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Post#136 Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin
Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:39 am by jjscap

Aki wrote:lin and parsons (+money filler) for gasol straight up

Parsons is not going anywhere.
I also think Rockets have been too harsh on Lin.. Every time I check the new I see they're complaining about him. They said he was too lazy to recover from his injury.. Not determined enough.. And they bench him in 4th even when he is playing good ball. A bit patience would be nice. This guy is almost like a rookie with limited experience, returning from a serious injury and trying to adapt to a new role in a new team.
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Post#137 Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin
Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:40 am by realgm1980

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Post#138 Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin
Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:06 am by CoachKobe

it's all publicity, the whole signing.
he's just not an above average player and should consider himself lucky to be a starting pg in this league. closing out games? lol, plz, rewatch that 3pa vs miami.
he got his 15 minutes of fame but that's about it.
unfortunately, people still talk about him. i mean, there are more postings about lin in this thread than about westbrook in the entire season. what's that all about? when will it stop? there's a reason why it's called 15 minutes of fame...
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Post#139 Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin
Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:17 am by KingCuban

CoachKobe wrote:it's all publicity, the whole signing.
he's just not an above average player and should consider himself lucky to be a starting pg in this league. closing out games? lol, plz, rewatch that 3pa vs miami.
he got his 15 minutes of fame but that's about it.
unfortunately, people still talk about him. i mean, there are more postings about lin in this thread than about westbrook in the entire season. what's that all about? when will it stop? there's a reason why it's called 15 minutes of fame...


Nonsense.

A guy who drops 38 a few games ago against the Spurs and who had that run that he had last season is more than a capable starter in this league.

Like most players, if you don't allow them to play their natural game and put them in situations to excel within themselves, their value drops.

The kid can play. His big games haven't been flukes.

I honestly don't know what the Rockets do well on offense.

It seems to disorganised, static and unplanned at times.
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Post#140 Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin
Sat Dec 15, 2012 8:30 am by abark

Lin has struggled to fit in both systems he has played in. His greatest moments have come when superior players on his team were injured and he was allowed to freelance. Its great that he can play so well when given a full green light, but it has to be concerning that he can't seem to coexist with a star player. A lot of much better players have been left behind because they couldn't fit in. I agree that Lin isn't being utilized best, but a coach's top priority should not be finding a way to best utilize a guy who might not even be one of the 3 best players on the team.
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Post#141 Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin
Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:05 am by 13th Man

LarsV8 wrote:Toney Douglas plays more because he gives the Rockets a better shot to win.


Then it would make total sense to start him no?
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Post#142 Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin
Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:11 am by 13th Man

I think what they're doing now is an insult to Lin, no other starting PG in the entire league is treated like this. It's like something else is going on in the background between the coaches and ownership that we don't know about and Lin is being used to be made an example of.

Imo, if they don't think he gives them a better chance of winning then let him come off the bench. No other starter plays less minutes than their backup and sit the entire 4 quarters, that's just silly. What they're doing now is bull and is messing up a young kid's confidence level as well. Both McHale and Sampson need to be more supportive of Lin, help groom him to become a better player, they are doing the opposite. Very bad coaching imo, even high school coaches don't pull this ****.
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Post#143 Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin
Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:19 am by EscapoTHB

13th Man wrote:I think what they're doing now is an insult to Lin, no other PG in the entire league is treated like this. It's like something else is going on in the background between the coaches and ownership that we don't know about and Lin is being used to be made an example of.

Imo, if they don't think he gives them a better chance of winning then let him come off the bench. It makes sense for so many reasons. What they're doing now is bull and is messing up a young kid's confidence level as well. Both McHale and Sampson need to be more supportive of their players. Very bad coaching imo, even high school coaches don't pull this ****.


Dragic and lowry had the same things done to them. Mchale cant coach point guards. Maybe lin should have researched that and just resigned with the knicks?

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Post#144 Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin
Sat Dec 15, 2012 10:25 am by jeremylinMVP

trade him to the raps!

would be nice ;)
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Post#145 Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin
Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:29 pm by Zubby

KingCuban wrote:Nonsense.

A guy who drops 38 a few games ago against the Spurs and who had that run that he had last season is more than a capable starter in this league.

Like most players, if you don't allow them to play their natural game and put them in situations to excel within themselves, their value drops.

The kid can play. His big games haven't been flukes.

