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Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay 

Post#91 » by BubbaTee » Tue Jan 8, 2013 11:25 pm

Jodi wrote:Batum is no where near better than Gay...Both Batum and Gay FG% are similar and Gay PPG is higher and he plays less minutes...


Gay's PPG is higher because he jacks up 17 shots a game.

In addition, Batum has never played a full health season since he's been in the league...


:-?

Batum played 79 games as a rookie and 80 games in 2010-11. Those both look like pretty healthy seasons to me.

Unless the standard for "full health" is playing all 82 - in which case Rudy Gay has never played a full health season either.

Jodi wrote:Why do I need to make an argument when the stats speak for there self?


TS%
Batum 57.3
Gay 48.4

eFG%
Batum 52.3
Gay 43.9

PER
Batum 17.9
Gay 14.9

WS/48
Batum .130
Gay .103

Off-Def Rating
Batum 112-107 (+5)
Gay 99-99 (+0)

Jodi wrote:Why do I need to make an argument when the stats speak for there self?


They certainly do...
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Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay 

Post#92 » by Bskey » Tue Jan 8, 2013 11:27 pm

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Bskey wrote:
Now if you really want to get into it, you can look at advanced stats. Which start to favor Batum even more. Given that he's also younger than Gay, yeah I would take Batum HAPPILY over Gay even if salary wasn't an issue.


small sample size on Batum. Why not use two full seasons?

Using your logic you'd think that Lin justified his contract.


We could factor in last season where Batum was also more efficient if you want.

EDIT: Anyway, I will stop. This thread is about the trade which I think would be horrible for Phoenix. I do NOT think Gay is a bad player, he is just not worth that contract.
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Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay 

Post#93 » by Rubberduck » Tue Jan 8, 2013 11:27 pm

Again small sample size, post those of atleast two full seasons
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Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay 

Post#94 » by BubbaTee » Tue Jan 8, 2013 11:30 pm

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Bskey wrote:I still have no idea how Gay built up this reputation he seems to have as a star player.

He averaged 20 PPG his second year in the league.

Here's the complete list of guys that have done that in the past 10 years:
LeBron James
Blake Griffin
Dwyane Wade
Kyrie Irving
Kevin Durant
Amare Stoudemire
Derrick Rose
Carmelo Anthony
Rudy Gay

Starting to get it now? Gay isn't bad, but he is probably the worst starter on the grizz. If they can get Dudley + the Pho 1st I'd do it in an instant


All of those guys had better seasons after averaging 20ppg in their 2nd year. All of them except one.... care to take a guess which?


Rookies who averaged 20/5/5
Oscar Robertson
Michael Jordan
Lebron James
Tyreke Evans

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Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay 

Post#95 » by Jodi » Tue Jan 8, 2013 11:32 pm

BubbaTee wrote:
Jodi wrote:Batum is no where near better than Gay...Both Batum and Gay FG% are similar and Gay PPG is higher and he plays less minutes...


Gay's PPG is higher because he jacks up 17 shots a game.

In addition, Batum has never played a full health season since he's been in the league...


:-?

Batum played 79 games as a rookie and 80 games in 2010-11. Those both look like pretty healthy seasons to me.

Unless the standard for "full health" is playing all 82 - in which case Rudy Gay has never played a full health season either.

Jodi wrote:Why do I need to make an argument when the stats speak for there self?


TS%
Batum 57.3
Gay 48.4

eFG%
Batum 52.3
Gay 43.9

PER
Batum 17.9
Gay 14.9

WS/48
Batum .130
Gay .103

Off-Def Rating
Batum 112-107 (+5)
Gay 99-99 (+0)

Jodi wrote:Why do I need to make an argument when the stats speak for there self?


They certainly do...

Touche' Mr. Tee...
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Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay 

Post#96 » by orange_juice32 » Tue Jan 8, 2013 11:33 pm

huskerdu wrote:Batum is much much much better than Gay. No question.

If Rudy Gay played in the 2011 playoffs, the Grizzlies would have lost that series. Not one GM in this entire league would turn down a Gay for Batum trade. Not one.


Whenever you make a post about the Grizzlies it's always good for a laugh. That series would have ended in 4 if Rudy was available.
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Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay 

Post#97 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jan 8, 2013 11:34 pm

Jodi wrote:If Rudy Gay is traded to a team like the Suns, Kings, or any lottery team he would average over 20pts game...The Grizzlies system doesn't fit Rudy that's why he hasn't shown any growth...


This is complete and utter nonsense. The Grizzlies have been BUILDING AROUND GAY since they drafted him! He's had a green light to shoot whatever and whenever he wants since the first time he put on a Grizzlies uniform. Don't give me that "oh he'd average a ton more if he was on some other team" garbage argument. There's zero evidence to prove it.
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Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay 

Post#98 » by DusterBuster » Tue Jan 8, 2013 11:35 pm

BubbaTee wrote:
Rookies who averaged 20/5/5
Oscar Robertson
Michael Jordan
Lebron James
Tyreke Evans



My point exactly.
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Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay 

Post#99 » by Jodi » Tue Jan 8, 2013 11:36 pm

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Jodi wrote:If Rudy Gay is traded to a team like the Suns, Kings, or any lottery team he would average over 20pts game...The Grizzlies system doesn't fit Rudy that's why he hasn't shown any growth...


