The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II

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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II 

Post#21 » by Part-time Lover » Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:56 am

detroitKG wrote:Andre the Giant doing work:

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I was hoping that the rebounds and effort would be there, but I had no idea he would be so talented around the basket even as RAW as he still is. Brandon Knight said it best in his interview last night after the game. Saying that Dre has barely even scratched the surface of his talent to this point.


Damn... didn't realize he also had quick hands.
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Post#22 » by mvplayur » Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:32 am

Barnes is going to be a great role player on any team. he understands the game so well.
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Post#23 » by ComboGuardCity » Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:38 am

If I'm a UNC fan, I'm thinking: WHere the hell was this Harrison Barnes the past two years?
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Post#24 » by northoakland510 » Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:55 am

Barnes with another double double.
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Post#25 » by DreDay » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:04 am

I think Barnes is leading all rookies with double doubles. Not 100% sure on that though.
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Post#26 » by hellla » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:06 am

^ I think Dame Lillard has one more
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Post#27 » by JV4MVP » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:10 am

ComboGuardCity wrote:If I'm a UNC fan, I'm thinking: WHere the hell was this Harrison Barnes the past two years?


College does not equal NBA ball.

That's why your avatar player was not that impressive against mostly silly amateur kids.

The NBA favors superb athletes and those with 1-on-1 skills. Iso opportunities are rarely possible in college.
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Post#28 » by dc » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:17 am

ComboGuardCity wrote:If I'm a UNC fan, I'm thinking: WHere the hell was this Harrison Barnes the past two years?


Before the draft, David Thorpe predicted this from Barnes and what he'd be doing in the NBA and that people would be asking the exact same question that you just did.

Basically, it's very difficult for a wing player of Barnes' size to get into the lane at will in college ball. You can pack the lane with as many people as you want and there is no defensive 3 seconds rule. Add to this the fact that the type of players around him (two post players in Henson, Zeller and a non-shooter PG in Marshall) couldn't really space the floor favorably. Heck, they relied on Barnes to be the main shooter because of this.

Now in the NBA things are more wide open. He's playing next to Steph Curry and Thompson, two of the league's better shooters. It's no surprise he's able to get into the lane like this.

College ball is going to be dominated by quick ballhandlers who can get their own shot off (Derrick Rose, Jay Williams) or mobile post players who can take advantage of the lack of good bigs in the NCAA (Sean May, Tyler Hansbrough, Antawn Jamison). It's rare to see 6'7"-6'8" wing players dominate. Guyis like Len Bias and Carmelo are the exceptions.
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Post#29 » by LeChosen1 » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:36 am

Just say Harrison Barnes all over the twitter feed, DAYUUUUUUUUUUUUM
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Post#30 » by EvanZ » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:18 am

I was at the Warriors game tonight. The dunk by Barnes was absolutely ridiculous. Never seen a better dunk live.
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Post#31 » by NaturalThunder » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:12 am

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ComboGuardCity wrote:If I'm a UNC fan, I'm thinking: WHere the hell was this Harrison Barnes the past two years?


Before the draft, David Thorpe predicted this from Barnes and what he'd be doing in the NBA and that people would be asking the exact same question that you just did.

Basically, it's very difficult for a wing player of Barnes' size to get into the lane at will in college ball. You can pack the lane with as many people as you want and there is no defensive 3 seconds rule. Add to this the fact that the type of players around him (two post players in Henson, Zeller and a non-shooter PG in Marshall) couldn't really space the floor favorably. Heck, they relied on Barnes to be the main shooter because of this.

Now in the NBA things are more wide open. He's playing next to Steph Curry and Thompson, two of the league's better shooters. It's no surprise he's able to get into the lane like this.

College ball is going to be dominated by quick ballhandlers who can get their own shot off (Derrick Rose, Jay Williams) or mobile post players who can take advantage of the lack of good bigs in the NCAA (Sean May, Tyler Hansbrough, Antawn Jamison). It's rare to see 6'7"-6'8" wing players dominate. Guyis like Len Bias and Carmelo are the exceptions.

Spot on.

I'm a UNC fan and, aside from the occasional mid-wee conference game or Sunday afternoon ACC game, I saw the vast majority of Harrison's college games. There's plenty of UNC fans that were saying they thought his game was better suited for the NBA and that he'd look better and come closer to living up to his pre-college hype once he got in the league. That talk really picked up once he had a less than stellar NCAA tournament this past year when UNC really needed him to come-up big.