I honestly don't know what the Rockets do well on offense.

It seems to disorganised, static and unplanned at times.

Houston still manages to score more point then any other team on the road and only behind OKC & SPurs at Home...

Harden missed two games...
1st game Lin played bad in a blowout to Utah.
2nd game Lin played great in a loss to Spurs... btw which Asik role is so underrated in that game he beat Duncan for the 2nd time this year, really kept Rockets in the 1st half.

13th Man wrote:I think what they're doing now is an insult to Lin, no other starting PG in the entire league is treated like this. It's like something else is going on in the background between the coaches and ownership that we don't know about and Lin is being used to be made an example of.

Imo, if they don't think he gives them a better chance of winning then let him come off the bench. No other starter plays less minutes than their backup and sit the entire 4 quarters, that's just silly. What they're doing now is bull and is messing up a young kid's confidence level as well. Both McHale and Sampson need to be more supportive of Lin, help groom him to become a better player, they are doing the opposite. Very bad coaching imo, even high school coaches don't pull this ****.

Comon now...
Yes Lin is an NBA talent, but you don't rework the structure of a team for one player... Lin needs to and will adjust.
Daquen Cook had a decent game vs. OKC should Houston go out and run 10 plays for Cook and play him 30mpg
If they did sure Cook would avg 15-20ppg but thats not their goal.

Lin stats from last year after Dantoni got fired...

13ppg/5.4ast/4reb/1stl/.4blk/3.7to/.429fg%/.294% from 3

this year

11ppg/6.1ast/4.1reb/1.8stl/.5blk/2.7to/.397%/.310% from 3


its a process



EscapoTHB wrote:Dragic and lowry had the same things done to them. Mchale cant coach point guards. Maybe lin should have researched that and just resigned with the knicks?

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Again Dragic and Lowry had their best years under McHale... and didnt the Knicks sign Felton and iirc Kidd before they declined to match?
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Post#146 Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin
Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:14 pm by OptimusOne6

EscapoTHB wrote:Dragic and lowry had the same things done to them. Mchale cant coach point guards. Maybe lin should have researched that and just resigned with the knicks?

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Lin thought and wanted the Knicks would match because at the time the Knicks said that they were willing to match anything.

I think when Lin signed that offer sheet with Houston, it was just so the Knicks could match. I don't think he actually envisioned or planned on playing for the Houston Rockets.

Lin's attempt backfired sadly.
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Post#147 Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin
Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:21 pm by Knicker23

First Melo was the problem suffocating Lin's potential... Now Harden (and Mchale?) - at what point do we start to wonder if Lin can adjust his game to play with the stars of this league?
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Post#148 Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin
Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:22 pm by GeneralNbaFan

Do you think CP3 would be enough for Lin?
Or Westbrook for Lin?
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Post#149 Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin
Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:24 pm by OptimusOne6

Knicker23 wrote:First Melo was the problem suffocating Lin's potential... Now Harden (and Mchale?) - at what point do we start to wonder if Lin can adjust his game to play with the stars of this league?

Harden and Melo are both ball-stoppers though, so they aren't just holding a player like Lin back, they are holding everyone else back.

I think Harden is doing worse to Lin than Melo is though. I actually don't think Melo did a bad job playing alongside with Lin at all, but it's obvious that Melo was butthurt and jealous that Lin was getting attention and Melo wasn't.
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Post#150 Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin
Sat Dec 15, 2012 5:38 pm by GeneralNbaFan

Plain and simple : The majority of the players play better with the ball in their hands! And Harden is the better player(ballhandler)! So Lin has to adjust!
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Post#151 Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin
Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:07 pm by CU_NY09

Knicker23 wrote:First Melo was the problem suffocating Lin's potential... Now Harden (and Mchale?) - at what point do we start to wonder if Lin can adjust his game to play with the stars of this league?


Not really. I thought Lin/Melo/STAT played well together after Woodson took over. To me the biggest issue in NY was Melo and D'antoni. D'antoni wouldn't or couldn't maximize his superstar player's strengths and Melo didn't trust D'antoni/his system. After watching all but 2 Knicks games, it's clear that coaching matters and it was a HUGE reason why the Knicks struggled so much last year.