This is complete and utter nonsense. The Grizzlies have been BUILDING AROUND GAY since they drafted him! He's had a green light to shoot whatever and whenever he wants since the first time he put on a Grizzlies uniform. Don't give me that "oh he'd average a ton more if he was on some other team" garbage argument. There's zero evidence to prove it.

Watch the evidence when he's on a new team...Hopefully my Pistons... :wink:
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Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay 

Post#100 » by DetroitSho » Tue Jan 8, 2013 11:47 pm

BubbaTee wrote:
Jodi wrote:Lets forget the players salaries for a second...I respect your opinion but your crazy if you would take Batum or Pierce over Gay...
Lebron
Durant
Melo
Josh Smith(if you consider him a SF)
Gay
Pierce


Batum wouldn't take 100 more shots than Zach Randolph in 30 games, even though he's only shooting 40%. Rudy Gay is doing that right now.

Batum wouldn't have as many turnovers as he does assists. Rudy Gay is doing that right now.

The Grizz have 2 potent inside weapons, they don't need a SF playing inefficient hero-ball on the perimeter.

I shamefully admit, the Pistons kinda DO need this. At times these guys play hot potato with the ball and don't want to shoot it. If I have to watch Tayshaun pumpfake another wideopen kick out and then pass to someone in a worse shooting position with 2 seconds left on the clock I'm gonna flip. I wouldn't mind someone that ain't afraid to shoot as long as he can reign in some of the bad shots.
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Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay 

Post#101 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:06 am

if all there looking for is dudley, detroit offers Tay prince
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Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay 

Post#102 » by Blkbrd671 » Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:10 am

DusterBuster wrote:
Jodi wrote:If Rudy Gay is traded to a team like the Suns, Kings, or any lottery team he would average over 20pts game...The Grizzlies system doesn't fit Rudy that's why he hasn't shown any growth...


This is complete and utter nonsense. The Grizzlies have been BUILDING AROUND GAY since they drafted him! He's had a green light to shoot whatever and whenever he wants since the first time he put on a Grizzlies uniform. Don't give me that "oh he'd average a ton more if he was on some other team" garbage argument. There's zero evidence to prove it.

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Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay 

Post#103 » by The J Rocka » Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:13 am

Blkbrd671 wrote:if all there looking for is dudley, detroit offers Tay prince

Dudley is a wayyy better option than Prince.
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Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay 

Post#104 » by WhamBamSlamm » Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:19 am

Looks like Sarver and Babby/Blanks are seeing the fire sale that is about to come in Milwaukee and wants to make sure their Suns are the top of the list in regards to "threadmill teams" and compete for their beloved 8th seed maybe this year and forever.

Pathetic.
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Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay 

Post#105 » by The Regime » Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:19 am

Trade makes a whole lot of sense for the Grizzles. They lose a little wing athleticism but they add a equally, if not better defensive player, and the main thing is they can space the floor a lot better with his three point shooting (which is much needed when you have Z Bo and Gasol occupying so much room in the paint).

Not sure what direction the Suns are going though. He isnt really worth the cap hit. You're basically saying that you're going to build around him if you make the trade. And isn't even close to being an all-star let alone a franchise player.
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Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay 

Post#106 » by WhamBamSlamm » Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:22 am

Simba248 wrote:Trade makes a whole lot of sense for the Grizzles. They lose a little wing athleticism but they add a equally, if not better defensive player, and the main thing is they can space the floor a lot better with his three point shooting (which is much needed when you have Z Bo and Gasol occupying so much room in the paint).

Not sure what direction the Suns are going though. He isnt really worth the cap hit. You're basically saying that you're going to build around him if you make the trade. And isn't even close to being an all-star let alone a franchise player.


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Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay 

Post#107 » by The Regime » Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:24 am

It's Rudy Gay, not Kevin Durant.
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Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay 

Post#108 » by WhamBamSlamm » Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:26 am

Simba248 wrote:It's Rudy Gay, not Kevin Durant.


that's the point. It's not a superstar the Suns are willing to give up solid assets such as Dudley and picks for, if it were a superstar Suns fans would not be heavily against it. The Suns FO knows that they are on the last year of their deals, and Sarver sees all the empty seats and lack of care given about his team in the Phoenix-area, that he is willing to "make a run at the 8th seed" by getting a good player with a terrible contract just to act like they are doing something for the casuals.

Typical no-direction, threadmill, no hope Suns move...
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Re: Woj: Phoenix in talks to acquire Rudy Gay 

Post#110 » by Marvin Martian » Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:32 am

Dudley plays lot of minutes on one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA, Gay plays of lot of minutes on THE best defensive team in the NBA.

I'd say Gay is the better defender.

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