Race to the MVP pt. II

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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#391 » by Joao Saraiva » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:04 am

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fallacy wrote:oh damn, his six turnovers made his game terrible :lol:


It's always interesting how posters forget that turnovers can drive down a player's and team's efficiency on offense.


let's face it when a player is that efficient with his shooting and gets 4 steals, 6 TOs are somehow irrelevant.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#392 » by fallacy » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:06 am

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fallacy wrote:oh damn, his six turnovers made his game terrible :lol:


It's always interesting how posters forget that turnovers can drive down a player's and team's efficiency on offense.


That's true. Here are the three MVP candidates turnovers per game: 3.2, 2.7, 2.7
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#393 » by MisterWestside » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:08 am

Joao Saraiva wrote:let's face it when a player is that efficient with his shooting and gets 4 steals, 6 TOs are somehow irrelevant.


Well they're not. I think Durant still played well, but not as otherworldly as his shooting numbers might suggest. He's played otherworldly games before, in which he shot the ball well and didn't turn it over.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#394 » by theokie » Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:09 am

1) Carmelo
2) Durant
3) LeBron

Obviously i'm biased towards Durant, but at this point I don't even think he'd win the MVP right now
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#395 » by Tron Carter » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:01 am

theokie wrote:1) Carmelo
2) Durant
3) LeBron

Obviously i'm biased towards Durant, but at this point I don't even think he'd win the MVP right now


How do you switch after the game he had against the Kings?

I'm just curious because he played well.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#396 » by theokie » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:14 am

HakeemKnicks wrote:
theokie wrote:1) Carmelo
2) Durant
3) LeBron

Obviously i'm biased towards Durant, but at this point I don't even think he'd win the MVP right now


How do you switch after the game he had against the Kings?

I'm just curious because he played well.


I made the switch before the game. Just think if there was a vote right now theres more hype surrounding Melo and the Knicks than Durant and the Thunder.

Obviously its still early, most people won't even notice the NBA is going on until after football is finished.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#397 » by Tron Carter » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:21 am

theokie wrote:
HakeemKnicks wrote:
theokie wrote:1) Carmelo
2) Durant
3) LeBron

Obviously i'm biased towards Durant, but at this point I don't even think he'd win the MVP right now


How do you switch after the game he had against the Kings?

I'm just curious because he played well.


I made the switch before the game. Just think if there was a vote right now theres more hype surrounding Melo and the Knicks than Durant and the Thunder.

Obviously its still early, most people won't even notice the NBA is going on until after football is finished.


Fair, although honestly the hype will die down because it's so early.

Looking forward to a Melo-KD regular season showdowns though similarly to how I looked forward to the Lebron-KD regular season showdowns last season!

It's gonna be great because it will be later in the season (first meeting March 7th) and the Knicks (lord willing) will be healthy with Shumpert and Amare back.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#398 » by theokie » Sat Dec 15, 2012 1:28 am

^^^

Ya only two games between NY and OKC are in March and April, both nationally televised on TNT and ABC. Those games could sway a lot of votes
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#399 » by EscapoTHB » Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:04 am

omerome wrote:
EscapoTHB wrote:Melo will only get it if the knicks win the east. And are better than the thunder. Lot of season to go. Only reason melo is in the discussion is because the knicks are winning.

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Obviously...

Durant, LeBron, Melo, or Duncan wouldn't be in the MVP discussion if they weren't winning.

Right. So I don't know why everyone is talking stats. Team wins will decide it. Melo has good enough stats that even though durant and bron have better stats team record will decide it.

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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#400 » by Hero » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:11 am

Refs seem to be giving Durant as many free throws as they can. 14 is high.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#401 » by boogie-reke » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:02 am

Joao Saraiva wrote:
MisterWestside wrote:
fallacy wrote:oh damn, his six turnovers made his game terrible :lol:


It's always interesting how posters forget that turnovers can drive down a player's and team's efficiency on offense.


let's face it when a player is that efficient with his shooting and gets 4 steals, 6 TOs are somehow irrelevant.


They still need to be mentioned if someone takes the time to look at his stat-line and post it. whichever way you spin it 6 TOs are negative and should be mentioned in one's statline - not that it automatically makes his performance bad cause it surely wasn't - but "conveniently" not giving the full stat-line is pretty lame imo.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#402 » by boogie-reke » Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:05 am

EscapoTHB wrote:
omerome wrote:
EscapoTHB wrote:Melo will only get it if the knicks win the east. And are better than the thunder. Lot of season to go. Only reason melo is in the discussion is because the knicks are winning.

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Obviously...

Durant, LeBron, Melo, or Duncan wouldn't be in the MVP discussion if they weren't winning.

Right. So I don't know why everyone is talking stats. Team wins will decide it. Melo has good enough stats that even though durant and bron have better stats team record will decide it.

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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#403 » by Mark K » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:14 am

Team wins is important, but so are individual stats.

If Melo was averaging 22 a game and the Knicks still had this record, would we still be talking about him in the same light?

Durant is number one for me. His efficiency this season as a wing player is damn incredible.

Its reaching prime Adrian Dantley levels.

.65% and his team is on a 10 game winning streak, with career highs in FG%, 3P%, boards, assists, steals and blocks.

