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Post#16 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 6:52 pm by Krodis

pipfan wrote:Atl-Jsmith-maybe-this one is close

... Really now?
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Post#17 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 6:54 pm by nuposse04

Pretty sure Nene plays the 4 for us...
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Post#18 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 6:56 pm by NYK_89

pretty simple to answer the main question beyond how much i feel Boozer is below plenty of traditional 4s
Carmelo is CLEARLY #1 if he is excluded bosh/garnett are the answer... Otherwise J Smith is clearly better
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Post#19 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 6:59 pm by ChiCitySPORTS#1

Boozers good. But he still sucks.
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Post#20 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 6:59 pm by Guzman_9

hahahaha West is better than Boozer.
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Post#21 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:04 pm by ChiCitySPORTS#1

Guzman_9 wrote:hahahaha West is better than Boozer.


Not a chance
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Post#22 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:04 pm by Blkbrd671

i think majority of teams rather have monroe than boozer. i'd consider moose better than boozer right now, but i'm not a boozer fan
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Post#23 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:23 pm by Ctownbulls

NYK_89 wrote:Josh smith is SIGNIFICANTLY better, Id also take Amar'e in a heartbeat over him.. Just because he isnt worth 22 million does not make an overpaid 14m player better then him, also id take DWest as well now that i think about it.


Josh Smith yes.
Al Horford yes.
KG yes.
Bosh yes.

Amare? No. I mean I can admit, Boozer sucks. Amare is worse. They are equally as terrible on defense. Maybe we can call them even on rebounding but who would you trust more to score a basket in isolation or on the pick and roll? The answer is Boozer, especially considering we don't know what Amare is anymore.
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Hate to state the obvious, but boozer has made Rose play worse not better.
And Noah, Gibson and Deng have all become worse players since boozer.
He doesn't fit this team well, we need to trade him away asap.
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Post#24 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:29 pm by siydee

Ctownbulls wrote:
NYK_89 wrote:Josh smith is SIGNIFICANTLY better, Id also take Amar'e in a heartbeat over him.. Just because he isnt worth 22 million does not make an overpaid 14m player better then him, also id take DWest as well now that i think about it.


Josh Smith yes.
Al Horford yes.
KG yes.
Bosh yes.

Amare? No. I mean I can admit, Boozer sucks. Amare is worse. They are equally as terrible on defense. Maybe we can call them even on rebounding but who would you trust more to score a basket in isolation or on the pick and roll? The answer is Boozer, especially considering we don't know what Amare is anymore.


really? booz drives me nuts, but you just said amare is even with boozer in rebounding? absolutely not.
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Post#25 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:44 pm by nykballa2k4

Josh Smith and Melo are better.
Varejao, Monroe are better, but currently not playing the pf position.
The east is fairly weak at the pf position.

I personally think the best thing the Bulls could do is trade Boozer and Hamilton for Pau Gasol and Ebanks or someone similar. Noah at pf is better defensively than Noah at center.
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Post#26 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 7:45 pm by pipfan

But Horford, KG and Bosh all play center. JSmith, Bass and Haslem are the 4's for those teams

Does anyone think Boozer is better at this moment then JSmith? I am not sure-Smith seems better, but his dumb plays always bring him down. But, Boozer is a choker in the playoffs the last few years, so not sure which is worse

And West seems really slow now-I don't watch Indy much but he has fallen off a bit.
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Post#27 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 8:54 pm by giberish

pipfan wrote:Det-Monroe will be in a year or two, once Drummund starts, but not yet
Clev-Thompson looks ok but no
Milw-? they have a bunch of 4's but none are better
Indy-DWest was better, but not anymore

Miami-Haslem-no
Wash-Okafor starts at the 4 I believe, so no
Atl-Jsmith-maybe-this one is close
Orl-BBD-no
Char-who is their 4?

Bos-Bass-no
Phily-Young-no
tor-Bargs-no
NJ-Humphries-no
NY-Melo for now, so yes. Amare-no

So, is it possible that Boozer, one of the most hated on players in the league, is the best 4 in the East?


