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Post#376 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:12 pm by omerome

EscapoTHB wrote:Melo will only get it if the knicks win the east. And are better than the thunder. Lot of season to go. Only reason melo is in the discussion is because the knicks are winning.

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Obviously...

Durant, LeBron, Melo, or Duncan wouldn't be in the MVP discussion if they weren't winning.
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Post#377 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:12 pm by Albert23

fallacy wrote:26 pts, 9 rebs, 7 asts, 1.5 stls, 1 blk, 3 TO, .54/.44/.68 .602 ts% 30.3 PER, 14-6


27 pts, 9 rebs, 4 asts, 2 stls, 1 blk, 3 TO, .51/.43/.89 .642 ts%, 28.0 PER, 18-4

>>>

28 pts, 6 rebs, 2 asts, 1 stls, 1 blk, 3 TO, .47/.46/.81 .592 ts%, 26.1 PER, 17-5


1. Durant
2. Melo

3. Lebron

Why didn't you post LeBron's stats? I added them above but I'm not certain how it puts him so much lower the other duo when he screams efficiency.
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Post#378 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:16 pm by fallacy

Albert23 wrote:
fallacy wrote:26 pts, 9 rebs, 7 asts, 1.5 stls, 1 blk, 3 TO, .54/.44/.68 .602 ts% 30.3 PER, 14-6


27 pts, 9 rebs, 4 asts, 2 stls, 1 blk, 3 TO, .51/.43/.89 .642 ts%, 28.0 PER, 18-4

>>>

28 pts, 6 rebs, 2 asts, 1 stls, 1 blk, 3 TO, .47/.46/.81 .592 ts%, 26.1 PER, 17-5


1. Durant
2. Melo

3. Lebron

Why didn't you post LeBron's stats? I added them above but I'm not certain how it puts him so much lower the other duo when he screams efficiency.


The space was an accident :lol:

I didn't put lebron on there because as long as the knicks are better than the Heat, Lebron has no chance to win the MVP. His efficiency is good, better than Melo, but he's far from Durant's level of efficiency due to his awful free throw shooting
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Post#379 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:17 pm by SweetTouch

damn I thought KD was still averaging like 12 rpg like the beginning of the season
Stop being so disrespectful.
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Post#380 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:51 pm by Albert23

fallacy wrote:
Albert23 wrote:
fallacy wrote:26 pts, 9 rebs, 7 asts, 1.5 stls, 1 blk, 3 TO, .54/.44/.68 .602 ts% 30.3 PER, 14-6


27 pts, 9 rebs, 4 asts, 2 stls, 1 blk, 3 TO, .51/.43/.89 .642 ts%, 28.0 PER, 18-4

>>>

28 pts, 6 rebs, 2 asts, 1 stls, 1 blk, 3 TO, .47/.46/.81 .592 ts%, 26.1 PER, 17-5


1. Durant
2. Melo

3. Lebron

Why didn't you post LeBron's stats? I added them above but I'm not certain how it puts him so much lower the other duo when he screams efficiency.


The space was an accident :lol:

I didn't put lebron on there because as long as the knicks are better than the Heat, Lebron has no chance to win the MVP. His efficiency is good, better than Melo, but he's far from Durant's level of efficiency due to his awful free throw shooting

Well it certainly did not stop LeBron last year. The Bulls were seen as much more coherent and their defense was stifling... but LeBron won the hearts of most MVP voters. Regarding LBJ's efficiency, it is much better than Melo's, correct. But "far from Durant's level" simply due to free throws? In what other category does KD beat LBJ in efficiency? How about the defensive abilities of the two? The passing/playmaking abilities? Their post play? Fortunately, the PER seems to understand the disparity between the two and displays it as such.
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Post#381 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 14, 2012 4:53 pm by osamu

I think fallacy is right^
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Post#382 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:36 pm by The_Dream

Where's that guy who was saying KD's stats were better than LBJ's now? Getting a little bit of the early season blues?
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Post#383 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 14, 2012 7:22 pm by boogie-reke

bwgood77 wrote:
regGQ wrote:I'm taking Melo over Durant this season, sorry.


