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Re: PF's in the East

Postby Krodis on Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:52 pm

pipfan wrote:Atl-Jsmith-maybe-this one is close

... Really now?
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Re: PF's in the East

Postby nuposse04 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:54 pm

Pretty sure Nene plays the 4 for us...
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Re: PF's in the East

Postby NYK_89 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:56 pm

pretty simple to answer the main question beyond how much i feel Boozer is below plenty of traditional 4s
Carmelo is CLEARLY #1 if he is excluded bosh/garnett are the answer... Otherwise J Smith is clearly better
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Re: PF's in the East

Postby ChiCitySPORTS#1 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:59 pm

Boozers good. But he still sucks.
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Re: PF's in the East

Postby Guzman_9 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 6:59 pm

hahahaha West is better than Boozer.
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Re: PF's in the East

Postby ChiCitySPORTS#1 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:04 pm

Guzman_9 wrote:hahahaha West is better than Boozer.


Not a chance
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Re: PF's in the East

Postby Blkbrd671 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:04 pm

i think majority of teams rather have monroe than boozer. i'd consider moose better than boozer right now, but i'm not a boozer fan
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Re: PF's in the East

Postby Ctownbulls on Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:23 pm

NYK_89 wrote:Josh smith is SIGNIFICANTLY better, Id also take Amar'e in a heartbeat over him.. Just because he isnt worth 22 million does not make an overpaid 14m player better then him, also id take DWest as well now that i think about it.


Josh Smith yes.
Al Horford yes.
KG yes.
Bosh yes.

Amare? No. I mean I can admit, Boozer sucks. Amare is worse. They are equally as terrible on defense. Maybe we can call them even on rebounding but who would you trust more to score a basket in isolation or on the pick and roll? The answer is Boozer, especially considering we don't know what Amare is anymore.
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Re: PF's in the East

Postby siydee on Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:29 pm

Ctownbulls wrote:
NYK_89 wrote:Josh smith is SIGNIFICANTLY better, Id also take Amar'e in a heartbeat over him.. Just because he isnt worth 22 million does not make an overpaid 14m player better then him, also id take DWest as well now that i think about it.


Josh Smith yes.
Al Horford yes.
KG yes.
Bosh yes.

Amare? No. I mean I can admit, Boozer sucks. Amare is worse. They are equally as terrible on defense. Maybe we can call them even on rebounding but who would you trust more to score a basket in isolation or on the pick and roll? The answer is Boozer, especially considering we don't know what Amare is anymore.


really? booz drives me nuts, but you just said amare is even with boozer in rebounding? absolutely not.
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Re: PF's in the East

Postby nykballa2k4 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:44 pm

Josh Smith and Melo are better.
Varejao, Monroe are better, but currently not playing the pf position.
The east is fairly weak at the pf position.

I personally think the best thing the Bulls could do is trade Boozer and Hamilton for Pau Gasol and Ebanks or someone similar. Noah at pf is better defensively than Noah at center.
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Re: PF's in the East

Postby pipfan on Tue Jan 08, 2013 7:45 pm

But Horford, KG and Bosh all play center. JSmith, Bass and Haslem are the 4's for those teams

Does anyone think Boozer is better at this moment then JSmith? I am not sure-Smith seems better, but his dumb plays always bring him down. But, Boozer is a choker in the playoffs the last few years, so not sure which is worse

And West seems really slow now-I don't watch Indy much but he has fallen off a bit.
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Re: PF's in the East

Postby giberish on Tue Jan 08, 2013 8:54 pm

pipfan wrote:Det-Monroe will be in a year or two, once Drummund starts, but not yet
Clev-Thompson looks ok but no
Milw-? they have a bunch of 4's but none are better
Indy-DWest was better, but not anymore

Miami-Haslem-no
Wash-Okafor starts at the 4 I believe, so no
Atl-Jsmith-maybe-this one is close
Orl-BBD-no
Char-who is their 4?

Bos-Bass-no
Phily-Young-no
tor-Bargs-no
NJ-Humphries-no
NY-Melo for now, so yes. Amare-no

So, is it possible that Boozer, one of the most hated on players in the league, is the best 4 in the East?


He's not even the best 4 on his team. Taj is better. Also:
Mil - Illysoava is better when he's makes some shots, as he has recently though obviously not at the beginning of the year
Clev - no
Det - no
Indy - West is clearly better at offense + defense

Bos - no
Philly - yes, Thad Young is surprisingly effective
Tor - no
NYK - yes, Melo
BK - no

Miami - LeBron mostly plays PF, so obviously yes
Wash - Nene, when healthy, is better (Okafor is a center). Nene's missed a lot of time though
Atlanta - Smith is far, far better
Orlando - no
Char - no

So 5 better PF's, with 2 more likely better with a return to health/form (Nene and Illyxova) + his own backup.
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Re: PF's in the East

Postby Mamba Venom on Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:30 pm

Doesn't LeBron play 4 a lot now w/ Bosh at the 5.

LeBron is the best PF when he plays that spot.
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Re: PF's in the East

Postby BIGGIEsmalls 23 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:46 pm

giberish wrote:
pipfan wrote:Det-Monroe will be in a year or two, once Drummund starts, but not yet
Clev-Thompson looks ok but no
Milw-? they have a bunch of 4's but none are better
Indy-DWest was better, but not anymore

Miami-Haslem-no
Wash-Okafor starts at the 4 I believe, so no
Atl-Jsmith-maybe-this one is close
Orl-BBD-no
Char-who is their 4?

Bos-Bass-no
Phily-Young-no
tor-Bargs-no
NJ-Humphries-no
NY-Melo for now, so yes. Amare-no

So, is it possible that Boozer, one of the most hated on players in the league, is the best 4 in the East?


He's not even the best 4 on his team. Taj is better. Also:
Mil - Illysoava is better when he's makes some shots, as he has recently though obviously not at the beginning of the year
Clev - no
Det - no
Indy - West is clearly better at offense + defense

Bos - no
Philly - yes, Thad Young is surprisingly effective
Tor - no
NYK - yes, Melo
BK - no

Miami - LeBron mostly plays PF, so obviously yes
Wash - Nene, when healthy, is better (Okafor is a center). Nene's missed a lot of time though
Atlanta - Smith is far, far better
Orlando - no
Char - no

So 5 better PF's, with 2 more likely better with a return to health/form (Nene and Illyxova) + his own backup.

Th OP is talking about just this season's body of work.
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Re: PF's in the East

Postby bullsnewdynasty on Tue Jan 08, 2013 9:59 pm

I am a Taj homer and even I can admit he is not better than Boozer this year. Taj has been just as inconsistent, if not more so.
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