Race to the MVP pt. II

NoStatsGuy · Post #441 » by **NoStatsGuy** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 9:52 am

battle between melo and kd at the moment

jayjamesson · Post #442 » by **jayjamesson** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:38 am

RottenApple wrote:battle between melo and kd at the moment

For 2nd place, sure.

ardee · Post #443 » by **ardee** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:00 pm

jayjamesson wrote:
RottenApple wrote:battle between melo and kd at the moment

For 2nd place, sure.

If you really think LeBron is going to win the MVP playing like he is currently, you're in for a rude shock man.

bbms · Post #444 » by **bbms** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 12:54 pm

QPR wrote:People putting Melo above Durant - is that just how they think voting will go, or what the correct order should be?

If it's the latter, someone is going to have to explain to me exactly how Melo is ahead of Durant right now. In genuine basic terms like I'm a 'tard. Because I just can't see it.

Totally agreed.

Durant is basically better at everything than Melo. People are too high on Knicks finally looking good.

JordansBulls · Post #445 » by **JordansBulls** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 1:58 pm

If the standings hold it will be Durant 1st and Melo 2nd. Melo isn't going to finish ahead of Durant if Durant has better numbers and a better record.

ShowTimeERA · Post #446 » by **ShowTimeERA** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 2:20 pm

Durant will win it. He's been the best player in the league thus far. Lebron has been great offensively but defensively he's been subpar.

The_Dream · Post #447 » by **The_Dream** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:01 pm

ardee wrote:
jayjamesson wrote:
RottenApple wrote:battle between melo and kd at the moment

For 2nd place, sure.

If you really think LeBron is going to win the MVP playing like he is currently, you're in for a rude shock man.

Yeah, I mean.... What kind of MVP numbers are 25/6.7/8.6 with a PER of 29.06. Imagine the outrage if those numbers won somebody an MVP!

theokie · Post #448 » by **theokie** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:09 pm

LeBron can have the highest PER of all time if he wants, but if the Heat stay behind the Knicks and the Thunder he won't win.

The Heat have the 5th best record in the NBA right now, not many MVPs come out of that team.

No voter will look at PER anyways. They'll look at how many wins first, then points. Assists and rebounds will be a tie breaker. That and whoever ESPN hypes up who to vote for

The_Dream · Post #449 » by **The_Dream** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 4:33 pm

theokie wrote:LeBron can have the highest PER of all time if he wants, but if the Heat stay behind the Knicks and the Thunder he won't win.

The Heat have the 5th best record in the NBA right now, not many MVPs come out of that team.

No voter will look at PER anyways. They'll look at how many wins first, then points. Assists and rebounds will be a tie breaker. That and whoever ESPN hypes up who to vote for

So... LeBron wins again? He's better than Melo and Durant at passing the ball and rebounding (if only marginally better than Durant).

LeBron's team was behind 3 teams last year, if I remember correctly.

sprint2thecup · Post #450 » by **sprint2thecup** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 5:50 pm

at this rate it is melo in my opinion. durant is a close second.

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #451 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 7:49 pm

theokie wrote:LeBron can have the highest PER of all time if he wants, but if the Heat stay behind the Knicks and the Thunder he won't win.

The Heat have the 5th best record in the NBA right now, not many MVPs come out of that team.

No voter will look at PER anyways. They'll look at how many wins first, then points. Assists and rebounds will be a tie breaker. That and whoever ESPN hypes up who to vote for

Exactly, Bron might not even finish 3rd in this MVP Race. Right now the Knicks and Thunder are playing a lot better than the Heat. Also Durant and Melo have stepped their games up while Bron has stepped back a little (his defense hasn't been that great)

kamelion4291 · Post #452 » by **kamelion4291** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:05 pm

They stepped their games up and they still aren't at LeBron's level, so it shouldn't matter. LeBron shouldn't be punished because he's just naturally better than everyone else. If the Knicks don't finish with a better record than Miami, Melo has no chance at MVP.

The_Dream · Post #453 » by **The_Dream** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 8:38 pm

TheKingOfVa360 wrote:
theokie wrote:LeBron can have the highest PER of all time if he wants, but if the Heat stay behind the Knicks and the Thunder he won't win.

The Heat have the 5th best record in the NBA right now, not many MVPs come out of that team.

No voter will look at PER anyways. They'll look at how many wins first, then points. Assists and rebounds will be a tie breaker. That and whoever ESPN hypes up who to vote for

Exactly, Bron might not even finish 3rd in this MVP Race. Right now the Knicks and Thunder are playing a lot better than the Heat. Also Durant and Melo have stepped their games up while Bron has stepped back a little (his defense hasn't been that great)

There, I fixed that for you.

28reloaded · Post #454 » by **28reloaded** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:17 pm

uh...how has LeBron been better than Durant this season?

25.4/8.6/6.7/0.7/1.3 60.1 TS% .260 WSp48 28.9 PER 29.7 Eff Plus/Minus +105 On/Off +5.0

vs

27.5/8.5/4.3/1.4/1.5 65.0 TS% .283 WSp48 28.2 PER 30.4 Eff Plus/Minus +241 On/Off +17.7

The_Dream · Post #455 » by **The_Dream** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:21 pm

28reloaded wrote:uh...how has LeBron been better than Durant this season?

25.4/8.6/6.7/0.7/1.3 60.1 TS% .260 WSp48 28.9 PER 29.7 Eff Plus/Minus +105 On/Off +5.0

vs

27.5/8.5/4.3/1.4/1.5 65.0 TS% .283 WSp48 28.2 PER 30.4 Eff Plus/Minus +241 On/Off +17.7

How about we look at what voters actually care about? Pts/Rebounds/Assists, FG%, then defensive statistics. I never hear any of the big markets (who ultimately decide who wins) say that Durant should get MVP because his TS% if higher than LBJ's.