Why? Durant has a higher rebound rate, a much higher assist rate (more than twice) and then if you want to look at shooting, Durant even has a higher true shooting perentage? Durant plays better D too..

Not sure why you would pick Melo unless you want "most improved" to enter into the equation.


Melo plays D too tbh.

Durant also leads his team to a better winning % on btw, which is crucial.

But I think what gives Melo the edge right now and IF he and the Knicks can continue this throughout the season - is that he's doing it with the Knicks.

Some would disagree, but the fact that he's doing it with such a notoriously losing/dissapointing team, that no one gave them a chance before the season, an 8th seed last year who barely managed to enter the playoffs and were damn near swept in the first round - plays a huge role in why Melo is currently neck&neck with KD for MVP.

I will say that KD never winning the MVP yet plays a huge role aswell on his part - but if both of them continue this form, and more importantly both their teams continue to stay close to eachother in the standings winning the East and West - it'll be a coin flip between them, despite KD stats much more likely to be better.

MVP votes is not black and white, so while I do get what you're saying, it's just not the way it works and we've seen it many times before.
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Post#384 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:24 pm by Joao Saraiva

The way I see it right now Melo is ahead. But if the Heat get on a roll it is LeBron. His statline is just insane, specially with the efficiency he gets it.
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Post#385 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:28 pm by fallacy

31 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals, 10-14 fg, 2-3 3pt, 9-9 ft


Just absurd :lol:
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Post#386 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:30 pm by WinisKing

fallacy wrote:31 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals, 10-14 fg, 2-3 3pt, 9-9 ft


Just absurd :lol:

I think you forgot the turnovers....
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Post#387 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:32 pm by fallacy

WinisKing wrote:
fallacy wrote:31 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals, 10-14 fg, 2-3 3pt, 9-9 ft


Just absurd :lol:

I think you forgot the turnovers....


oh damn, his six turnovers made his game terrible :lol:
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Post#388 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:33 pm by lolcat

good shooting night. not absurd by any means
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Post#389 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:37 pm by DerekRD

lolcat wrote:good shooting night. not absurd by any means


Was 9-11 before the bench blew a huge lead and he had to come back in.
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Post#390 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:01 pm by MisterWestside

fallacy wrote:oh damn, his six turnovers made his game terrible :lol:


It's always interesting how posters forget that turnovers can drive down a player's and team's efficiency on offense.
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Post#391 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:04 pm by Joao Saraiva

MisterWestside wrote:
fallacy wrote:oh damn, his six turnovers made his game terrible :lol:


It's always interesting how posters forget that turnovers can drive down a player's and team's efficiency on offense.


let's face it when a player is that efficient with his shooting and gets 4 steals, 6 TOs are somehow irrelevant.
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Post#392 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:06 pm by fallacy

MisterWestside wrote:
fallacy wrote:oh damn, his six turnovers made his game terrible :lol:


It's always interesting how posters forget that turnovers can drive down a player's and team's efficiency on offense.


That's true. Here are the three MVP candidates turnovers per game: 3.2, 2.7, 2.7
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Post#393 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:08 pm by MisterWestside

Joao Saraiva wrote:let's face it when a player is that efficient with his shooting and gets 4 steals, 6 TOs are somehow irrelevant.


Well they're not. I think Durant still played well, but not as otherworldly as his shooting numbers might suggest. He's played otherworldly games before, in which he shot the ball well and didn't turn it over.
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Post#394 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:09 pm by theokie

1) Carmelo
2) Durant
3) LeBron

Obviously i'm biased towards Durant, but at this point I don't even think he'd win the MVP right now
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Post#395 Re: Race to the MVP pt. II
Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:01 am by Tron Carter

theokie wrote:1) Carmelo
2) Durant
3) LeBron

Obviously i'm biased towards Durant, but at this point I don't even think he'd win the MVP right now


How do you switch after the game he had against the Kings?

I'm just curious because he played well.
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