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Post#101 Re: Race to the MVP pt. III
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:56 am by Krodis

Harden's averaging 29.4/5/4 on .650~ TS% over his last 16 games, not counting tonight (which will help a tiny bit).
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Post#102 Re: Race to the MVP pt. III
Wed Jan 9, 2013 4:11 am by fallacy

The Thunder have actually gotten better (or atleast 100% maintained) so far after losing a possible top 5 MVP candidate? Durant is clearly the MVP then
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Post#103 Re: Race to the MVP pt. III
Wed Jan 9, 2013 4:29 am by ROballer

PCProductions wrote:Lebron in the lead for me due to his competition falling from their hot starts (looking at Melo).



Talking about stats or team record?

Because the Heat are 3-4 in the last 7 games with 2 of their victories coming in OT against the struggling Mavs and Orlando(with losses to Chicago,Indiana,Milwaukee and Detroit)

They better snap out of the funk on the upcoming west road trip because the way they are playing,they can lose grip to the Clippers and OKC
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Post#104 Re: Race to the MVP pt. III
Wed Jan 9, 2013 6:02 am by TwentyOne920

ROballer wrote:
PCProductions wrote:Lebron in the lead for me due to his competition falling from their hot starts (looking at Melo).



Talking about stats or team record?

Because the Heat are 3-4 in the last 7 games with 2 of their victories coming in OT against the struggling Mavs and Orlando(with losses to Chicago,Indiana,Milwaukee and Detroit)

They better snap out of the funk on the upcoming west road trip because the way they are playing,they can lose grip to the Clippers and OKC


What's amusing is that LeBron is still putting up good numbers (save a 7 turnover performance against Indiana, but they're the best defensive team in the league).

It's the supporting cast that has to step up. Wade and Bosh are playing decently but Allen has gone AWOL and so has Battier.
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Post#105 Re: Race to the MVP pt. III
Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:07 am by GaryCarterFan

theokie wrote:Its really not a hard concept to grasp guys. Its just silly to argue how bad your teammates are when in fact thats not the case, and if it was then they wouldnt be a contender for the title. They are 2nd in the East. They have a chance.

Why does Dirk in 2010 matter? He didnt win the MVP either. That and Carmelo isn't even close to Dirks level. Clearly Dirk had talent around him too, look what happened last year without those guys.


Just show me a post from before the season where you talked about how good Melo's teammates were and I'll never question a thing you say again. Without looking, I'm going to say that doesn't exist.
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Post#106 Re: Race to the MVP pt. III
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:21 pm by StopItDRose

Steph Curry should be getting more love. I mean the Warriors aren't quite a powerhouse, but with how they're doing in the stacked West... it's goin' good.
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Post#107 Re: Race to the MVP pt. III
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:27 pm by Woodsanity

Steph Curry is 6th on the MVP ladder.... Which frankly is way too high. I am not even sure he is the most valuable player on his team. What makes him more valuable than David Lee?
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Post#108 Re: Race to the MVP pt. III
Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:10 pm by fallacy

Curry is pretty far down

1. Durant
2. Lebron
3. CP3
4. Melo
5. Duncan
6. Kobe

He'd be somewhere after that. Harden might even be ahead of Kobe even though the rockets record against the west is really bad.
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Post#109 Re: Race to the MVP pt. III
Wed Jan 9, 2013 2:24 pm by JordansBulls

1. CP3
2. Durant
3. Lebron
4. Melo
5. Harden
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Post#110 Re: Race to the MVP pt. III
Wed Jan 9, 2013 2:45 pm by theokie

GaryCarterFan wrote:
theokie wrote:Its really not a hard concept to grasp guys. Its just silly to argue how bad your teammates are when in fact thats not the case, and if it was then they wouldnt be a contender for the title. They are 2nd in the East. They have a chance.

Why does Dirk in 2010 matter? He didnt win the MVP either. That and Carmelo isn't even close to Dirks level. Clearly Dirk had talent around him too, look what happened last year without those guys.


Just show me a post from before the season where you talked about how good Melo's teammates were and I'll never question a thing you say again. Without looking, I'm going to say that doesn't exist.


