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The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II

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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II

Postby He Filled it Up on Mon Jan 21, 2013 8:56 pm

r0cd0gg wrote:nobody else is even top 20 in both

I see Splitter on both lists...
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II

Postby NO-KG-AI on Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:32 pm

Drummond doesn't look 297 at all. He actually looks less than the 279 or whatever he was at. He looks way more active and energetic than he was last year.

I missed the Hornets game tonight, but Davis was 5-7 for 11 points, 6 rebounds, 3 blocks and one steal in 15 minutes. He had no turnovers and no fouls, I guess it was because Ryan Anderson was 7-14 from downtown that they kept him out :dontknow:
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II

Postby mid-post on Mon Jan 21, 2013 10:49 pm


At about 2:50 in this video he says he's at 270 after losing 22 pounds. That would have put him in the 290s at UConn. He weighed 279 (7.5% body fat) at the predraft camp, so who knows, maybe he put a lot of that weight back on. Either way, dude is unreal.

And it's pretty funny to see how pissed he gets when people bring up his motor and all that in the predraft interviews. :lol: #redflags #characterissues
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II

Postby sir G Wallace on Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:18 pm

Maybe Drummond has been doing different core excercises which increased his weight but made him look more well shaped as well
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II

Postby GhostsOfGil on Mon Jan 21, 2013 11:38 pm

Beal vs Lillard... turned out to be a stinker. 2-17 shooting between the 2 of them so far.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II

Postby branny on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:06 am

GhostsOfGil wrote:Beal vs Lillard... turned out to be a stinker. 2-17 shooting between the 2 of them so far.

Was hoping for better.. :(
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II

Postby TheBigThree on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:21 am

Lillard turned it on in the 4th, Beal didn't really get the chance because Crawford came in hot.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II

Postby nin10doe on Tue Jan 22, 2013 12:32 am

NO-KG-AI wrote:Drummond doesn't look 297 at all. He actually looks less than the 279 or whatever he was at. He looks way more active and energetic than he was last year.

I missed the Hornets game tonight, but Davis was 5-7 for 11 points, 6 rebounds, 3 blocks and one steal in 15 minutes. He had no turnovers and no fouls, I guess it was because Ryan Anderson was 7-14 from downtown that they kept him out :dontknow:

Davis stepped on a ref's foot and sprained his ankle in the 2nd quarter. Sucks because he's been playing great lately and was off to a great start vs. Sacto. Its the same ankle that kept him out of games earlier this year. He says its not serious and he shouldn't miss any games, though.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II

Postby dpnim on Tue Jan 22, 2013 1:27 am

Being a Blazer fan isn't exactly healthy.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II

Postby Shem on Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:25 am

July 24, 2012:
d-train wrote:We have a lot riding on a rookie PG who is going to make fat Felton look like a 1st team All-NBA player.


May 14, 2013:
d-train wrote:But, as I said, Fatty Felton would have helped the Blazers win more games than Lillard did.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II

Postby Goldtop on Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:50 am

Bskey wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:idk, but when you have Tyson Chandler at the top of any offensive statistical ratings list, imo doesn't really hold a lot of weight


It certainly needs to be put into context. Drummond is NOT a top 10 offensive player, not even close.

That however is a good indication that he's succeeding where he needs to atm.


The thing is I think you guys are just defining great offensive players in terms of their individual scoring talent, like its streetball. This rating system is based on what impact players have on the team offense as a whole, which is actually a more accurate way to rank players, imo.

For instance, I think they give credit to players who get offensive rebounds that lead to pts for their team, even if they techincally didn't score or make the assist. But that offensive rebound was crucial to getting those pts. So they rightfully give some credit to that player too. And thats likely how players like Drummond and Chandler are rated as top offensive players because of their offensive rebounds, as well as all their dunks.

If we're talking about ranking the top 10 offensive players that would win a 1 on 1 tournament, then no Drummond or Chandler would not be on that list. But if we're talking about biggest impact players to a TEAM offense, which is really how offensive players should be judged, then I think this rating system is valid.

Take Chandler off the Knicks, taking away the bulk of their offensive rebs, and see how many pts NY scores when they only get 1 shot per posession. So technically he is a top offensive player if he's having that much impact on a teams offense. He may never win a 1 on 1 tournament like Carmelo, but NBA is a team game.

"Offensive Rating" is a statistic used in basketball to measure an individual player's efficiency at producing points for the offense. It was created by author and statistician Dean Oliver.

For players, the formula is: Offensive Rating = (Points Produced / Individual Possessions) x 100

Points can be produced through field goals, free throws, assists, and offensive rebounds. Individual possessions are the sum of a player's scoring possessions (field goals, free throws, plus partial credit for assists), missed field goals and free throws that the defense rebounds, and turnovers.


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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II

Postby mcfly1204 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:19 am

That just means those players are efficient, it does not say whether or not they are impact players on offense.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II

Postby mitrandil20 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:45 am

Wow, I saw Drummond's highlights; I can't believe he has that body and is that elite in athleticism: strength, power, leaping, agility..
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II

Postby Shem on Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:49 pm

July 24, 2012:
d-train wrote:We have a lot riding on a rookie PG who is going to make fat Felton look like a 1st team All-NBA player.


May 14, 2013:
d-train wrote:But, as I said, Fatty Felton would have helped the Blazers win more games than Lillard did.
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Re: The OFFICIAL Rookie impressions thread pt. II

Postby Jon1798 on Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:07 pm

Just for kicks:

Anthony Davis(19 years old)
20th in the league in PER
4th amongst PF's in PER
Per 36 minutes:
16.2 PPG
9.8 rebounds
2.4 blocks
1.4 steals
1.7 TO's
51.9% FG

Damian Lillard(22 years old)
90th in the league in PER
22nd amongst PG's in PER
Per 36 minutes:
17.1 PPG
6.2 assists
.9 steals
2.8 TO's
42% FG

Andre Drummond(19 years old)
11th in the league in PER
2nd amongst C's in PER
Per 36 minutes:
13.6 PPG
13.3 rebounds
2.9 blocks
1.6 steals
1.5 TO's
60.7% FG


Discuss......
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