Race to the MVP pt. III

[GR] · Post #21 » by **[GR]** » Sun Jan 6, 2013 10:52 pm

Melo is doing far more, with way less than those other guys.

LikeABosh · Post #22 » by **LikeABosh** » Sun Jan 6, 2013 11:02 pm

[GR] wrote:Melo is doing far more

Go on

arifgokcen · Post #23 » by **arifgokcen** » Sun Jan 6, 2013 11:26 pm

[GR] wrote:Melo is doing far more, with way less than those other guys.

In what way please explain.

RJM · Post #24 » by **RJM** » Sun Jan 6, 2013 11:40 pm

This might be the year Chris Paul wins his first MVP. I'd be fine with it, to be honest with you. He came close in 2008, and should get it this year if LeBron doesn't win 60.

[GR] · Post #25 » by **[GR]** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 12:18 am

arifgokcen wrote:
[GR] wrote:Melo is doing far more, with way less than those other guys.

In what way please explain.

The fact that every other guy in contention has better talent? Everyone else has a top 10 or top 15 player on their team. (In Lebron's case, he has 2.)

Plus, what is the argument for Cp3 this year, rather than last? He was even more important last year, since he was the catalyst for the turnaround. This year, they have a deeper team, with more talent.

LikeABosh · Post #26 » by **LikeABosh** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 12:23 am

[GR] wrote:
arifgokcen wrote:
[GR] wrote:Melo is doing far more, with way less than those other guys.

In what way please explain.

The fact that every other guy in contention has better talent? Everyone else has a top 10 or top 15 player on their team. (In Lebron's case, he has 2.)

Plus, what is the argument for Cp3 this year, rather than last? He was even more important last year, since he was the catalyst for the turnaround. This year, they have a deeper team, with more talent.

You're still not explaining what Melo is doing more of than lebron or durant or Cp3

TheKingOfVa360 · Post #27 » by **TheKingOfVa360** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 12:39 am

1. Bron
2. Durant
3. Melo
4. CP3
5. Kobe

Woodsanity · Post #28 » by **Woodsanity** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 12:52 am

[GR] wrote:
arifgokcen wrote:
[GR] wrote:Melo is doing far more, with way less than those other guys.

In what way please explain.

The fact that every other guy in contention has better talent? Everyone else has a top 10 or top 15 player on their team. (In Lebron's case, he has 2.)

Plus, what is the argument for Cp3 this year, rather than last? He was even more important last year, since he was the catalyst for the turnaround. This year, they have a deeper team, with more talent.

Clippers were 5th seed last season and 2nd seed this season. Pretty big difference.

Protoss · Post #29 » by **Protoss** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 1:48 am

1. LBJ
2. KD
3. CP3
4. Melo

But it's pretty obvious that the Heat are not playing championship-level basketball. They have three key contributors shooting very poorly (Chalmers, Battier, and Cole). Miami will get 60+ points from the usual guys but can the others put up 35+ points on maybe 30 shots? Luckily, Miami plays in the East and will basically first-round bye (Although conferences don't usually matter to elite teams. The Heat and LBJ-Cavalier teams have had more success vs. the west). Fortunate to only have to play one of OKC, MEM, LAC, and SAS.

airchibundo507 · Post #30 » by **airchibundo507** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 3:07 am

17/9 for Paul aren't MVP numbers, I'm sorry.

Durant
LeBron
Melo (and if it weren't for injuries, Melo would be a unanimous top 2 candidate)
Paul

Woodsanity · Post #31 » by **Woodsanity** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 3:29 am

airchibundo507 wrote:17/9 for Paul aren't MVP numbers, I'm sorry.

Durant
LeBron
Melo (and if it weren't for injuries, Melo would be a unanimous top 2 candidate)
Paul

Melo unanimous top 2 candidate if not for injuries? Laughable at best. Durant and Lebron are putting up better numbers with better records.

Paul is putting up 17/9 due to low minutes. As great as Melo is he is by far the most one dimensional player in that group. Still a poor defender despite people saying he has turned over a new leaf defensively and all those missed games hurt him.

airchibundo507 · Post #32 » by **airchibundo507** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 3:36 am

Woodsanity wrote:
airchibundo507 wrote:17/9 for Paul aren't MVP numbers, I'm sorry.

