2013 All Stars (thus far...)

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Re: 2013 All Stars (so far...) 

Post#166 » by Ayatollah » Tue Dec 11, 2012 8:46 am

Steph Curry deserve it (today) way more than Tony Parker.
If the Warriors don´t go with with two All-Stars, the Spurs won´t do it too though (OKC will be #1 in Feb 2013 imo)

Paul, Bryant, Durant, Griffin, Howard (that will be the fans´choice)
Westbrook, Curry, Harden, Gay (or ZBo or David Lee), Love, Duncan

Rondo, Wade, James, Anthony, Bosh (fans´choice)
Williams, Felton, Pierce, Deng, Smith, Varejao, Chandler
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Re: 2013 All Stars (so far...) 

Post#167 » by manou » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:16 am

Ayatollah wrote:Steph Curry deserve it (today) way more than Tony Parker.
Way more, your sure ? You'll have to explain that.

Parker is a leader of the current best team in the league, was a top5 mvp candidate last year, will be again a mvp candidate (duncan too if he continues, but I expect Pop to limit Duncan to 27-28 mpg soon).
To say that when Parker just had a triple double (27-12-12)...

Parker is a proven winner, is averaging per36 21pts-3rbds-8asts, and is a better defender than Curry who is at 19pts-3rbds-6asts per36. Parker is the only PG in the league shooting more than 50% (0.513% right now).

I don't see it. Maybe some of you do.
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Re: 2013 All Stars (so far...) 

Post#168 » by Fischella » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:44 am

Read me, Parker is WAY, I mean WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than Curry.

He is better than any future versions of Curry too.

Parker is a Finals MVP for christ sake.
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Post#169 » by Darain » Tue Dec 11, 2012 9:54 am

manou wrote:
Ayatollah wrote:Steph Curry deserve it (today) way more than Tony Parker.
Way more, your sure ? You'll have to explain that.

Parker is a leader of the current best team in the league, was a top5 mvp candidate last year, will be again a mvp candidate (duncan too if he continues, but I expect Pop to limit Duncan to 27-28 mpg soon).
To say that when Parker just had a triple double (27-12-12)...

Parker is a proven winner, is averaging per36 21pts-3rbds-8asts, and is a better defender than Curry who is at 19pts-3rbds-6asts per36. Parker is the only PG in the league shooting more than 50% (0.513% right now).

I don't see it. Maybe some of you do.


Rondo is shooting 50% too
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Re: 2013 All Stars (so far...) 

Post#170 » by manou » Tue Dec 11, 2012 10:01 am

Darain wrote:Rondo is shooting 50% too
Oops, I stand corrected! Indeed Parker and Rondo are the only 2 PGs above 50%.
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Post#171 » by Fischella » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:18 am

Right now East is more open, in the West there are almost 9 locks

Paul-Westbrook-Parker
Bryant
Durant
Griffin-Randolph
Howard-Duncan

In the East only 6

Rondo
Wade
Anthony-Pierce
James
Bosh

Pretenders for those spots...

West, Jefferson, Lee, Mayo, Harden, Iguodala, Curry, Gay, MGasol, Love, and Aldridge, right now I'd pick Jefferson, Lee and one between Mayo and Harden.

East, Chandler, Smith, Horford, Holiday, Jennings, Noah, Deng, Lopez, West, and Williams, right now I'd pick Chandler, Smith AND Horford, Holiday, Jennings and one of Chicago, probably Noah over Deng.

And no, nor Varejao, Walker, Irving, Monroe, Anderson, Cousins, Lowry,... have any options, cause their teams SUCK HARD.
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Post#172 » by chips93 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:30 am

West:
paul
kobe
durant
duncan
howard

z-bo
marc gasol
westbrook
harden
mayo
david lee
love

East:
rondo
wade
bron
melo
bosh

josh smith
kg
pierce
chandler
holiday
varejao
irving
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Re: 2013 All Stars (so far...) 

Post#173 » by Ayatollah » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:06 pm

Parker is the better player, but Steph Curry deserves is more (today)
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Post#174 » by boogie-reke » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:21 pm

Anyone who says Chandler/Noah/KG over Al Horford is out of his damn mind.

