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Post#401 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:02 am by boogie-reke

Joao Saraiva wrote:
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fallacy wrote:oh damn, his six turnovers made his game terrible :lol:


It's always interesting how posters forget that turnovers can drive down a player's and team's efficiency on offense.


let's face it when a player is that efficient with his shooting and gets 4 steals, 6 TOs are somehow irrelevant.


They still need to be mentioned if someone takes the time to look at his stat-line and post it. whichever way you spin it 6 TOs are negative and should be mentioned in one's statline - not that it automatically makes his performance bad cause it surely wasn't - but "conveniently" not giving the full stat-line is pretty lame imo.
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Post#402 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:05 am by boogie-reke

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EscapoTHB wrote:Melo will only get it if the knicks win the east. And are better than the thunder. Lot of season to go. Only reason melo is in the discussion is because the knicks are winning.

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Obviously...

Durant, LeBron, Melo, or Duncan wouldn't be in the MVP discussion if they weren't winning.

Right. So I don't know why everyone is talking stats. Team wins will decide it. Melo has good enough stats that even though durant and bron have better stats team record will decide it.

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Post#403 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:14 am by KingCuban

Team wins is important, but so are individual stats.

If Melo was averaging 22 a game and the Knicks still had this record, would we still be talking about him in the same light?

Durant is number one for me. His efficiency this season as a wing player is damn incredible.

Its reaching prime Adrian Dantley levels.

.65% and his team is on a 10 game winning streak, with career highs in FG%, 3P%, boards, assists, steals and blocks.

OKC also have the best record in the league.

For me, its:

KD
Melo
Lebron

Anyone else is irrelevant.
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Post#404 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:56 am by bbms

KingCuban wrote:If Melo was averaging 22 a game and the Knicks still had this record, would we still be talking about him in the same light?

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Post#405 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Sat Dec 15, 2012 9:09 am by Ozark

Hero wrote:Refs seem to be giving Durant as many free throws as they can. 14 is high.



except he got 9, not 14. He took 14 shots to get 31 pts.
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Post#406 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:14 pm by ardee

I feel this is Durant's to lose. He's looking like a rich man's Larry Bird at times.

'Melo has been great, but I just feel his game is not as complete as KD's. Not to mention Durant's team is better in a better conference. Has to make a difference.

LeBron is still the best player, but he seems to be coasting at times. He'll probably still have a typical 27-8-7 season but to win his 4th MVP in 5 years he'll need to do something mind-blowing enough to not make the voters feel like it's a rut. Yeah, unless he comes very close to the scoring title or a triple-double average or the Heat are SO far ahead of the rest of the league (looking unlikely) it's going to be hard for him,
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Post#407 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:37 pm by MrHidden

ardee wrote:I feel this is Durant's to lose. He's looking like a rich man's Larry Bird at times.

'Melo has been great, but I just feel his game is not as complete as KD's. Not to mention Durant's team is better in a better conference. Has to make a difference.

LeBron is still the best player, but he seems to be coasting at times. He'll probably still have a typical 27-8-7 season but to win his 4th MVP in 5 years he'll need to do something mind-blowing enough to not make the voters feel like it's a rut. Yeah, unless he comes very close to the scoring title or a triple-double average or the Heat are SO far ahead of the rest of the league (looking unlikely) it's going to be hard for him,


for real what do you want from him? something like 30/10/9 and 65 wins, if your answer is yes, you are insane, if lebron put this numbers he will be untouchable GOAT :roll:
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Post#408 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:07 pm by Luv those Knicks

MrHidden wrote:
ardee wrote:I feel this is Durant's to lose. He's looking like a rich man's Larry Bird at times.

'Melo has been great, but I just feel his game is not as complete as KD's. Not to mention Durant's team is better in a better conference. Has to make a difference.

LeBron is still the best player, but he seems to be coasting at times. He'll probably still have a typical 27-8-7 season but to win his 4th MVP in 5 years he'll need to do something mind-blowing enough to not make the voters feel like it's a rut. Yeah, unless he comes very close to the scoring title or a triple-double average or the Heat are SO far ahead of the rest of the league (looking unlikely) it's going to be hard for him,


for real what do you want from him? something like 30/10/9 and 65 wins, if your answer is yes, you are insane, if lebron put this numbers he will be untouchable GOAT :roll:


I think his point was a fair one. To win a 4th MVP in 5 years, he might have to do something special. Ardee called lebron the best player . . . so I'm not sure why you're going after him. (hope I don't get banned for posting that). Heat fan moderators are like refs. They play favorites. ;-)
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Post#409 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:47 pm by ardee

MrHidden wrote:
ardee wrote:I feel this is Durant's to lose. He's looking like a rich man's Larry Bird at times.

'Melo has been great, but I just feel his game is not as complete as KD's. Not to mention Durant's team is better in a better conference. Has to make a difference.

