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Post#106 Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay
Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:22 pm by WhamBamSlamm

Simba248 wrote:Trade makes a whole lot of sense for the Grizzles. They lose a little wing athleticism but they add a equally, if not better defensive player, and the main thing is they can space the floor a lot better with his three point shooting (which is much needed when you have Z Bo and Gasol occupying so much room in the paint).

Not sure what direction the Suns are going though. He isnt really worth the cap hit. You're basically saying that you're going to build around him if you make the trade. And isn't even close to being an all-star let alone a franchise player.


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Post#107 Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay
Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:24 pm by The Regime

It's Rudy Gay, not Kevin Durant.
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Post#108 Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay
Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:26 pm by WhamBamSlamm

Simba248 wrote:It's Rudy Gay, not Kevin Durant.


that's the point. It's not a superstar the Suns are willing to give up solid assets such as Dudley and picks for, if it were a superstar Suns fans would not be heavily against it. The Suns FO knows that they are on the last year of their deals, and Sarver sees all the empty seats and lack of care given about his team in the Phoenix-area, that he is willing to "make a run at the 8th seed" by getting a good player with a terrible contract just to act like they are doing something for the casuals.

Typical no-direction, threadmill, no hope Suns move...
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Post#109 Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay
Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:27 pm by sunskerr

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Post#110 Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay
Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:32 pm by Marvin Martian

Dudley plays lot of minutes on one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA, Gay plays of lot of minutes on THE best defensive team in the NBA.

I'd say Gay is the better defender.
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Post#111 Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay
Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:35 pm by The Regime

Marvin Martian wrote:Dudley plays lot of minutes on one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA, Gay plays of lot of minutes on THE best defensive team in the NBA.

I'd say Gay is the better defender.


That's the worst logic I've ever heard.
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Post#112 Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay
Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:36 pm by WhamBamSlamm

Marvin Martian wrote:Dudley plays lot of minutes on one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA, Gay plays of lot of minutes on THE best defensive team in the NBA.

I'd say Gay is the better defender.


Anyone saying Gay is the better defender, hell player is out of their mind. But what many people are saying is that Gay is not $12m better than Dudley, especially for a Suns team that currently has no direction but mediocrity and that Gay would just make worse in that regard.
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Post#113 Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay
Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:41 pm by Mk0

Who is the idiot in charge of the Suns? Unless they dump SuperCoolBeas they are making a big mistake. You don't take on Rudy's contract without dumping your own garbage.
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Post#114 Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay
Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:43 pm by Mk0

Jodi wrote:A lot of people here are either young or just dumb...Gay>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dudley, it's not even close...Dudley is a role player that shouldn't even be starting while Gay is top 5 SF in the league...Lets get serious...


In regards to Nerlens Noel being traded on draft night for Jrue Holiday.
Ax2SG wrote:How in hell is Noel involved in a trade that neither team has a top 3 pick? What if Cleveland drafts Noel with the 1st?

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Post#115 Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay
Tue Jan 8, 2013 8:23 pm by Marvin Martian

WhamBamSlamm wrote:
Marvin Martian wrote:Dudley plays lot of minutes on one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA, Gay plays of lot of minutes on THE best defensive team in the NBA.

I'd say Gay is the better defender.


Anyone saying Gay is the better defender, hell player is out of their mind. But what many people are saying is that Gay is not $12m better than Dudley, especially for a Suns team that currently has no direction but mediocrity and that Gay would just make worse in that regard.


In that case i agree, but I seriously disagree with the claim that Dudley is a better player than Gay. People need to stop championing role players. This reminds me of the time Kobe got hurt at the end of last season and all of the Lakers stats from offense to defense went up. Does that mean that the Lakers are better off without Kobe?
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Post#116 Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay
Tue Jan 8, 2013 8:25 pm by YFZblu

I don't really know where the Suns are going with this. Random note: Only one player (Dragic) on the Suns is playing 32MPG, and that's the highest on the team. Gentry and co. are really annoying me with this. The Suns aren't talented enough to share the minutes like that....ugh I digress.
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Post#117 Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay
Tue Jan 8, 2013 8:48 pm by ferk

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Jodi wrote:If Rudy Gay is traded to a team like the Suns, Kings, or any lottery team he would average over 20pts game...The Grizzlies system doesn't fit Rudy that's why he hasn't shown any growth...


This is complete and utter nonsense. The Grizzlies have been BUILDING AROUND GAY since they drafted him! He's had a green light to shoot whatever and whenever hewants since the first time he put on a Grizzlies uniform. Don't give me that "oh he'd average a ton more if he was on some other team" garbage argument. There's zero evidence to prove it.


You don't get it Rudy gay has had better seasons already!
He's only 26 he can still improve infact he has improved this year. Ye sgtarted real bad!

He is not the same player he's always been he's having a down year.
You also this Demar is better than Rudy
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Post#118 Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay
Tue Jan 8, 2013 10:41 pm by Jodi

The J Rocka wrote:
Blkbrd671 wrote:if all there looking for is dudley, detroit offers Tay prince

Dudley is a wayyy better option than Prince.