Al Horford especially if Atalanta keeps this up, is as big a lock as there is to one of the reserve Forward spots in the East.

17 pts, 10 reb (career highs, and that's when he's shooting 55% from the FT line as a career 75% shooter) 3 ast, 1 blk, 1 stl and 54% shooting being the undisputed leader of a legit top 3 team in the East?

He should be the starting Center for the East! (Which won't happen cause voters are idiots) - but not having him on the reserve list for more then a couple of times in this threads?

I'm sorry, and i'm quoting SAS here, but that's just blasphemous. Blasphemous.
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Post#175 » by TwentyOne920 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:24 pm

boogie-reke wrote:Anyone who says Chandler/Noah/KG over Al Horford is out of his damn mind.

Al Horford especially if Atalanta keeps this up, is as big a lock as there is to one of the reserve Forward spots in the East.


Horford has been the Hawks' most consistent player since his rookie season. I think he can get in.

Chandler's ridiculous FG% and Noah's absurd stat lines thus far (30/23/6/2/2? That's a Hall of Fame line) strengthen their cases however.
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Re: 2013 All Stars (so far...) 

Post#176 » by Fischella » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:28 pm

All 3 fo them can go, even Smith too.

Parker is a LOCK as big as Westbrook, stop putting Curry over him, you're crazy man.
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Re: 2013 All Stars (so far...) 

Post#177 » by boogie-reke » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:39 pm

TwentyOne920 wrote:
boogie-reke wrote:Anyone who says Chandler/Noah/KG over Al Horford is out of his damn mind.

Al Horford especially if Atalanta keeps this up, is as big a lock as there is to one of the reserve Forward spots in the East.


Horford has been the Hawks' most consistent player since his rookie season. I think he can get in.

Chandler's ridiculous FG% and Noah's absurd stat lines thus far (30/23/6/2/2? That's a Hall of Fame line) strengthen their cases however.



They don't even come close to Horford, stats included.

Chandler might, cause of how the Knicks are doing - and cause his recent improvement (he was pretty bad the first 9-10 games) - but still his role on the Knicks isn't and can't be equal to Horford's, stats aswell despite the FG% - the Knicks regressed alot defensively from last year.

Noah stats are less impressive almost across the board, and his team isn't as good as Horford's team.

I think the east should go :

Starters :

Rondo, Wade, Lebron, Anthony, Horford
(But Bosh will be picked I assume by voters, or Chandler, even though Al deserves it).

Reserves :


Chris Bosh, Josh Smith, Jrue Holiday, Brendon Jennings(Didn't want to but there's no one else), Tyson Chandler, and Luol Deng.

* Deng is also underrated here, the guy averages 18/7/3 on 46% shooting with top 5 defense for his position while being the go-to scorer for his team being top 4 in the East - no way in hell Paul Pierce deserve his spot)
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Re: 2013 All Stars (so far...) 

Post#178 » by manou » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:45 pm

Ayatollah wrote:Parker is the better player, but Steph Curry deserves is more (today)

I fail to see why, but oh well to each his opinion.

Fischella wrote:Parker is a LOCK as big as Westbrook, stop putting Curry over him, you're crazy man.

Pretty much yeah.
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Re: 2013 All Stars (so far...) 

Post#179 » by boogie-reke » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:52 pm

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TwentyOne920 wrote:
Horford has been the Hawks' most consistent player since his rookie season. I think he can get in.

Chandler's ridiculous FG% and Noah's absurd stat lines thus far (30/23/6/2/2? That's a Hall of Fame line) strengthen their cases however.



They don't even come close to Horford, stats included.

Chandler might, cause of how the Knicks are doing - and cause his recent improvement (he was pretty bad the first 9-10 games) - but still his role on the Knicks isn't and can't be equal to Horford's, stats aswell despite the FG% - - the Knicks regressed alot defensively from last year.

Noah stats are less impressive almost across the board, and his team isn't as good as Horford's team.

I think the east should go :

Starters :

Rondo, Wade, Lebron, Anthony, Horford
(But Bosh will be picked I assume by voters, or Chandler, even though Al deserves it).

Reserves :


Chris Bosh, Josh Smith, Jrue Holiday, Brendon Jennings(Didn't want to but there's no one else), Tyson Chandler, and Luol Deng.