Knicker - I read your stuff on our board, let's be honest. You know you've already started thinking and saying that Lin is the problem and he can't adjust his game. :wink:
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Post#152 Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin
Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:43 pm by gethigh

OptimusOne6 wrote:
Knicker23 wrote:First Melo was the problem suffocating Lin's potential... Now Harden (and Mchale?) - at what point do we start to wonder if Lin can adjust his game to play with the stars of this league?

Harden and Melo are both ball-stoppers though, so they aren't just holding a player like Lin back, they are holding everyone else back.


:lol: so did you just wake up from a coma and haven't watched any games of THIS season? all the cliches you spit out are so last year.
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Post#153 Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin
Sat Dec 15, 2012 6:55 pm by OptimusOne6

gethigh wrote::lol: so did you just wake up from a coma and haven't watched any games of THIS season? all the cliches you spit out are so last year.

Yes, last year is when they played together but I don't think they were a bad matchup. I thought Melo actually made a good attempt to adjust his game for Lin when he came back but they just didn't play well under D'Antoni. They played much better under Woodson and they were 6-1 with Lin and Woodson.

It just goes to show you that the coaching has more to do with it than the players.

GeneralNbaFan wrote:Plain and simple : The majority of the players play better with the ball in their hands! And Harden is the better player(ballhandler)! So Lin has to adjust!

Harden is a better shooter, better shooters are better than non-shooters at playing without the ball. And no, Harden is not a better ball-handler considering how Harden is the league leader in turnovers.
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Post#154 Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin
Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:15 pm by Mr. E

One thing that OptimusOne6 and I have in common is frustration with the current situation. We are just coming at it from different angles. Me from the Rockets side, him from the Lin fan side.

I want Lin to succeed, and I want him to do it in a Rockets uniform. I am (according to some) annoyingly optimistic about the 713 Backcourt gelling and becoming something special in this league. We've seen flashes of it, but nothing consistent. The fact of the matter is that right now Harden is the Rockets best hope to win...but they can't keep putting those workhorse minutes on him. He needs to figure out how to play better with another ball-handler like Lin.

Lin, for his part, needs to stop being so damned submissive while he's out there. My great hope for him is to develop into the facilitator that I think that he can be, but he needs to be much more assertive than he has shown. He does not need to come off of the bench - he needs to find that backcourt balance that seemed to flow so naturally in the first two games of this season.

The wrong thing for the Rockets is to approach the 713 backcourt as a Lin or Harden situation...it is a Lin AND Harden situation. They will have to figure it out as they almost definitely going to be teammates for at least the next three years. Any thought of trading one or the other is highly unlikely. Their best chance to succeed is to be patient and figure it out.

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Post#155 Re: The Rockets should just trade Lin
Sat Dec 15, 2012 7:40 pm by CU_NY09

Mr. E wrote:One thing that OptimusOne6 and I have in common is frustration with the current situation. We are just coming at it from different angles. Me from the Rockets side, him from the Lin fan side.

I want Lin to succeed, and I want him to do it in a Rockets uniform. I am (according to some) annoyingly optimistic about the 713 Backcourt gelling and becoming something special in this league. We've seen flashes of it, but nothing consistent. The fact of the matter is that right now Harden is the Rockets best hope to win...but they can't keep putting those workhorse minutes on him. He needs to figure out how to play better with another ball-handler like Lin.

Lin, for his part, needs to stop being so damned submissive while he's out there. My great hope for him is to develop into the facilitator that I think that he can be, but he needs to be much more assertive than he has shown. He does not need to come off of the bench - he needs to find that backcourt balance that seemed to flow so naturally in the first two games of this season.

The wrong thing for the Rockets is to approach the 713 backcourt as a Lin or Harden situation...it is a Lin AND Harden situation. They will have to figure it out as they almost definitely going to be teammates for at least the next three years. Any thought of trading one or the other is highly unlikely. Their best chance to succeed is to be patient and figure it out.


I appreciate your input. As an outsider looking in, he seems to be doing a decent job of faciliating...when he's given the opportunity. From the games that I watched, he shares quite a bit of the facilitating with the other players, not just Harden. I agree that he needs to stop passing up open shots/lanes though.

Maybe your system is designed to operate without using a PG as much? I'm going off of TD's days in NY but to me, he's not a high bbiq player, has subpar court vision, and couldn't(didn't) direct an offense. When given the opportunity to take a shot, he could & would and he gave effort on D.
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