Durant
LeBron
Melo (and if it weren't for injuries, Melo would be a unanimous top 2 candidate)
Paul

Melo unanimous top 2 candidate if not for injuries? Laughable at best. Durant and Lebron are putting up better numbers with better records.

that's the thing.. the Knicks are 20-7 with Melo (3-3 without him). Had Melo played those six games, the Knicks would likely be at 24-9 or even 25-8, elevating them above Miami in the standings. Remember when Melo had 30 points in 23 minutes against the Lakers and Howard took him out of the game with an injury? Had he erupted for 40-50 points that game, which he was more than capable of, he would probably be averaging over 30 ppg right now.

So his injuries have hurt his stats and team record, both of which are important criteria for MVP candidacy.

Hero · Post #33 » by **Hero** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 4:32 am

airchibundo507 wrote:17/9 for Paul aren't MVP numbers, I'm sorry.

Durant
LeBron
Melo (and if it weren't for injuries, Melo would be a unanimous top 2 candidate)
Paul

Story is really important and after he got jobbed for Kobe....
It does depend how much the media likes CP leading the Clips to best/2nd best record.

Mr. Crowley · Post #34 » by **Mr. Crowley** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 4:34 am

LeBron
Durant
Paul

The rest

jc23 · Post #35 » by **jc23** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 7:43 am

airchibundo507 wrote:
Woodsanity wrote:
airchibundo507 wrote:17/9 for Paul aren't MVP numbers, I'm sorry.

Durant
LeBron
Melo (and if it weren't for injuries, Melo would be a unanimous top 2 candidate)
Paul

Melo unanimous top 2 candidate if not for injuries? Laughable at best. Durant and Lebron are putting up better numbers with better records.

that's the thing.. the Knicks are 20-7 with Melo (3-3 without him). Had Melo played those six games, the Knicks would likely be at 24-9 or even 25-8, elevating them above Miami in the standings. Remember when Melo had 30 points in 23 minutes against the Lakers and Howard took him out of the game with an injury? Had he erupted for 40-50 points that game, which he was more than capable of, he would probably be averaging over 30 ppg right now.

So his injuries have hurt his stats and team record, both of which are important criteria for MVP candidacy.

You cant take away from the other guys just cause they have been healthier then melo this season.

Post #36 » by **kingkirk** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 9:16 am

I honestly don't get the hype about CP3 in these threads, to the point where people have him at the top.

He is top 3, but i will be damn pissed if he wins MVP whilst KD is putting up numbers on absurd efficiency and Lebron fills it up at his usual rate.

Dupp · Post #37 » by **Dupp** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 9:26 am

I agree but i think a lot of advanced stats favor Paul. At least they put him up with the other two. You could argue he has a similar impact to the other two but his general numbers just aren't up to par in comparison.

I think the voters are more likely to favor basic stats rather than advanced ones like PER, win share etc. Given the disparity in numbers between paul and the other two id say the clippers would really have to run away with the leagues best record for cp3 to win and deserve mvp.

To me its a two horse race.

youngibaka · Post #38 » by **youngibaka** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 9:32 am

KingCuban wrote:I honestly don't get the hype about CP3 in these threads, to the point where people have him at the top.

He is top 3, but i will be damn pissed if he wins MVP whilst KD is putting up numbers on absurd efficiency and Lebron fills it up at his usual rate.

Exactly, CP3 has no argument to be the frontrunner. IMHO Durant will get it unless Lebron's defense achieves all-defensive team level and Miami tops the east standings

Post #39 » by **kingkirk** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 9:33 am

Where do people rate this year for CP3 in comparison to his other seasons?

Its no where near as good as 07-09 years, where he was incredible.

He is top 3, but no one will convince me he should win it, especially if the Clippers remain 2nd out West.

Dupp · Post #40 » by **Dupp** » Mon Jan 7, 2013 9:46 am

Hes probably playing his best ball bar 08 (i think it was when he was runner up to kobe in mvp) His numbers arent as good compared to some other years but that's got a lot to do with having such a great cast and he doesnt have to do as much.

His 9 assists don't truly indicate the impact he has as a play maker. He is unquestionably the best in the league in that regard.