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Race to the MVP pt. II

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Post#1 Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 7, 2012 9:13 am by Basti

Here's the link to the old thread

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Post#2 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 7, 2012 10:17 am by ShowTimeERA

At this stage

Kevin Durant

Lebron James
Tim Duncan
Carmelo Anthony (only because he's the best player on the best team in the east)


And then everyone else.

Dark horse: Kobe Bryant if la racks up a very long winning streak once Nash returns. It makes a good story line especially with breaking 30k points and passing wilt on the all time scoring list sometime in January.
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Post#3 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 7, 2012 10:38 am by MisterWestside

From the other thread:

bbms wrote:He's better than KD but he isn't playing better than KD at all. KD beats him in every on/off stats. The difference of Thunder's performance between time with Durant and without Durant is objectively much greater than the difference of Heat's performance at playing time on/off LeBron, and this put Durant in a situation to be clearly more valuable for his team than LeBron.


You do know that KD nearly won in '12 while being only +2 net pts/poss on the floor with the Thunder, right?
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Post#4 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 7, 2012 11:13 am by bbms

MisterWestside wrote:From the other thread:

bbms wrote:He's better than KD but he isn't playing better than KD at all. KD beats him in every on/off stats. The difference of Thunder's performance between time with Durant and without Durant is objectively much greater than the difference of Heat's performance at playing time on/off LeBron, and this put Durant in a situation to be clearly more valuable for his team than LeBron.


You do know that KD nearly won in '12 while being only +2 net pts/poss on the floor with the Thunder, right?


Perkins almost didn't play any minute away from Durant. Perkins was a 27 mpg and -8 net pts/poss guy. He had a ridiculous 28 TOV%. Thunder had a lot of issues with starting lineup offense outside of Westbrook and Durant(couldn't stop him from posting huge numbers scoring-wise), also Harden allowed Thunder to dominate bench play, which made Thunder less depending on Durant playing off that poor offensive lineup.

I see your point, but come on there weren't a lot of players +22 net pts/poss like Durant is doing now for this to be a knock on Durant's argument back then.
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Post#5 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 7, 2012 11:20 am by dream_catcher_9

Durant has developed much more than I thought he would this early in his career. His rotations are crisp(mostly), he is making the sound passing play, he is shooting lights out, and his handle is getting better and better.

Some small nitpicks. He needs to play more physical, its his last big hurdle to be on the same with LBJ IMO. I feel like if he played with his body more(needs to get stronger) his impact will be better on the game. It will help him out with all the little things(fighting for lose balls, boxing out better, taking bumps on drives to the hoop). I also feel like he needs to tighten up his shooting motion a bit. He is a bit inconsistent with his follow through. He is already a great shooter, but if he follow through ed on his shot more, he would be even better.

Think he will win MVP this year. OKC will have the best record and he will put up 50/40/90.
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Post#6 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 7, 2012 11:23 am by NYK_89

ShowTimeERA wrote:At this stage

Kevin Durant

Lebron James
Tim Duncan
Carmelo Anthony (only because he's the best player on the best team in the east)


And then everyone else.

Dark horse: Kobe Bryant if la racks up a very long winning streak once Nash returns. It makes a good story line especially with breaking 30k points and passing wilt on the all time scoring list sometime in January.

As much as i am a believer of the lakers being a top team in the west when its all said an done at this point it is staring to become clear they have little to no chance at a top 3 seed. And when you have Howard and Nash on the same team it is going to be very very very hard to even make an argument for kobe

If the season ends today
KD
Carmelo
Lebron
Duncan- Lets face it Duncan is not going to win MVP, he is playing about as well as you could possibly imagine right now and gets no play for it. by the end of the season he will be around 28-30 MPG and its hard to see a player winning MVP doing that.
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Post#7 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 7, 2012 12:22 pm by TheKingOfVa360

1.Durant
2.Melo
3.Bron
4.Duncan
5.Z Bo
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Post#8 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 7, 2012 12:28 pm by theokie

1. Durant
2. LeBron
3. Melo
4. Randolph
5. Duncan
6. Paul
7. Williams
spearsy23 wrote: Kevin Durant could save a dozen orphans from a fire and realgm would point out that Lebron would have just put the fire out.
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Post#9 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 7, 2012 1:07 pm by fallacy

