Race to the MVP pt. II

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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#376 » by omerome » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:12 pm

EscapoTHB wrote:Melo will only get it if the knicks win the east. And are better than the thunder. Lot of season to go. Only reason melo is in the discussion is because the knicks are winning.

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Obviously...

Durant, LeBron, Melo, or Duncan wouldn't be in the MVP discussion if they weren't winning.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#377 » by Albert23 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:12 pm

fallacy wrote:26 pts, 9 rebs, 7 asts, 1.5 stls, 1 blk, 3 TO, .54/.44/.68 .602 ts% 30.3 PER, 14-6


27 pts, 9 rebs, 4 asts, 2 stls, 1 blk, 3 TO, .51/.43/.89 .642 ts%, 28.0 PER, 18-4

>>>

28 pts, 6 rebs, 2 asts, 1 stls, 1 blk, 3 TO, .47/.46/.81 .592 ts%, 26.1 PER, 17-5


1. Durant
2. Melo

3. Lebron

Why didn't you post LeBron's stats? I added them above but I'm not certain how it puts him so much lower the other duo when he screams efficiency.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#378 » by fallacy » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:16 pm

Albert23 wrote:
fallacy wrote:26 pts, 9 rebs, 7 asts, 1.5 stls, 1 blk, 3 TO, .54/.44/.68 .602 ts% 30.3 PER, 14-6


27 pts, 9 rebs, 4 asts, 2 stls, 1 blk, 3 TO, .51/.43/.89 .642 ts%, 28.0 PER, 18-4

>>>

28 pts, 6 rebs, 2 asts, 1 stls, 1 blk, 3 TO, .47/.46/.81 .592 ts%, 26.1 PER, 17-5


1. Durant
2. Melo

3. Lebron

Why didn't you post LeBron's stats? I added them above but I'm not certain how it puts him so much lower the other duo when he screams efficiency.


The space was an accident :lol:

I didn't put lebron on there because as long as the knicks are better than the Heat, Lebron has no chance to win the MVP. His efficiency is good, better than Melo, but he's far from Durant's level of efficiency due to his awful free throw shooting
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#379 » by SweetTouch » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:17 pm

damn I thought KD was still averaging like 12 rpg like the beginning of the season
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#380 » by Albert23 » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:51 pm

fallacy wrote:
Albert23 wrote:
fallacy wrote:26 pts, 9 rebs, 7 asts, 1.5 stls, 1 blk, 3 TO, .54/.44/.68 .602 ts% 30.3 PER, 14-6


27 pts, 9 rebs, 4 asts, 2 stls, 1 blk, 3 TO, .51/.43/.89 .642 ts%, 28.0 PER, 18-4

>>>

28 pts, 6 rebs, 2 asts, 1 stls, 1 blk, 3 TO, .47/.46/.81 .592 ts%, 26.1 PER, 17-5


1. Durant
2. Melo

3. Lebron

Why didn't you post LeBron's stats? I added them above but I'm not certain how it puts him so much lower the other duo when he screams efficiency.


The space was an accident :lol:

I didn't put lebron on there because as long as the knicks are better than the Heat, Lebron has no chance to win the MVP. His efficiency is good, better than Melo, but he's far from Durant's level of efficiency due to his awful free throw shooting

Well it certainly did not stop LeBron last year. The Bulls were seen as much more coherent and their defense was stifling... but LeBron won the hearts of most MVP voters. Regarding LBJ's efficiency, it is much better than Melo's, correct. But "far from Durant's level" simply due to free throws? In what other category does KD beat LBJ in efficiency? How about the defensive abilities of the two? The passing/playmaking abilities? Their post play? Fortunately, the PER seems to understand the disparity between the two and displays it as such.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#381 » by osamu » Fri Dec 14, 2012 9:53 pm

I think fallacy is right^
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#382 » by The_Dream » Fri Dec 14, 2012 11:36 pm

Where's that guy who was saying KD's stats were better than LBJ's now? Getting a little bit of the early season blues?
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#383 » by boogie-reke » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:22 am

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regGQ wrote:I'm taking Melo over Durant this season, sorry.