LeBron is still the best player, but he seems to be coasting at times. He'll probably still have a typical 27-8-7 season but to win his 4th MVP in 5 years he'll need to do something mind-blowing enough to not make the voters feel like it's a rut. Yeah, unless he comes very close to the scoring title or a triple-double average or the Heat are SO far ahead of the rest of the league (looking unlikely) it's going to be hard for him,


for real what do you want from him? something like 30/10/9 and 65 wins, if your answer is yes, you are insane, if lebron put this numbers he will be untouchable GOAT :roll:


Calm down. I'm saying the voters will want more then what he's already doing, which is a typical LeBron season. Of course, a typical LeBron season is usually good enough to be the best player in the league, but it's all about narrative when it comes to MVP voting.
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Post#410 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:54 pm by MrHidden

ardee wrote:
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ardee wrote:I feel this is Durant's to lose. He's looking like a rich man's Larry Bird at times.

'Melo has been great, but I just feel his game is not as complete as KD's. Not to mention Durant's team is better in a better conference. Has to make a difference.

LeBron is still the best player, but he seems to be coasting at times. He'll probably still have a typical 27-8-7 season but to win his 4th MVP in 5 years he'll need to do something mind-blowing enough to not make the voters feel like it's a rut. Yeah, unless he comes very close to the scoring title or a triple-double average or the Heat are SO far ahead of the rest of the league (looking unlikely) it's going to be hard for him,


for real what do you want from him? something like 30/10/9 and 65 wins, if your answer is yes, you are insane, if lebron put this numbers he will be untouchable GOAT :roll:


Calm down. I'm saying the voters will want more then what he's already doing, which is a typical LeBron season. Of course, a typical LeBron season is usually good enough to be the best player in the league, but it's all about narrative when it comes to MVP voting.


than voters are insane :lol: but now mvp is more about story than actual production (see Rose 2011) :wink:
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Post#411 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:14 pm by 28reloaded

Uh...Durant's production has been every bit as impressive as LeBron's

27.5/8.5/4.3/1.4/1.5 65.0 TS% .285 WSp48 28.2 PER 19-4 record

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25.5/8.6/6.8/0.8/1.4 60.2 TS% .252 WSp48 28.8 PER 14-6 record
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Post#412 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:21 pm by Ozark

28reloaded wrote:Uh...Durant's production has been every bit as impressive as LeBron's

27.5/8.5/4.3/1.4/1.5 65.0 TS% .285 WSp48 28.2 PER 19-4 record

vs

25.5/8.6/6.8/0.8/1.4 60.2 TS% .252 WSp48 28.8 PER 14-6 record



Durant's O rating 122 vs 119 for Lebron

Durant's D rating 101 vs 105 for Lebron

Rating diff 21 to 14 in favor of KD.

The discussion now is between KD and Lebron for who is the best basketball player on the planet.

Due to expectations and media markets, Carmelo has a chance at the MVP. Carmelo improving and winning in New York is a bigger media story than KD doing what's expected of him in Oklahoma.
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Post#413 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:40 pm by fallacy

Durant has definitely been the best player in the NBA this season, Lebron coasting or not.
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Post#414 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:04 pm by LBJ-ITALY

fallacy wrote:Durant has definitely been the best player in the NBA this season, Lebron coasting or not.


No, he isn't !Durante is a better scorer, but LBJ is a better basketball player!
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Post#415 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:25 pm by MrHidden

fallacy wrote:Durant has definitely been the best player in the NBA this season, Lebron coasting or not.


and here we go 8-)
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Post#416 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:33 pm by Tien

fallacy wrote:Durant has definitely been the best player in the NBA this season, Lebron coasting or not.


You just made 28reloaded blow a load in his pants.

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Post#417 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:37 pm by fallacy

Tien wrote:
fallacy wrote:Durant has definitely been the best player in the NBA this season, Lebron coasting or not.


You just made 28reloaded blow a load in his pants.

:lol:


I try 8-)


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Post#418 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:47 pm by donnieme

Ozark wrote:
28reloaded wrote:Uh...Durant's production has been every bit as impressive as LeBron's

27.5/8.5/4.3/1.4/1.5 65.0 TS% .285 WSp48 28.2 PER 19-4 record

vs

25.5/8.6/6.8/0.8/1.4 60.2 TS% .252 WSp48 28.8 PER 14-6 record



Durant's O rating 122 vs 119 for Lebron

Durant's D rating 101 vs 105 for Lebron

Rating diff 21 to 14 in favor of KD.

The discussion now is between KD and Lebron for who is the best basketball player on the planet.

Due to expectations and media markets, Carmelo has a chance at the MVP. Carmelo improving and winning in New York is a bigger media story than KD doing what's expected of him in Oklahoma.

If we're going strictly by storyline, I fully agree with you. The resurgence of the knicks is the story of the year so far. I don't think even Durant or Lebron have much of a MVP storyline to wow the idiot voters.
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Post#419 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:47 pm by Pimpwerx

Precedent said Lebron couldn't win a 3rd MVP before winning a ring. Precedent said last year's MVP was Durant's to lose. Precedent doesn't know what the hell he's talking about. PEACE.
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Post#420 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:54 pm by TheKingOfVa360

Right now it looks like it's a two man race between Melo and Durant (unless someone else steps up big time)

1. Melo
2. Durant
3. Duncan
4. Bron
5. Chris Paul
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