2013 All Stars (thus far...)

[boogie-reke]

For?

Leading his team out of the playoffs? or scoring 19 ppg on close to 40% shooting?

Seriously, Deng plays all-world defense, is the go-to guy offensively on a top 4 team in the east(despite having their superstar sidelined), scoring 18 ppg, 7 rebs, 3 ast on 44% shooting leading them on both sides of the floor on a nightly basis, and coming up with wins to boot.

There is seriously no argument whatsoever to have Paul Pierce in the All-Star team over Luol Deng. None.

[CKRT]

James Harden shouldn't sniff an all-star team. No one likes inefficient chuckers. If Monta Ellis never made it with his chucking 25ppg seasons and Martin with his efficient 23ppg seasons then Harden and his chucking 22ppg season should remain well away from real stars.

I was going to reply to your post, but tsherkin already replied to a similar post on the PC board.

Mmmm.

TECHNICALLY, he averaged 25.5, 4.0 and 5.3, so that's not 25/5/5. He also did it on 51.7% TS, which was 2.6% BELOW league average efficiency. He played only 64 games and it took him a league-high 41.4 mpg to do it. He averaged 22, 3.5 and 4.6 PER36 for a team that won 26 games (and won 19 of his 64 games, which prorates to 24 wins over the season).

By contrast, Harden is averaging 24.8 ppg, 4.4 rpg and 5.4 apg, so a similar raw average to Ellis. He's doing it in 38.9 mpg, averaging 23, 4.1 and 5.0 PER36, though, still better than Ellis (although ITO raw averages, the difference is nit-picky and mostly unimportant). Harden is taking 16.0 FGA/g compared to Ellis' 22.0. Harden is posting a USG of 28.2% on an ORTG of 111 against Ellis' 29.4 on an ORTG of 99 (which is abysmal).

He is doing it, however, on 58.0% TS, which is 5.1% over league average. The Rockets are currently 11-11, on pace for 41 wins, much better than Ellis' Warriors.

There are some substantial differences between what Ellis did and what Harden is doing.

[Mich3006]

Update (for my own):

West:
Paul, Bryant, Durant, Griffin, Howard
Westbrook, Parker, Harden, Gay, Love, Lee, Duncan

East:
Rondo, Wade, James, Anthony, Garnett
Holiday, Ellis, Pierce, Deng, Smith, Bosh, Chandler

"Replacements":
West: Steph Curry (he deserves it as well as Harden, but the ASG´s in Houston), Zach Randolph, Marc Gasol
East: Anderson Varejao, Deron Williams (because he´s the franchise player in BKN), Kyrie Irving

[TwentyOne920]

I think one factor that people forget is "how does his game look?".

It's why constant 20/10 guts like Big Al don't even have a nod, because his game isn't a flashy blitz of dunks and individual breakdowns in the post like a Blake Griffin. Same with Randolph because his game is "below the rim".

[manou]

I don't get how people hesitate between Parker and Curry. Parker put up great numbers in limited minutes, is option 1A or 1B for a team that is 25-8 (3rd best in the nba). Of course he makes it, along with Westbrook, and Harden will be the fifth guard, because of the numbers, the hype, the location.

[TwentyOne920]

I don't get how people hesitate between Parker and Curry. Parker put up great numbers in limited minutes, is option 1A or 1B for a team that is 25-8 (3rd best in the nba). Of course he makes it, along with Westbrook, and Harden will be the fifth guard, because of the numbers, the hype, the location.

17/3/8 on 50/40/80 shooting ~58 TS%. And not even on the minutes played leaderboard.

That said, Curry has the longest streak of 20 point/10 assist games in the league.

[No-Man]

PArker is, by far, the best offensive PG in the league.

Not even close, he's so efficent, it's scary.

And if he wasnt playing in the Spurs, with all the ball movement, if he has the ball on his hands more and increase his usage, hos numbers would be insane, per38minpg he's at 22,5-3,75-8,5-1

In a system that focus on the PG, most common in the league, in a role similar to Rose, Paul, Rondo, he would put monster numbers, close to 24-5-10 per game.

thats absolutely insane.

[manou]

There are still nights where his jumper is off. But when it's on, there's not much you can do to stop him...

[BaunceyChillups]

David West will definitely make the team, Pacers are 4th in the east with him leading the way.

[No-Man]

David West will definitely make the team, Pacers are 4th in the east with him leading the way.

Yep, he' or Paul George since the Guards are more open.

It looks like this in the East...

Rondo-Holiday
Wade-George
Anthony-Pierce
James-Horford or Smith (the one who's better)
Garnett-Bosh-Chandler-Noah

Celtics doesnt deserve 3 guys, but Pierce is way better than any other option so...

If Bosh outplays Garnett for the starting spot (hopefully he does) both Horford and Smith would go.

