's not assertive... then you add the fact that he missed a season with heart surgery? The contract he received from the Celtics was and is ridiculous.

Jeff Green is one or two nice athletic plays a week that make you go 'WOW', and a whole lot of disappointment.

[allenjerome]

Jeff Green makes former NBA player Derrick McKey look like a go-getter....

[TheOGJabroni]

[Captain_Caveman]

People are still bashing Jeff Green?

LOL

[bostonHEATparty]

People are still bashing Jeff Green?

LOL

No, the thread was made in november

[Captain_Caveman]

People are still bashing Jeff Green?

LOL

No, the thread was made in november

Thanks, I'm slow on the draw sometimes, lol. Here is some salary info I posted last summer, as long as we on the topic...

Salaries of SFs around the league for this season. You can quibble with a few of the names not being SFs, such as Josh Smith and Odom, but since Green can also play a little PF, I wouldn't.

Further, I don't know that it is a full guaranteed $36m. It may include incentives and perhaps only be partially guaranteed in Year 4. But let's assume it is, and that it would have standard raises over the term of the contract (something I have also done with Batum's and Kirilenko's deals).

The numbers look like this, for most of the non-rookie deals above the MLE:

$19.5m Carmelo Anthony
$17.5m LeBron James
$17.5m Kevin Durant
$16.8m Paul Pierce
$16.5m Rudy Gay
$14.7m Andre Iguodala
$13.7m Rashard Lewis (buyout amount, salary was for $23m)
$13.3m Luol Deng
$13.2m Josh Smith
$13.1m Danny Granger
$11.8m Hidayet Turkoglu
$11m Nicolas Batum
$10.9m Corey Maggette
$10.2m Richard Jefferson
$10.1m Stephen Jackson
$9.8m Andrei Kirilenko
$9.7m Gerald Wallace
$9.4m Danilo Gallinari
$8.6m Shawn Marion
$8.3m Marvin Williams
$8.2m Lamar Odom
$8.1m Jeff Green
$8.1m John Salmons
$8m Caron Butler
$8m Thaddeus Young
$7.9m Ersan Ilyasova
$7.3m Trevor Ariza
$7.3m Metta World Peace
$6.8m Tayshaun Prince
$6.7m Al Harrington
$6.5m Josh Childress (amnestied)
$6.1m Luke Walton
$5.9m Wilson Chandler
$5.8m Mike Miller
$5.6m Michael Beasley

The brouhaha on this seems a bit odd for an established 15p/6r defender that has basically been underutilized and playing out of position with no point guard since he got in the league.

How is that not market rate, or a bit below?

[spearsy23]

I'm assuming this thread was bumped by a celtics fan to "rub the doubter's faces in it", he's a league average player and other players having bad contracts doesn't make his better. It's a common trap to fall into 'player x is making this much so player y deserves his contract.' Well, no, that's not the way it works.

[Captain_Caveman]

I'm assuming this thread was bumped by a celtics fan to "rub the doubter's faces in it", he's a league average player and other players having bad contracts doesn't make his better. It's a common trap to fall into 'player x is making this much so player y deserves his contract.' Well, no, that's not the way it works.

Meh. The claim was that the contract wasn't market rate, and I am just demonstrating that it was.

If he were just a backup SF, maybe, but Jeff Green is a 3-position player and IMO one of the better bench guys in the league. Underrated defender for sure. Him becoming the poster child for bad contracts this summer struck me as odd. Cs are old, but they were a game away from the Finals last year with half a team, and play in a conference with LeBron and Melo, who Green provides good defensive depth for. It was worth going for it this year, and it's not like there was some major opportunity cost in terms of cap room or whatever. If they need to get rid of him in a year or two, it will be easy enough to do.

As to rubbing his haters faces in it, they earned it and then some. Wasn't Celtics fans pimping this guy for the All-Star team, it was haters calling the Perkins trade the worst ever and Green's resigning as the worst contract ever. Don't know why they chose to own themselves that way, but they did and here we are.

[WhateverBro]

I'm assuming this thread was bumped by a celtics fan to "rub the doubter's faces in it", he's a league average player and other players having bad contracts doesn't make his better. It's a common trap to fall into 'player x is making this much so player y deserves his contract.' Well, no, that's not the way it works.

What numbers support him an average player in this league? Hes clearly above average and has allstar level potential.

[Heat fan06]

Lol

[Doormatt]

I'm assuming this thread was bumped by a celtics fan to "rub the doubter's faces in it", he's a league average player and other players having bad contracts doesn't make his better. It's a common trap to fall into 'player x is making this much so player y deserves his contract.' Well, no, that's not the way it works.

What numbers support him an average player in this league? Hes clearly above average and has allstar level potential.

pretty much every advnaced stat. his RAPM (hes 279th this year), his IPV (ranked 245th), his on/off, etc.

dude is super **** average, what do you think hes an entirely different player than when he was playing for OKC? he was average there and hes average now, he doesnt do anything that well offensively (16ppg per 36 on 56TS% Is respectable, but his efficiency is slightly inflated because of his abnormally high 3pt%) and his defense is meh. celtics defense barely sees a change when hes off the court (hes -0.3 which is average) and the offense actually gets worse when hes playing by about 1.6 points.

hes a classic tweener that cant handle the ball and is just an okay scorer. he cant faciliate and he cant create for others, and his defense is pretty overrated if people think hes a difference maker, since theres pretty much no evidence for that. in no universe is he anywhere near all star caliber nor does he have the potential imo with his age and skillset.

[moss_is_1]

If he were just a backup SF, maybe, but Jeff Green is a 3-position player

What? SF / PF and...?

[Captain_Caveman]

As a data dude, I'm just saying that NBA data isn't real data a lot of the time. Contenders build to beat each other. You can point to all these stats showing Artest was an inefficient triangle player, but the Lakers were a very soft team in 08 looking at opponents in their path who had Durant/LeBron/Melo/Pierce. Artest solved all that to the tune of two titles, regardless of how "efficient" he was.

When the Celts had Perkins, they were contending against teams that had Howard and Bynum. Perkins can defend true size and not much else. By the time they traded him, when he was a gimp coming off a major injury who cap rules would not let him extend before unrestricted free agency, they were contending against Melo and LeBron.

They obtained, and kept Green to be a depth player, in much in the same way that the Lakers had Artest and Odom. If a 4th-6th man with positional versatility can be a net neutral player efficiency-wise while playing good D, that's not a problem depending on who you are trying to beat.