OKC also have the best record in the league.

For me, its:

KD
Melo
Lebron

Anyone else is irrelevant.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#404 » by bbms » Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:56 am

KingCuban wrote:If Melo was averaging 22 a game and the Knicks still had this record, would we still be talking about him in the same light?

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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#405 » by Ozark » Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:09 am

Hero wrote:Refs seem to be giving Durant as many free throws as they can. 14 is high.



except he got 9, not 14. He took 14 shots to get 31 pts.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#406 » by ardee » Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:14 pm

I feel this is Durant's to lose. He's looking like a rich man's Larry Bird at times.

'Melo has been great, but I just feel his game is not as complete as KD's. Not to mention Durant's team is better in a better conference. Has to make a difference.

LeBron is still the best player, but he seems to be coasting at times. He'll probably still have a typical 27-8-7 season but to win his 4th MVP in 5 years he'll need to do something mind-blowing enough to not make the voters feel like it's a rut. Yeah, unless he comes very close to the scoring title or a triple-double average or the Heat are SO far ahead of the rest of the league (looking unlikely) it's going to be hard for him,
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#407 » by MrHidden » Sat Dec 15, 2012 3:37 pm

ardee wrote:I feel this is Durant's to lose. He's looking like a rich man's Larry Bird at times.

'Melo has been great, but I just feel his game is not as complete as KD's. Not to mention Durant's team is better in a better conference. Has to make a difference.

LeBron is still the best player, but he seems to be coasting at times. He'll probably still have a typical 27-8-7 season but to win his 4th MVP in 5 years he'll need to do something mind-blowing enough to not make the voters feel like it's a rut. Yeah, unless he comes very close to the scoring title or a triple-double average or the Heat are SO far ahead of the rest of the league (looking unlikely) it's going to be hard for him,


for real what do you want from him? something like 30/10/9 and 65 wins, if your answer is yes, you are insane, if lebron put this numbers he will be untouchable GOAT :roll:
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#408 » by Luv those Knicks » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:07 pm

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ardee wrote:I feel this is Durant's to lose. He's looking like a rich man's Larry Bird at times.

'Melo has been great, but I just feel his game is not as complete as KD's. Not to mention Durant's team is better in a better conference. Has to make a difference.

LeBron is still the best player, but he seems to be coasting at times. He'll probably still have a typical 27-8-7 season but to win his 4th MVP in 5 years he'll need to do something mind-blowing enough to not make the voters feel like it's a rut. Yeah, unless he comes very close to the scoring title or a triple-double average or the Heat are SO far ahead of the rest of the league (looking unlikely) it's going to be hard for him,


for real what do you want from him? something like 30/10/9 and 65 wins, if your answer is yes, you are insane, if lebron put this numbers he will be untouchable GOAT :roll:


I think his point was a fair one. To win a 4th MVP in 5 years, he might have to do something special. Ardee called lebron the best player . . . so I'm not sure why you're going after him. (hope I don't get banned for posting that). Heat fan moderators are like refs. They play favorites. ;-)
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#409 » by ardee » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:47 pm

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ardee wrote:I feel this is Durant's to lose. He's looking like a rich man's Larry Bird at times.

'Melo has been great, but I just feel his game is not as complete as KD's. Not to mention Durant's team is better in a better conference. Has to make a difference.

LeBron is still the best player, but he seems to be coasting at times. He'll probably still have a typical 27-8-7 season but to win his 4th MVP in 5 years he'll need to do something mind-blowing enough to not make the voters feel like it's a rut. Yeah, unless he comes very close to the scoring title or a triple-double average or the Heat are SO far ahead of the rest of the league (looking unlikely) it's going to be hard for him,


for real what do you want from him? something like 30/10/9 and 65 wins, if your answer is yes, you are insane, if lebron put this numbers he will be untouchable GOAT :roll:


Calm down. I'm saying the voters will want more then what he's already doing, which is a typical LeBron season. Of course, a typical LeBron season is usually good enough to be the best player in the league, but it's all about narrative when it comes to MVP voting.
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Re: Race to the MVP pt. II 

Post#410 » by MrHidden » Sat Dec 15, 2012 4:54 pm

ardee wrote:
MrHidden wrote:
ardee wrote:I feel this is Durant's to lose. He's looking like a rich man's Larry Bird at times.

'Melo has been great, but I just feel his game is not as complete as KD's. Not to mention Durant's team is better in a better conference. Has to make a difference.

LeBron is still the best player, but he seems to be coasting at times. He'll probably still have a typical 27-8-7 season but to win his 4th MVP in 5 years he'll need to do something mind-blowing enough to not make the voters feel like it's a rut. Yeah, unless he comes very close to the scoring title or a triple-double average or the Heat are SO far ahead of the rest of the league (looking unlikely) it's going to be hard for him,


for real what do you want from him? something like 30/10/9 and 65 wins, if your answer is yes, you are insane, if lebron put this numbers he will be untouchable GOAT :roll:


Calm down. I'm saying the voters will want more then what he's already doing, which is a typical LeBron season. Of course, a typical LeBron season is usually good enough to be the best player in the league, but it's all about narrative when it comes to MVP voting.


than voters are insane :lol: but now mvp is more about story than actual production (see Rose 2011) :wink:

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