* Deng is also underrated here, the guy averages 18/7/3 on 46% shooting with top 5 defense for his position while being the go-to scorer for his team leading them to top 4 in the East - no way in hell Paul Pierce deserve his spot)


I forgot another spot - in general i'd give it to Noah probably, but because there's only 2 guards and Brooklyn needing to have representation for their record, I'd give it to D-Will, reluctantly.

so -

Rondo///Wade///Lebron///Anthony///Horford

Chris Bosh, Josh Smith, Jrue Holiday, Brendon Jennings, Tyson Chandler, Luol Deng and Deron Williams.
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Re: 2013 All Stars (so far...) 

Post#180 » by Fischella » Tue Dec 11, 2012 1:59 pm

Brooklyn right now wouldnt have any All Star.
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Re: 2013 All Stars (so far...) 

Post#181 » by og15 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:15 pm

Fischella wrote:Read me, Parker is WAY, I mean WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY better than Curry.

He is better than any future versions of Curry too.

Parker is a Finals MVP for christ sake.

First statement is true, though not WAYYY...better, second statement is false because we really, don't know.



manou wrote:
Ayatollah wrote:Parker is the better player, but Steph Curry deserves is more (today)

I fail to see why, but oh well to each his opinion.

Fischella wrote:Parker is a LOCK as big as Westbrook, stop putting Curry over him, you're crazy man.

Pretty much yeah.
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You first line, that's how people fail college papers, haha. It's not about just saying "this is what I think", it's about backing it up with evidence. Just having a conversation of everyone saying their opinion without support or evidence is of little value.

Parker is better right now, he's not only on a better team but also putting up better numbers. Now. That's not to say that if Curry was on SA, he wouldn't also be on the better tesm, he would, Pop is great, Duncan has been their best player, and they would just be better still. The issue here is that Parker is producing more, 21/4/8 per 36 on .567 TS%, 22.4 PER. Curry has played well lately and is getting back in the groove, but he's as 19/4/6 per 36 on .567 TS%, 19.3 PER

There's no argument for Curry being better or more deserving right now, zero, none!
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Post#182 » by NYK_89 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:31 pm

boogie-reke wrote:Anyone who says Chandler/Noah/KG over Al Horford is out of his damn mind.

Al Horford especially if Atalanta keeps this up, is as big a lock as there is to one of the reserve Forward spots in the East.

17 pts, 10 reb (career highs, and that's when he's shooting 55% from the FT line as a career 75% shooter) 3 ast, 1 blk, 1 stl and 54% shooting being the undisputed leader of a legit top 3 team in the East?

He should be the starting Center for the East! (Which won't happen cause voters are idiots) - but not having him on the reserve list for more then a couple of times in this threads?

I'm sorry, and i'm quoting SAS here, but that's just blasphemous. Blasphemous.

If chandler keeps playing like he has the last few weeks i don't see it, we could be looking at a 14/12 player who also is one of the best defenders in the conference. Although i do think Horford should probably make the game either way
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Re: 2013 All Stars (so far...) 

Post#183 » by manou » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:33 pm

og15 wrote:You first line, that's how people fail college papers, haha. It's not about just saying "this is what I think", it's about backing it up with evidence.
Lol I know! but I provided my opinion with numbers and all, and he replies with just a "deserves more". What can I say ? :D
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Re: 2013 All Stars (so far...) 

Post#184 » by ardee » Tue Dec 11, 2012 2:55 pm

West

Starters

PG: Paul
SG: Bryant
SF: Durant
PF: Duncan
C: Howard

Bench

Westbrook
Parker
Harden
Mayo
Randolph
Lee
Gasol

(can't put Love in yet based on how he might play)

East

Starters

PG: Rondo
SG: Wade
SF: James
PF: Anthony
C: Horford

Bench

Holiday
Williams (he doesn't deserve it but there is literally no one else)
Deng
Bosh
Varejao
Chandler
Noah

It's funny, the East is quite big man heavy this year when you come to think of it.
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Post#185 » by Benas360 » Tue Dec 11, 2012 3:09 pm

Can Pierce just **** off

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