On what you said about the lineup (started two legit back to the basket bigs and a non-shooting threat at PG), UNC also started a SG in Dexter Strickland who couldn't shoot to save his life. Only when they brought Reggie Bullock into the game did they have a lethal three point threat on the floor alongside Barnes. The spacing ont he floor was just awful and, like you said, Barnes was relegated (a lot of times) to being UNC's floor stretching shooter. There just wasn't much room for him to consistently dominate his man off the bounce and get into the lane. When he did, though, you saw flashes of his sneaky good athleticism. I always raved about his body control in traffic and in the air. He absorbs and finishes through contact very well. Don't get me wrong, he obviously had ball-handling issues, and looked like a 4th grader at times trying to penetrate, but he was also better in that aspect of the game than I think a lot of people realize.

Now he's playing on an NBA team with good shooters, and the floor is wide-open. There's still ignorant people out there that believe Barnes still can't create his own shot and beat his man off the bounce. While he's not consistently great at it, yet, anyone that's watched his last 10 games or so has seen that he's more than capable of getting into the lane and scoring off dribble penetration. I'm impressed at how much his ball-handling has improved, but I don't think it was ever quite as bad as some people assumed.

Right now I've noticed he goes long stretches of games where he doesn't touch the ball and seemingly disappears, but that seems to have a little bit to do with Curry and Thompson who average 30 shots per game between them, and the fact that Barnes spends a lot of his minutes on the floor with them.

Albeit brief, I do think we've already seen flashes of a player who, down the line, can be someone you can rely on to carry your offense for stretches by scoring in a variety of ways.
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Post#32 » by deepeeenn » Sun Nov 25, 2012 8:37 am

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I like Leonard but on draft day I really wanted Drummond, I wish Toronto did Portland a favour and traded down their pick so we could take drummond, it's not like T.Ross wasn't gonna be there at 11 :roll:

A lineup of :

Lillard
Matthews
Batum
Aldridge
Drummond

crazy.


That team looks like the Lite version of the 2004 Detroit Pistons sans the bench...
Drummond looks so nimble, he would be the the anchor a la Ben Wallace on the team. The Future would look great for the Blazers if they came away with Drummond and Lillard.

Also, Crazy dunk by Harrison Barnes... Impressive. Good cut and good read by Lee. Lee played it smart, Saw Barnes coming and dribbled once to get Love to focus on him then bounced passed.
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Post#33 » by JV4MVP » Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:19 pm

xprt wrote:Motiejunas had 31pts(13/23fg) 8 rebs 3assists in his first dleague season game. I feel bad for him he is clearly NBA level talent but McHale doesnt give chance to prove it.


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Post#34 » by EB2 » Sun Nov 25, 2012 3:57 pm

Dragic and Telffair are playing so well that Kendall Marshall can't even get off the bench unless its during scrub time. :(
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Post#35 » by menten » Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:29 pm

The Beas Knees wrote:Dragic and Telffair are playing so well that Kendall Marshall can't even get off the bench unless its during scrub time. :(

why did you guys even draft marshall with dragic already there?
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Post#36 » by cucad8 » Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:02 pm

menten wrote:
The Beas Knees wrote:Dragic and Telffair are playing so well that Kendall Marshall can't even get off the bench unless its during scrub time. :(

why did you guys even draft marshall with dragic already there?

draft happened before free agency?
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Post#37 » by NaturalThunder » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:21 pm

menten wrote:
The Beas Knees wrote:Dragic and Telffair are playing so well that Kendall Marshall can't even get off the bench unless its during scrub time. :(

why did you guys even draft marshall with dragic already there?

Yeah, they drafted Marshall before signing Dragic. Not real sure why they went ahead and signed Dragic after taking a PG in the lottery because I'm pretty sure Marshall was already going to start the season second on the depth chart behind Telfair. Now they've got a rookie lottery pick who's played a grand total of 15 minutes, and seven of those were in 30 point blowout loss to Miami.
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Post#38 » by JungleCat022 » Sun Nov 25, 2012 6:52 pm

Waiters with 16 points, 5-14, 2 assists
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Post#39 » by JV4MVP » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:05 pm

JungleCat022 wrote:Waiters with 16 points, 5-14, 2 assists


That's mediocre. ~33% shooting and 2 assists... granted it was against the Heat and the Cavs played great, but that production in 38 minutes isn't meaningful.
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Post#40 » by The Sebastian Express » Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:16 pm

oaklandwarriors wrote:I think Barnes is leading all rookies with double doubles. Not 100% sure on that though.


Harnes and Valanciunas are tied with three, followed by Davis with two, then a bunch of rookies with one.

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