Don't get how that's relevant to my point. Are you trying to prove how bad the Knicks are by me saying or not saying how good his teammates are? I don't know what that will show. I've certainly praised Tyson Chandler and Jason Kidd quite often. Never been that high on Felton and I've always thought JR Smith made a great 6th man.

What exactly do you want from me? I'm just saying his teammates arent horrible. Don't know why that would bother any Knick fans. Then again that was my whole point to begin with.
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Post#111 Re: Race to the MVP pt. III
Wed Jan 9, 2013 4:43 pm by PCProductions

I was talking about the Knicks' record, not Melo's individual performance, which has been spectacular.

But, as we all know, the MVP race is highly contingent on team record, for which Knicks have been slipping.
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Post#112 Re: Race to the MVP pt. III
Wed Jan 9, 2013 11:38 pm by fallacy

Durant with a ho-hum night tonight. 26 points, 8 rebounds, 4 blocks, 3 steals, 3 assists, 10-17 fg, +21 +/- in 30+ minutes and OKC has the best record pending the LAC game tonight.
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Post#113 Re: Race to the MVP pt. III
Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:50 am by NaturalThunder

fallacy wrote:Durant with a ho-hum night tonight. 26 points, 8 rebounds, 4 blocks, 3 steals, 3 assists, 10-17 fg, +21 +/- in 30+ minutes and OKC has the best record pending the LAC game tonight.

Sixth game this year he's had at least 2 steals and 2 blocks in the same game, and eighth game with 3+ blocks. I know steals and blocks don't always mean someone is a good defender, and Durant has had his moments this year where he's been a bad defender, but he's definitely much better this year than ever before. He's got 2.0 DWS which is tied for 9th in the league. Couple that with him leading the league in OWS and he's having a very good two-way season. I know win-shares can be a little misleading, but you can't ignore how effective and important he's been for OKC on both ends of the floor.
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Once again disappears in the 4th. On paper it looks like he played good, but he wasn't anything great. When defenses get tighter Durant gets exposed. He can't do much besides shoot jumpers.
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Post#114 Re: Race to the MVP pt. III
Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:02 am by theokie

Clippers and Thunder are both 3.5 and 3 games ahead of the Heat respectively. Ive said all along that in order to win the MVP, OKC needs to have a comfortable lead over Miami record wise. I think the same standard goes for CP3.

Right now its a 3 man race in my opinion. If either the Clippers or Thunder win the West, and at the same time post a better record by 4 or 5 games over the Heat, I think that'd be enough for either Durant or Paul to take the MVP this year.

Although a lot still depends on the stats, but realistically there won't be that much of a fluctuation in their numbers from here on out. Durant winning a 4th consecutive scoring title would help his stock a lot. The head to head match ups could play a significant role in spinning the media hype as well.
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Post#115 Re: Race to the MVP pt. III
Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:03 am by illastrate

And CP3 with a ho hum 19pts/16asts/5rebs/2stls on 8/13 fg vs Mavs.
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Post#116 Re: Race to the MVP pt. III
Thu Jan 10, 2013 12:14 pm by jc23

Alot of times the guy that was runner up the previous year will win the MVP the next season. So i still say since its hard to win b2b anything in the NBA that Durant will get it unless the thunder take a tumble in the standings.

Right now the only guy who can steal it away from durant is cp3 imo.
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Post#117 Re: Race to the MVP pt. III
Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:02 pm by mj234eva

fallacy wrote:6. Kobe

He'd be somewhere after that. Harden might even be ahead of Kobe even though the rockets record against the west is really bad.


Yea, the Lakers record vs the West is sooo much better...
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Post#118 Re: Race to the MVP pt. III
Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:44 pm by Al Swearengen

I hope none of the people that are putting Paul above Lebron are the same people who complained about Rose winning over Lebron.
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Post#119 Re: Race to the MVP pt. III
Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:29 pm by PCProductions

Al Swearengen wrote:I hope none of the people that are putting Paul above Lebron are the same people who complained about Rose winning over Lebron.


Good point.
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Post#120 Re: Race to the MVP pt. III
Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:33 pm by NYK_89

PCProductions wrote:I was talking about the Knicks' record, not Melo's individual performance, which has been spectacular.

But, as we all know, the MVP race is highly contingent on team record, for which Knicks have been slipping.

Yeah but if they can recover the fact that a lot of these games were lost without melo will help him... unless he keeps missing stupid games like this
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