He's not even the best 4 on his team. Taj is better. Also:
Mil - Illysoava is better when he's makes some shots, as he has recently though obviously not at the beginning of the year
Clev - no
Det - no
Indy - West is clearly better at offense + defense

Bos - no
Philly - yes, Thad Young is surprisingly effective
Tor - no
NYK - yes, Melo
BK - no

Miami - LeBron mostly plays PF, so obviously yes
Wash - Nene, when healthy, is better (Okafor is a center). Nene's missed a lot of time though
Atlanta - Smith is far, far better
Orlando - no
Char - no

So 5 better PF's, with 2 more likely better with a return to health/form (Nene and Illyxova) + his own backup.
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Post#28 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 9:30 pm by Mamba Venom

Doesn't LeBron play 4 a lot now w/ Bosh at the 5.

LeBron is the best PF when he plays that spot.
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Post#29 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 9:46 pm by BIGGIEsmalls 23

giberish wrote:
pipfan wrote:Det-Monroe will be in a year or two, once Drummund starts, but not yet
Clev-Thompson looks ok but no
Milw-? they have a bunch of 4's but none are better
Indy-DWest was better, but not anymore

Miami-Haslem-no
Wash-Okafor starts at the 4 I believe, so no
Atl-Jsmith-maybe-this one is close
Orl-BBD-no
Char-who is their 4?

Bos-Bass-no
Phily-Young-no
tor-Bargs-no
NJ-Humphries-no
NY-Melo for now, so yes. Amare-no

So, is it possible that Boozer, one of the most hated on players in the league, is the best 4 in the East?


He's not even the best 4 on his team. Taj is better. Also:
Mil - Illysoava is better when he's makes some shots, as he has recently though obviously not at the beginning of the year
Clev - no
Det - no
Indy - West is clearly better at offense + defense

Bos - no
Philly - yes, Thad Young is surprisingly effective
Tor - no
NYK - yes, Melo
BK - no

Miami - LeBron mostly plays PF, so obviously yes
Wash - Nene, when healthy, is better (Okafor is a center). Nene's missed a lot of time though
Atlanta - Smith is far, far better
Orlando - no
Char - no

So 5 better PF's, with 2 more likely better with a return to health/form (Nene and Illyxova) + his own backup.

Th OP is talking about just this season's body of work.
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Post#30 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 9:59 pm by bullsnewdynasty

I am a Taj homer and even I can admit he is not better than Boozer this year. Taj has been just as inconsistent, if not more so.
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Post#31 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 10:01 pm by NYK_89

Ctownbulls wrote:
NYK_89 wrote:Josh smith is SIGNIFICANTLY better, Id also take Amar'e in a heartbeat over him.. Just because he isnt worth 22 million does not make an overpaid 14m player better then him, also id take DWest as well now that i think about it.


Josh Smith yes.
Al Horford yes.
KG yes.
Bosh yes.

Amare? No. I mean I can admit, Boozer sucks. Amare is worse. They are equally as terrible on defense. Maybe we can call them even on rebounding but who would you trust more to score a basket in isolation or on the pick and roll? The answer is Boozer, especially considering we don't know what Amare is anymore.

What? there is absolutely no basis for that, Boozer for one is clearly the better rebounder but even in the season that Amar'e had last season where he played through injury his offensive numbers are pretty clearly superior to Boozers... Also add in he did not have his jumpshot that was so good the year before last year and he looks to be a much better offensive player when healthy then boozer has any chance to be
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Post#32 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 10:03 pm by ComboGuardCity

You either include Lebron and Melo or KG and Bosh.
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Post#33 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 10:56 pm by DikembeFor3

thad young > booze
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Post#34 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 11:07 pm by pacers33granger

Boozer gets a lot of hate (mostly rightfully so) because of his contract and what the Bulls could have had that summer with the free agent crop. I haven't watched much of the Bulls this year, but he seems to be back to being relatively consistent, though not 20-10 anymore, but he is one of the primary scorers on the 5th(?) best team in the East that's missing it's star.

Even contracts aside I'd still take David West. He's been an incredible leader, makes clutch plays, and is a very good defender against most post players. Boozer is still meh at best on defense and both are on the wrong side of 30.
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Post#35 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 11:54 pm by Guzman_9

ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:
Guzman_9 wrote:hahahaha West is better than Boozer.


Not a chance


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