I come home from the weight room and this is what I see... :noway: Blkbrd, I think I'm done here...
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Post#119 Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay
Tue Jan 8, 2013 10:45 pm by ComboGuardCity

Based on the GB, it looks like a package of Jared Dudley and Avery Bradley could land Lebron...he is a decent role player. The Griz might as well go Afflalo.
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Post#120 Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay
Tue Jan 8, 2013 10:53 pm by ClayDavis

YFZblu wrote:I don't really know where the Suns are going with this. Random note: Only one player (Dragic) on the Suns is playing 32MPG, and that's the highest on the team. Gentry and co. are really annoying me with this. The Suns aren't talented enough to share the minutes like that....ugh I digress.


i think they cant beg people to sign there so maybe they just want to do it via trade
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Post#121 Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:40 am by mid-post

DusterBuster wrote:
Jodi wrote:If Rudy Gay is traded to a team like the Suns, Kings, or any lottery team he would average over 20pts game...The Grizzlies system doesn't fit Rudy that's why he hasn't shown any growth...


This is complete and utter nonsense. The Grizzlies have been BUILDING AROUND GAY since they drafted him! He's had a green light to shoot whatever and whenever he wants since the first time he put on a Grizzlies uniform. Don't give me that "oh he'd average a ton more if he was on some other team" garbage argument. There's zero evidence to prove it.


Actually this team hasn't been about building around Rudy since OJ was given the green light. His USG% has never been all that high either, certainly not for a guy they've supposedly been building around. And ever since ZBo (and Gasol) have emerged, he's deferred. But keep making up assinine assertions as though you actually know what you're talking about when you obviously don't. Since this is the general board and all.

Also, people saying Batum is better than Gay are just being foolish. You can argue value for sure, but to say Batum is better is just...stupid. The career numbers speak for themselves (even if the eye test isn't good enough for those of you who substitute watching games with basketballreference.com).

It makes zero sense for Memphis to trade Gay when he's bottoming out in what is a career low shooting slump. He's still defending well, rebounding pretty well and generally trying out there, but clearly he's not feeling good about his game. I don't think Memphis trades him at his low point before they even see how the playoffs pan out. This whole idea seems completely made up and/or a way to see what kind of value they might be able to get if they do have to blow it up after this season.
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Post#122 Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay
Wed Jan 9, 2013 4:23 am by Bskey

mid-post wrote:Also, people saying Batum is better than Gay are just being foolish. You can argue value for sure, but to say Batum is better is just...stupid. The career numbers speak for themselves (even if the eye test isn't good enough for those of you who substitute watching games with basketballreference.com).


Come on now. You reference career numbers and then take a jab at stat heads in the same sentence. Batum has had a more efficient career than Gay, is that a big enough sample size?

Gay is a slightly better defensive rebounder and gets to the line a bit more. He also has .3 more steals and .1 less fouls. That's really it. Batum blows him away in offensive efficiency and is the superior player. It's not that hard to see once you get over the fact that Gay is a good player, but not a star.

What does the eye test show that the stats don't in this case? Gay is better at creating his own shot, but Batum has hit his share of clutch shots and game winners so lets not pretend that Gay being a "go to" guy is put in situations other players aren't.
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Post#123 Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay
Wed Jan 9, 2013 10:07 am by mid-post

Bskey wrote:Come on now. You reference career numbers and then take a jab at stat heads in the same sentence. Batum has had a more efficient career than Gay, is that a big enough sample size?

I'm not going to do the numbers game because they play two totally different roles...but Gay has a higher career PER.

Gay is a slightly better defensive rebounder and gets to the line a bit more. He also has .3 more steals and .1 less fouls. That's really it. Batum blows him away in offensive efficiency and is the superior player. It's not that hard to see once you get over the fact that Gay is a good player, but not a star.


Batum's been a role player his whole damn career. He's good at it, but there's a reason he's a role player. And Rudy being/not being a star has nothing to do with that fact.

What does the eye test show that the stats don't in this case? Gay is better at creating his own shot, but Batum has hit his share of clutch shots and game winners so lets not pretend that Gay being a "go to" guy is put in situations other players aren't.

Yeah, and it's a lot harder to carry a team than it is being a role player on a team with established stars. Gay has clearly done that (although not that well) and I really doubt the same could be said for Batum. Why? Because Batum is obviously a role player, just watch him play. He's a poor man's Luol Deng. Not a knock on Deng either, just pointing out the fact that it's a lot easier to be "efficient" when teams aren't keying in on you.

Gay is a better player than Batum, and people saying "lol, Batum is way better than Gay" don't know what they're talking about. Again, you want to talk about contract value, that's a whole different subject.
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Post#124 Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay
Wed Jan 9, 2013 11:04 am by StopItDRose

As a Bulls fan, I would love to acquire Gay for a 2nd round pick >_>
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Post#125 Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay
Wed Jan 9, 2013 11:33 am by brick_wall_55

Gay definitely has that "takeover" factor that Batum lacks; with Batum it's almost like he goes on streaks of possessions where he just anchors at the 3 point line and doesn't assert himself offensively. He was scoring a TON at the start of the year but now has refocused and become more of a point-forward. Batum is a better distributor by a mile, IMO a slightly better defender, and rebounding is comparable. What evens it out for me is Gay's scoring. I'm confident that Rudy will get back to what he was in previous years.

To be honest, they've both been in "shooting slumps" this year compared to previous seasons, both career 45% type guys shooting 41%. Legitimate cases can be made for both players being top 30 or better, especially since this is honestly the worst streak of Gay's career and I cannot imagine him ever sinking further toward rock bottom than where he is right now.
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