Why? Durant has a higher rebound rate, a much higher assist rate (more than twice) and then if you want to look at shooting, Durant even has a higher true shooting perentage? Durant plays better D too..

Not sure why you would pick Melo unless you want "most improved" to enter into the equation.


Melo plays D too tbh.

Durant also leads his team to a better winning % on btw, which is crucial.

But I think what gives Melo the edge right now and IF he and the Knicks can continue this throughout the season - is that he's doing it with the Knicks.

Some would disagree, but the fact that he's doing it with such a notoriously losing/dissapointing team, that no one gave them a chance before the season, an 8th seed last year who barely managed to enter the playoffs and were damn near swept in the first round - plays a huge role in why Melo is currently neck&neck with KD for MVP.

I will say that KD never winning the MVP yet plays a huge role aswell on his part - but if both of them continue this form, and more importantly both their teams continue to stay close to eachother in the standings winning the East and West - it'll be a coin flip between them, despite KD stats much more likely to be better.

MVP votes is not black and white, so while I do get what you're saying, it's just not the way it works and we've seen it many times before.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#384 » by Joao Saraiva » Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:24 am

The way I see it right now Melo is ahead. But if the Heat get on a roll it is LeBron. His statline is just insane, specially with the efficiency he gets it.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#385 » by fallacy » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:28 am

31 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals, 10-14 fg, 2-3 3pt, 9-9 ft


Just absurd :lol:
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#386 » by WinisKing » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:30 am

fallacy wrote:31 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals, 10-14 fg, 2-3 3pt, 9-9 ft


Just absurd :lol:

I think you forgot the turnovers....
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#387 » by fallacy » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:32 am

WinisKing wrote:
fallacy wrote:31 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals, 10-14 fg, 2-3 3pt, 9-9 ft


Just absurd :lol:

I think you forgot the turnovers....


oh damn, his six turnovers made his game terrible :lol:
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#388 » by lolcat » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:33 am

good shooting night. not absurd by any means
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#389 » by DerekRD » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:37 am

lolcat wrote:good shooting night. not absurd by any means


Was 9-11 before the bench blew a huge lead and he had to come back in.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#390 » by MisterWestside » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:01 am

fallacy wrote:oh damn, his six turnovers made his game terrible :lol:


It's always interesting how posters forget that turnovers can drive down a player's and team's efficiency on offense.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#391 » by Joao Saraiva » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:04 am

MisterWestside wrote:
fallacy wrote:oh damn, his six turnovers made his game terrible :lol:


It's always interesting how posters forget that turnovers can drive down a player's and team's efficiency on offense.


let's face it when a player is that efficient with his shooting and gets 4 steals, 6 TOs are somehow irrelevant.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#392 » by fallacy » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:06 am

MisterWestside wrote:
fallacy wrote:oh damn, his six turnovers made his game terrible :lol:


It's always interesting how posters forget that turnovers can drive down a player's and team's efficiency on offense.


That's true. Here are the three MVP candidates turnovers per game: 3.2, 2.7, 2.7
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#393 » by MisterWestside » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:08 am

Joao Saraiva wrote:let's face it when a player is that efficient with his shooting and gets 4 steals, 6 TOs are somehow irrelevant.


Well they're not. I think Durant still played well, but not as otherworldly as his shooting numbers might suggest. He's played otherworldly games before, in which he shot the ball well and didn't turn it over.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#394 » by theokie » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:09 am

1) Carmelo
2) Durant
3) LeBron

Obviously i'm biased towards Durant, but at this point I don't even think he'd win the MVP right now
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#395 » by Tron Carter » Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:01 am

theokie wrote:1) Carmelo
2) Durant
3) LeBron

Obviously i'm biased towards Durant, but at this point I don't even think he'd win the MVP right now


How do you switch after the game he had against the Kings?

I'm just curious because he played well.
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