1. Durant
2. Lebron
3. Melo
(no real chance past this point)
4. Duncan
5. Kobe
**** Ron Artest
**** Marco Belinelli
Stephen Jackson aint bout dis lyfe
Patrick Beverly deserves to have his knee ripped to pieces
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Post#10 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 7, 2012 2:09 pm by JustCame

fallacy wrote:1. Durant
2. Lebron
3. Melo
(no real chance past this point)
4. Duncan
5. Kobe


Crazy how the top 3 MVP candidates are SFs.
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Post#11 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 7, 2012 2:39 pm by LBJ-ITALY

Miami without lebron is good team but not a contender team!Let's face it,Wade has lost not only one step but 2 steps and Bosh is an inconsistent player!
It will be between Durante and LBJ.
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Post#12 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 7, 2012 2:48 pm by ShowTimeERA

LBJ-ITALY wrote:Miami without lebron is good team but not a contender team!Let's face it,Wade has lost not only one step but 2 steps and Bosh is an inconsistent player!
It will be between Durante and LBJ.


That's like saying New York without Carmelo isn't a contending team. Obviously. You can't make up the rules to favor your agenda and player. If your making a comparison on teams without their best player then you must remove both teams top player. And then in the end the heat are still the most stacked team in the league. Don't let a few regular season losses sway you to another direction.
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Post#13 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 7, 2012 2:56 pm by Based Schroeder

1. Durant
2. LeBron
3. Melo
4. Kobe
5. Paul or Duncan
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Post#14 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 7, 2012 3:02 pm by LBJ-ITALY

ShowTimeERA wrote:
LBJ-ITALY wrote:Miami without lebron is good team but not a contender team!Let's face it,Wade has lost not only one step but 2 steps and Bosh is an inconsistent player!
It will be between Durante and LBJ.


That's like saying New York without Carmelo isn't a contending team. Obviously. You can't make up the rules to favor your agenda and player. If your making a comparison on teams without their best player then you must remove both teams top player. And then in the end the heat are still the most stacked team in the league. Don't let a few regular season losses sway you to another direction.



Knicks without Melo the last year has done very well!if you follow the Miami heat games, there is the feel that the team without LBJ isn't the same!it seems they can't run the offensive without him in the corte!
Melo is a great player in a good team,LBJ is Miami and Miami is LBJ!I know that it seems like exaggeration but it is the truth!
However,I think that Kobe will be in the conversation but the Lakers has to get the third or up place in the west.
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Post#15 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 7, 2012 3:21 pm by KDgoat

JustCame wrote:
fallacy wrote:1. Durant
2. Lebron
3. Melo
(no real chance past this point)
4. Duncan
5. Kobe


Crazy how the top 3 MVP candidates are SFs.


Especially in this combo guard era.
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Post#16 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 7, 2012 4:29 pm by TheGarden

KDgoat wrote:
JustCame wrote:
fallacy wrote:1. Durant
2. Lebron
3. Melo
(no real chance past this point)
4. Duncan
5. Kobe


Crazy how the top 3 MVP candidates are SFs.


Especially in this combo guard era.


SF's are the most complete players right now. LeBron/Durant/Carmelo at their best could arguably be the top 3 players in the league, hell they were at the Olympics
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Post#17 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 7, 2012 4:57 pm by Hero


SF's are the most complete players right now. LeBron/Durant/Carmelo at their best could arguably be the top 3 players in the league, hell they were at the Olympics


Carmelo a top 3 player in the league... :lol:
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Post#18 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 7, 2012 5:06 pm by 9abovetherim

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Rank Player

1 Kevin Durant
2 Carmelo Anthony
3 LeBron James
4 Zach Randolph
5 Kobe Bryant
6 Chris Paul
7 Deron Williams
8 Tony Parker
9 Jrue Holiday
10 Stephen Curry
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Post#19 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 7, 2012 5:44 pm by EvilSperm

Durant
Lebron
Duncan
Zach Randolph
Kobe Bryant
Chris Paul
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Post#20 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 7, 2012 6:06 pm by theokie

TheGarden wrote:

SF's are the most complete players right now. LeBron/Durant/Carmelo at their best could arguably be the top 3 players in the league, hell they were at the Olympics


Carmelo isn't heralded as a top 3 player in the league by anyone. He's had a good start to the season, but 20 games in isn't enough to jump him from a guy who's was 3rd Team All NBA a year ago and made no All NBA teams 2 years ago.
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