The downplaying of the margin between LeBron's playmaking ability and Durant's playmaking ability has become such a joke lately :lol:

Fact of the matter is, LeBron assumes more roles for his teams than what Durant does for his. LBJ is shooting 54% to Durant's 51%. Durant is a better scorer, rebounding is a wash. The biggest difference is LBJ's playmaking ability to Durant's. The difference is ridiculous.

Ozark · Post #456 » by **Ozark** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:25 pm

The_Dream wrote:
28reloaded wrote:uh...how has LeBron been better than Durant this season?

25.4/8.6/6.7/0.7/1.3 60.1 TS% .260 WSp48 28.9 PER 29.7 Eff Plus/Minus +105 On/Off +5.0

vs

27.5/8.5/4.3/1.4/1.5 65.0 TS% .283 WSp48 28.2 PER 30.4 Eff Plus/Minus +241 On/Off +17.7

How about we look at what voters actually care about? Pts/Rebounds/Assists, FG%, then defensive statistics. I never hear any of the big markets (who ultimately decide who wins) say that Durant should get MVP because his TS% if higher than LBJ's.

The downplaying of the margin between LeBron's playmaking ability and Durant's playmaking ability has become such a joke lately

Fact of the matter is, LeBron assumes more roles for his teams than what Durant does for his. LBJ is shooting 54% to Durant's 51%. Durant is a better scorer, rebounding is a wash. The biggest difference is LBJ's playmaking ability to Durant's. The difference is ridiculous.

Defensive statistics you say? Durant D rating 101 vs Lebron D rating 105. Durant wins.

Ozark · Post #457 » by **Ozark** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:30 pm

Also, D rating for Melo is 107 v. 105 for Lebron and 101 for Durant.

O rating vs. D rating diff is 21 for KD, 14 for Bron, and 7 for Anthony.

The only thing Melo has going for him is that he's improved from a top 30 player to a top 5 player, the Knicks are winning, he's defying expectations, and playing in New York.

KD and Bron still live on a different plane of Nirvana than Melo, in terms of real life basketball skill.

(In my opinion of course. Backed up by statistics, but I'm just saying. Also by my eyes, but who's counting?)

28reloaded · Post #458 » by **28reloaded** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:32 pm

The_Dream wrote:
How about we look at what voters actually care about? Pts/Rebounds/Assists, FG%, then defensive statistics. I never hear any of the big markets (who ultimately decide who wins) say that Durant should get MVP because his TS% if higher than LBJ's.

The downplaying of the margin between LeBron's playmaking ability and Durant's playmaking ability has become such a joke lately

Fact of the matter is, LeBron assumes more roles for his teams than what Durant does for his. LBJ is shooting 54% to Durant's 51%. Durant is a better scorer, rebounding is a wash. The biggest difference is LBJ's playmaking ability to Durant's. The difference is ridiculous.

And the ignoring of Durant's superior off the ball play opening up 1 on 1 matchups for his teammates as he constantly requires a man on him 25 feet from the basket is an even bigger joke.

Durant's at 28 ppg on 52/44/90
LeBron's at 25 ppg on 54/42/68

LeBron's bad free throw shooting is downplayed as well along with his inability to get to the line at this point.

And Durant has been a much better half court player this year as well.

LeBron's shooting 52.8 eFG% in the half court, Durant's at 54.8 eFG%.

When you factor in Durant's much higher draw foul rate/free throw shooting, there's no comparison in the half court. It's a joke how much better Durant is.

MisterWestside · Post #459 » by **MisterWestside** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:45 pm

28reloaded wrote:It's a joke how much better Durant is.

Your conclusion is a joke. I agree that Durant has played better in '13, but he's not blowing away his competition.

Also, while Durant has played well on defense, those on-off numbers are misleading. Keep in mind that the Thunder can use Ibaka/Perkins/Thabeet for their lineups, as well as Thabo on the perimeter; Durant has been paired with these players often. They have more versatility on defense than the Heat roster, who have used "small ball" lineups.

kamelion4291 · Post #460 » by **kamelion4291** » Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:47 pm

Ozark wrote:
The_Dream wrote:
28reloaded wrote:uh...how has LeBron been better than Durant this season?

25.4/8.6/6.7/0.7/1.3 60.1 TS% .260 WSp48 28.9 PER 29.7 Eff Plus/Minus +105 On/Off +5.0

vs

27.5/8.5/4.3/1.4/1.5 65.0 TS% .283 WSp48 28.2 PER 30.4 Eff Plus/Minus +241 On/Off +17.7

How about we look at what voters actually care about? Pts/Rebounds/Assists, FG%, then defensive statistics. I never hear any of the big markets (who ultimately decide who wins) say that Durant should get MVP because his TS% if higher than LBJ's.

The downplaying of the margin between LeBron's playmaking ability and Durant's playmaking ability has become such a joke lately

Fact of the matter is, LeBron assumes more roles for his teams than what Durant does for his. LBJ is shooting 54% to Durant's 51%. Durant is a better scorer, rebounding is a wash. The biggest difference is LBJ's playmaking ability to Durant's. The difference is ridiculous.

Defensive statistics you say? Durant D rating 101 vs Lebron D rating 105. Durant wins.

Carlos Boozer 6th best defensive rating in the NBA. 2nd in the NBA last season. Good stat.