[smith2373]

Right now, the way they're playing both Rondo & Pierce shouldn't make it. But Rondo will make it due to popularity and Pierce is pretty much the go-to option for wings as reserves.

If any Celtic should go it's KG, but there are other bigs in the East that have legit cases over him so I wouldn't be too upset if he doesn't make it.

[No-Man]

Right now, the way they're playing both Rondo & Pierce shouldn't make it. But Rondo will make it due to popularity and Pierce is pretty much the go-to option for wings as reserves.

If any Celtic should go it's KG, but there are other bigs in the East that have legit cases over him so I wouldn't be too upset if he doesn't make it.

Garnett is playing worse than Pierce this year, I know I kow, he's alone in the Celtics zone, but the defense is bad even with him in.

West, Horford, Smith, Chandler, Noah, and Bosh have stronger cases than him.

Garnett only goes if he clinches starting position.

[smith2373]

Right now, the way they're playing both Rondo & Pierce shouldn't make it. But Rondo will make it due to popularity and Pierce is pretty much the go-to option for wings as reserves.

If any Celtic should go it's KG, but there are other bigs in the East that have legit cases over him so I wouldn't be too upset if he doesn't make it.

Garnett is playing worse than Pierce this year, I know I kow, he's alone in the Celtics zone, but the defense is bad even with him in.

West, Horford, Smith, Chandler, Noah, and Bosh have stronger cases than him.

Garnett only goes if he clinches starting position.

The Celtics have a 98.9 defensive rating with KG on the floor. 114.2 defensive rating with KG off the floor.

KG is not playing worse than Pierce, anyone who says that must not watch a lot of Celtics games. Pierce plays crap defense and just chucks the ball offensively. Rondo plays matador defense and doesn't consistently give a full-effort offensively, only goes hard on national TV games. KG has been the Celtics best player this season.

[Jack wore plaid]

Update (for my own):

West:
Paul, Bryant, Durant, Griffin, Howard
Westbrook, Parker/Curry, Harden/Curry, Gay, Love, Randolph/Lee, Duncan

East:
Rondo, Wade, James, Anthony, Bosh
Holiday, Ellis, Pierce, Deng, Smith, Varejao, Chandler

Aldridge is the leagues 7th best scorer and deserves to be on the team more than Love, Randolph, Lee and Duncan. Griffin as well, but the idiot fans will vote for him

[smith2373]

Update (for my own):

West:
Paul, Bryant, Durant, Griffin, Howard
Westbrook, Parker/Curry, Harden/Curry, Gay, Love, Randolph/Lee, Duncan

East:
Rondo, Wade, James, Anthony, Bosh
Holiday, Ellis, Pierce, Deng, Smith, Varejao, Chandler

Aldridge is the leagues 7th best scorer and deserves to be on the team more than Love, Randolph, Lee and Duncan. Griffin as well, but the idiot fans will vote for him

Lee: 20.1 PPG on 57% TS, 11.0 RPG, 3.6 APG, 0.9 SPG, 0.2 BPG, has been the best player on a top 5 seed
Z-Bo: 17.0 PPG on 54% TS, 12.5 RPG, 1.3 APG, 0.9 SPG, 0.6 BPG, has been the best player on a top 4 seed
Duncan: 17.7 PPG on 56% TS, 9.7 RPG, 2.5 APG, 0.8 SPG, 2.5 BPG, has been the best player on a top 3 seed

LMA: 21.0 PPG on 52% TS, 8.2 RPG, 3.3 APG, 1.0 SPG, 1.3 BPG, has been the best player on a fringe playoff team.

[ardee]

(what I think it should be, not according to voting)

Rondo-Irving-Holiday
Wade
James-Deng-Smith
Anthony-Horford-Bosh
Noah-Chandler

Paul-Westbrook-Curry
Kobe-Harden-Parker
Durant-Randolph
Duncan-Griffin
Howard-Gasol

[No-Man]

Griffin is an All Star, maybe not starting material, but All Star for sure with the Clippers record.

[boogie-reke]

East :
Rondo, Wade, Lebron, Anthony, Horford

Holiday, Irving, Deng, Smith, Bosh, Noah, Chandler.

Paul Pierce over Deng/Smith is flat out laughable.

West :

Paul, Kobe, Durant, Duncan(He should but he won't), Howard

Parker, Westbrook, Curry, Harden, Griffin, Randolph, Lee

[No-Man]

The guys that should go, if there's no voting...

Rondo-Holiday
Wade-George
Anthony-Smith-Pierce
James-Horford
Noah-Bosh-Chandler

Paul-Parker-Westbrook
Bryant-Harden-Curry
Durant
Lee-Griffin-Randolph
Duncan-Aldridge

[EvanZ]

Aldridge is really having a down year. He won't make it. Not even in the conversation really.

Ibaka/Lee/Randolph competing for 1 or 2 bigs. Gasol makes it before them.