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Post#31 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 10:01 pm by NYK_89

Ctownbulls wrote:
NYK_89 wrote:Josh smith is SIGNIFICANTLY better, Id also take Amar'e in a heartbeat over him.. Just because he isnt worth 22 million does not make an overpaid 14m player better then him, also id take DWest as well now that i think about it.


Josh Smith yes.
Al Horford yes.
KG yes.
Bosh yes.

Amare? No. I mean I can admit, Boozer sucks. Amare is worse. They are equally as terrible on defense. Maybe we can call them even on rebounding but who would you trust more to score a basket in isolation or on the pick and roll? The answer is Boozer, especially considering we don't know what Amare is anymore.

What? there is absolutely no basis for that, Boozer for one is clearly the better rebounder but even in the season that Amar'e had last season where he played through injury his offensive numbers are pretty clearly superior to Boozers... Also add in he did not have his jumpshot that was so good the year before last year and he looks to be a much better offensive player when healthy then boozer has any chance to be
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Post#32 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 10:03 pm by ComboGuardCity

You either include Lebron and Melo or KG and Bosh.
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Post#33 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 10:56 pm by DikembeFor3

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Post#34 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 11:07 pm by pacers33granger

Boozer gets a lot of hate (mostly rightfully so) because of his contract and what the Bulls could have had that summer with the free agent crop. I haven't watched much of the Bulls this year, but he seems to be back to being relatively consistent, though not 20-10 anymore, but he is one of the primary scorers on the 5th(?) best team in the East that's missing it's star.

Even contracts aside I'd still take David West. He's been an incredible leader, makes clutch plays, and is a very good defender against most post players. Boozer is still meh at best on defense and both are on the wrong side of 30.
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Post#35 Re: PF's in the East
Tue Jan 8, 2013 11:54 pm by Guzman_9

ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:
Guzman_9 wrote:hahahaha West is better than Boozer.


Not a chance


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Post#36 Re: PF's in the East
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:00 am by Ctownbulls

siydee wrote:
Ctownbulls wrote:
NYK_89 wrote:Josh smith is SIGNIFICANTLY better, Id also take Amar'e in a heartbeat over him.. Just because he isnt worth 22 million does not make an overpaid 14m player better then him, also id take DWest as well now that i think about it.


Josh Smith yes.
Al Horford yes.
KG yes.
Bosh yes.

Amare? No. I mean I can admit, Boozer sucks. Amare is worse. They are equally as terrible on defense. Maybe we can call them even on rebounding but who would you trust more to score a basket in isolation or on the pick and roll? The answer is Boozer, especially considering we don't know what Amare is anymore.


really? booz drives me nuts, but you just said amare is even with boozer in rebounding? absolutely not.


Boozer is better?

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He doesn't fit this team well, we need to trade him away asap.
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Post#37 Re: PF's in the East
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:17 am by Blkbrd671

Guzman_9 wrote:
ChiCitySPORTS#1 wrote:hahahaha West is better than Boozer.


Not a chance


Way better than booz
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Post#38 Re: PF's in the East
Wed Jan 9, 2013 12:39 am by dangermouse

Nene plays 4 for the Wizards. When 100% healthy, I'd pick Nene over Boozer any old day.
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I think we make the playoffs, no lower than 6th seed.
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Post#39 Re: PF's in the East
Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:34 am by Tetlak

West is probably better than Boozer. Boozer hadnt been scoring well until very recently.

And Boozer is a better rebounder than Amare. How is that up for discussion?
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Post#40 Re: PF's in the East
Wed Jan 9, 2013 1:55 am by dolphinatik

i was thinking this the other day. By Boozers current play so far this year he is the most deserving Allstar PF. That is on his play this year so far. Do I think he is the best? HELL NO. But he sure is playing like it.
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Post#41 Re: PF's in the East
Wed Jan 9, 2013 2:11 am by Nuntius

Well, I can't talk about the whole of East but I can talk about my team's starting PF, David West. And here's the head-to-head between the two players this season.

David West: 16.8 PPG, 7.9 RPG, 2.7 APG, 0.9 BPG, 0.7 SPG. He's shooting 47.5% from the field and averages 1.9 turnovers per game. He also plays 33.4 MPG.

Carlos Boozer: 15.2 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 2.0 APG, 0.5 BPG, 0.8 SPG. He's shooting 48.1% from the field and averages 1.9 turnovers per game. He also plays 30.3 MPG.

West scores better, Boozer rebounds better. West has an upper hand in assists and Boozer has a slight advantage in steals. West also has an advantage in blocks. Boozer is shooting a bit better and they are even in turnovers.

So, it's mostly a wash. You can say that Indy needs West more due to his scoring (especially in the 4th quarter as he has come up big for the Pacers in several end-game situations) and Chicago needs Boozer more for his rebounding.

Production-wise, it's hard to pinpoint who is the better player between the two.

