TheToothFairy wrote:Wait. I already though Brooklyn were already contenders?
So.. uh.. Are the Nets are trying to absorb every awful contract in the league. Rudy will make 19mil in 2 years. Why would you do this to yourself?
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TheToothFairy wrote:Wait. I already though Brooklyn were already contenders?
DusterBuster wrote:nickforthreee wrote:can score at will, put the team on his back, come up big in clutch moments, completely take over a game. parsons is a role player. a good one yes, but a role player.
Besides that one Toronto game, what other "clutch moments" has Rudy ever had?
I saw him during a tight game with the Blazers last week and he completely disappeared when the game was close late. He also never "took the game over".
I don't know what player you're watching, but he's not the Rudy Gay I've ever seen.
nickforthreee wrote:im not sure if it would make them a contender but i think they would definitely be an elite team with him. they need a go to scorer and joe johnson just aint cuttin it.
PG: D-Will
SG: JJ
SF: Rudy
PF: Hump
C: Lopez
thats a lineup that can make some noise. hump should get traded for someone better tho but he can rebound and the other 4 are solid even tho dwill isnt great this year
Mk0 wrote:TheToothFairy wrote:Wait. I already though Brooklyn were already contenders?
So.. uh.. Are the Nets are trying to absorb every awful contract in the league. Rudy will make 19mil in 2 years. Why would you do this to yourself?
Doctor MJ wrote:nickforthreee wrote:im not sure if it would make them a contender but i think they would definitely be an elite team with him. they need a go to scorer and joe johnson just aint cuttin it.
PG: D-Will
SG: JJ
SF: Rudy
PF: Hump
C: Lopez
thats a lineup that can make some noise. hump should get traded for someone better tho but he can rebound and the other 4 are solid even tho dwill isnt great this year
Gay's overrated in basically the exact same way Johnson was. This would be making almost exactly the same mistake over again.
DusterBuster wrote:Why is Rudy Gay so polarizing? People either insanely overrate him or think he's pure trash.
The truth is right in the middle. He's a solid player, but he's not good enough to change a teams fortunes. He's a ideal 3rd option on a team with 2 superstars. That's not trash, but he's not a star either.
nickforthreee wrote:Darain wrote:How about the other games where he shoots his team out of games by not passing it to Randolph?
im not a grizz fan and really dont watch them much but ive never seen rudy gay as a ballhog. he has a bad shot selection sometimes but to say that he is a terrible player and that roleplayers are better than him is laughable.
Marvin Martian wrote:
He took over the end of the DEN game a couple weeks back by scoring a couple of critical buckets when the game was close. The assertion that Parsons is better than Gay is ridiculous. Who cares how much he is getting paid? So many players are getting max contracts these days i can't see how anyone can make an underlying assumption that max contract = max performance.
Back on topic Gay is around 6-9 so he should be able to play the 4 and have a semi melo-like impact on the floor.
phx#7 wrote:The people who think he's trash only feel that way because of his contract. If he were making half of what he is I think most people would think well of him. However with him making 18mil per and producing the way he is I certainly view him as a net negative.
Doctor MJ wrote:Gay's overrated in basically the exact same way Johnson was. This would be making almost exactly the same mistake over again.
PetroNet wrote:im not sure joe johnson was a mistake. id rather have:
Joe Johnson, and be over the cap for the next 4 years.
then
Gaines, Morrow, Petro, late first rounder and be over the cap for the next 4 years.
nickforthreee wrote:Darain wrote:nickforthreee wrote:
yup hes terrible youre right. you are another one of those advanced stats guys who think chandler parsons is better than rudy gay.
Why Does Rudy gay do better than Chandler Parsons, seriosuly
can score at will, put the team on his back, come up big in clutch moments, completely take over a game. parsons is a role player. a good one yes, but a role player.
While Parsons I don't see any real argument for being better, Batum is a different story. I could see one being made here because Batum I feel is a little better putting the ball on the floor and getting to the basket, and also as a defender (acknowledging that he has been overrated on defense). Rudy Gay's scoring ability has always been slightly overrated. He's been one of those fake 20 PPG scorers that can give you 20 PPG in about 40 minutes, but per 36 minutes, he's been an 18 PPG guy for 5 seasons now on .527 TS%. He rebounds well, but the rest of his all-round game isn't impressive. Batum has been a 16 PPG scorer per 36 minutes the past two seasons on .574 TS%, and this season he's at 15-5-4 per 36 and making 2.4/6.5 three's and only gets to the line a little less.mid-post wrote:phx#7 wrote:The people who think he's trash only feel that way because of his contract. If he were making half of what he is I think most people would think well of him. However with him making 18mil per and producing the way he is I certainly view him as a net negative.
I think that's fair, but it also needs to be pointed out that he's in a career low shooting slump right now. So you have people piling on trying to claim Nicolas Batum is better. I doubt he ever lives up to the contract, but it only has a couple more years on it, so as a Grizz fan I'm willing to not be too angry about it. I sort of think of it as small market club loyalty tax to get him to stick around after his contract is up. As messed up as it is, small markets do have to overpay to retain popular players, and the decision to sign him was as much a marketing thing for the city as it was for basketball reasons. So if he just bounces after getting a fair offer at the end of this contract, I'll be pissed.Doctor MJ wrote:Gay's overrated in basically the exact same way Johnson was. This would be making almost exactly the same mistake over again.
This I agree with. But Johnson's contract is still worse.
DusterBuster wrote:Why is Rudy Gay so polarizing? People either insanely overrate him or think he's pure trash.
The truth is right in the middle. He's a solid player, but he's not good enough to change a teams fortunes. He's a ideal 3rd option on a team with 2 superstars. That's not trash, but he's not a star either.
Rich Rane wrote:I think we're all missing the point here. vc4pres needs to stop watching games.