If you include contracts in the equation then West gets the nod but I think that this is not what the OP asked.
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Post#42 Re: PF's in the East
Wed Jan 9, 2013 2:25 am by Spintown

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Post#43 Re: PF's in the East
Wed Jan 9, 2013 3:04 am by jl342323

Nuntius wrote:Well, I can't talk about the whole of East but I can talk about my team's starting PF, David West. And here's the head-to-head between the two players this season.

David West: 16.8 PPG, 7.9 RPG, 2.7 APG, 0.9 BPG, 0.7 SPG. He's shooting 47.5% from the field and averages 1.9 turnovers per game. He also plays 33.4 MPG.

Carlos Boozer: 15.2 PPG, 9.6 RPG, 2.0 APG, 0.5 BPG, 0.8 SPG. He's shooting 48.1% from the field and averages 1.9 turnovers per game. He also plays 30.3 MPG.

West scores better, Boozer rebounds better. West has an upper hand in assists and Boozer has a slight advantage in steals. West also has an advantage in blocks. Boozer is shooting a bit better and they are even in turnovers.

So, it's mostly a wash. You can say that Indy needs West more due to his scoring (especially in the 4th quarter as he has come up big for the Pacers in several end-game situations) and Chicago needs Boozer more for his rebounding.

Production-wise, it's hard to pinpoint who is the better player between the two.

If you include contracts in the equation then West gets the nod but I think that this is not what the OP asked.


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boozer is averaging 18 and 11.4
west is averaging 18.1 and 8.5

west got off to a nice start, but his play has fallen off since.

boozer was terrible to start the season, but he is starting to play with confidence and his numbers show it.

last 5 games, david west is averaging 11 and 8.4 while shooting 32% from the field taking 11.8 fgas per game. he is getting to the line 4 times a game and shooting respectable 80% from the line. he has played 31.2 minutes per game in this stretch.

boozer in his last 5 games is really starting to get it going. he is averaging 23.2 and 12 shooting 53 % from field taking 17 fgas per game. he is getting to the line 7 times per game and shooting 74% from the line.

i believe boozer will end up with better numbers by the end of the season if they both stay healthy.
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Post#44 Re: PF's in the East
Wed Jan 9, 2013 3:14 am by Mr. Crowley

Better than him?

Melo
Josh Smith
Thaddeus Young
David West
Nene
And Chicago own Taj Gibson
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Post#45 Re: PF's in the East
Wed Jan 9, 2013 3:15 am by NickLidstrom

It's crazy to me that people are still obsessed with the traditional positions. When you're claiming Chris Bosh is a "center," you know the term has lost all meaning.
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Post#46 Re: PF's in the East
Wed Jan 9, 2013 3:28 am by EscapoTHB

A better question would be is Chris bosh the best center in the east? Him or kg right?

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Post#47 Re: PF's in the East
Wed Jan 9, 2013 3:44 am by Heats_Finest

If you're talking about your traditional power forwards or hybrid, he's not even close.

Horford, Smith, Bosh, Garnett, West, Lebron, Melo, T.Thompson, T.Young, G Monroe are all guys I'd take before Boozer, not even mentioning his contract.
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Post#48 Re: PF's in the East
Wed Jan 9, 2013 5:07 am by Nuntius

jl342323 wrote:per 36

boozer is averaging 18 and 11.4
west is averaging 18.1 and 8.5

west got off to a nice start, but his play has fallen off since.

boozer was terrible to start the season, but he is starting to play with confidence and his numbers show it.

last 5 games, david west is averaging 11 and 8.4 while shooting 32% from the field taking 11.8 fgas per game. he is getting to the line 4 times a game and shooting respectable 80% from the line. he has played 31.2 minutes per game in this stretch.

boozer in his last 5 games is really starting to get it going. he is averaging 23.2 and 12 shooting 53 % from field taking 17 fgas per game. he is getting to the line 7 times per game and shooting 74% from the line.

i believe boozer will end up with better numbers by the end of the season if they both stay healthy.


West is indeed in a slump at the moment. We went to him quite heavy in the start of the season while Paul George was not filling it up yeah.

Since Granger is likely to return earlier than Rose I can see Boozer ending up with better numbers by the end of the season.

By the way, does anyone know why Boozer only plays 30 minutes per game?
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Post#49 Re: PF's in the East
Wed Jan 9, 2013 5:11 am by KingCuban

Nuntius wrote:West is indeed in a slump at the moment. We went to him quite heavy in the start of the season while Paul George was not filling it up yeah.

Since Granger is likely to return earlier than Rose I can see Boozer ending up with better numbers by the end of the season.

By the way, does anyone know why Boozer only plays 30 minutes per game?


Plays zero defense, and if his jumper aint on, its Taj time.

Thankfully, he has been really good in the new year.
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Post#50 Re: PF's in the East
Wed Jan 9, 2013 5:48 am by kman1023

I'd take Amar'e over Boozer any day.

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